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  1. Well, the days are getting shorter and I have a minimum 1hr 20min commute
    home each day.

    I have the obligatory crappy flashy be seen light, but I am looking for
    something a whole lot brighter.

    Torpedo 7 have a special on a 24w dual system with lead battery (Nightpro
    Expert) for $99.
    http://www.torpedo7.com.au/products/NPLIHNNEX

    Does anyone have experience with lights of this kind?

    I see there are several types around but I do not really understand the
    difference between the various set ups around.

    Weight does not matter much to me, and these bottle batteries won't be a
    problem when I manage to get another bottle cage on.

    I think cheap is good, but I worry when things like this are too cheap. Any
    horror stories or recommendations?

    Thanks

    BtC

  2. Bill the Cat wrote:

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:

    Torpedo 7 have a special on a 24w dual system with lead battery (Nightpro
    Expert) for $99.
    http://www.torpedo7.com.au/products/NPLIHNNEX

    Does anyone have experience with lights of this kind?

    Not I... although I'm in a very similar situation to you and I have been
    looking at exactly the same light on special and wondering exactly the
    same thing.

    $99 is a lot less than the basic Ay-Up 2008 roadie kit @ $249...

    Wanna buy one and let me know what the tordedo light is like? ;-)

    G-S

  3. Bill the Cat said:

    Well, the days are getting shorter and I have a minimum 1hr 20min commute
    home each day.

    I have the obligatory crappy flashy be seen light, but I am looking for
    something a whole lot brighter.

    Torpedo 7 have a special on a 24w dual system with lead battery (Nightpro
    Expert) for $99.
    http://www.torpedo7.com.au/products/NPLIHNNEX

    Does anyone have experience with lights of this kind?

    I see there are several types around but I do not really understand the
    difference between the various set ups around.

    Weight does not matter much to me, and these bottle batteries won't be a
    problem when I manage to get another bottle cage on.

    I think cheap is good, but I worry when things like this are too cheap. Any
    horror stories or recommendations?

    Thanks

    BtC

    The price should tell you something - like there finished and no one
    wants them.

    I would consider the battery replacement, charge time, etc. before
    rushing out and buying one. Your going to charge that up once a day at
    1.3hrs each day commute time.

    Look for a good LED lamp with small rechargeable, easy replaceable,
    safe, keep in the pocket, batteries. They are available.

    LED lamps are still cheaper than the $99, what's more just as efficient.

    http://www.torpedo7.com.au/division/bike/menu/04-LI/title/Lighting

  4. In aus.bicycle on Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:51:10 +1000

    Rob. said:


    The price should tell you something - like there finished and no one
    wants them.

    Or you can spend more - $140 for a hub dynamo and $65 for a light -
    and never have to manage batteries again.

    I have the more expensive option - SON and Lumotec - which lights up a
    twisty unlit bike path well enough to do 25kmh easily, as far as I
    know the Shimano and E6 should do as well.

    I just like the Lumotec Senso, because that really is a no-brains
    light. It turns itself on when the surrounding area is dark enough to
    need lights.

    Zebee

  5. Lots of discussion here on Fenix headlights. I'll be giving one a go for
    this winter.

    http://forums.transitions.org.au/index.php?showtopic=27676&hl=fenix

    DaveB

  6. G-S said:

    Bill the Cat wrote:

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:

    Torpedo 7 have a special on a 24w dual system with lead battery (Nightpro
    Expert) for $99.
    http://www.torpedo7.com.au/products/NPLIHNNEX

    Quoted message said:

    Does anyone have experience with lights of this kind?

    Not I... although I'm in a very similar situation to you and I have been
    looking at exactly the same light on special and wondering exactly the
    same thing.

    $99 is a lot less than the basic Ay-Up 2008 roadie kit @ $249...

    Wanna buy one and let me know what the tordedo light is like? ;-)

    G-S

    I ordered one on Monday, I'll let you know when I try it out after it
    arrives. I bought a 1W LED light from T7 a while back and while it's
    quite bright, I consider it more of a be seen light, than a seeing
    light. I felt like I was easily going to crash into something while
    using it (though my terms of reference for night lighting are car and
    motorcycle quartz halogen lights so I might be slightly biased).

    The SLA battery it comes with will probably be heavy rubbish, but
    replacement NiMh 12V cordless drill batteries and chargers are so
    cheap I'm not really worried. There's always the R/C crowd if things
    get really desperate.

  7. Zebee Johnstone said:

    Or you can spend more - $140 for a hub dynamo and $65 for a light -
    and never have to manage batteries again.

    I have the more expensive option - SON and Lumotec - which lights up a
    twisty unlit bike path well enough to do 25kmh easily, as far as I
    know the Shimano and E6 should do as well.

    People have to watch hub abd other dynamos. Fine if you do 15km/h plus,
    but not so good ifyou are a slower rider.

    I'm still waiting for a reply from that last generator/solar bicycle
    light that features on ABC's New Product^h^h^h^h^hInventor.

  8. On 2008-04-09, [email hidden] (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:

    The SLA battery it comes with will probably be heavy rubbish, but
    replacement NiMh 12V cordless drill batteries and chargers are so
    cheap I'm not really worried.

    Er, cheap cordless drill rechargers are rubbish. I bought mine
    (complete with drill, naturally, which I still use by plugging into a
    12V supply) for $20, knowing it would be [censored], but I didn't even get
    to see how [censored] the battery was, because the charger had destroyed it
    within 3 months, as one day I missed the vital "disconnect after 3
    hours. No, you can't have a light to say it is already charged" step
    as I was busy at the time.

    <insert standard rant about wishing there was a step somewhere between
    $20 plastic rubbish and $600 good tools. In this case, $20.30 plastic
    rubbish with an extra LED and mosfet in the charging circuit would
    almost certainly be sufficient to render it worthwhile. <insert
    another rant about a $300 set of halogen cycling lights, where the
    idiot designer forgot to include a LED on the battery to say that 1)
    it is connected, and 2) whether or not it is charged. I am also not
    convinced that it is even a smart charger, which I didn't expect for
    $300. And of course there's no LED on the torch head either, so I
    don't know whether there is no light because the battery is flat, or
    because the bulb is blown, or because it is still too light outside to
    see the reflection off the road, and that yes indeed, the bulb is
    still glowing>>

    --
    TimC
    Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product.
    -- Ferenc Mantfeld

  9. In aus.bicycle on Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:57:22 +1000

    Terryc said:


    People have to watch hub abd other dynamos. Fine if you do 15km/h plus,
    but not so good ifyou are a slower rider.

    Dunno about the Shimano, but the SON will light up quite well at
    walking pace.

    I know, because I have accompanied walkers, and we were using my light
    to see by.

    Zebee

  10. Zebee Johnstone said:


    Dunno about the Shimano, but the SON will light up quite well at
    walking pace.

    Standard SON light?
    Is it a LED?

  11. "Bill the Cat" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Torpedo 7 have a special on a 24w dual system with lead battery
    (Nightpro Expert) for $99.
    http://www.torpedo7.com.au/products/NPLIHNNEX

    Does anyone have experience with lights of this kind?

    I bought what looks like the same light from T7 a year or two ago (I think
    just the battery case is different). Having previously used a fairly cheap
    halogen CatEye light (that looks like an electric shaver) I was very
    impressed with the performance and the quality seems good. It's handled a
    lot of rough treatment (like a shelf load of decorating equipment falling
    on it in the shed). I've not used anything more expensive, so I can't say
    how it performs relative to higher end lights.

    --
    Graeme

  12. TimC said:

    lemmiwinkswrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The SLA battery it comes with will probably be heavy rubbish, but
    replacement NiMh 12V cordless drill batteries and chargers are so
    cheap I'm not really worried.

    Quoted message said:

    Er, cheap cordless drill rechargers are rubbish. I bought mine
    (complete with drill, naturally, which I still use by plugging into a
    12V supply) for $20, knowing it would be [censored], but I didn't even get
    to see how [censored] the battery was, because the charger had destroyed it
    within 3 months, as one day I missed the vital "disconnect after 3
    hours. No, you can't have a light to say it is already charged" step
    as I was busy at the time.

    <insert standard rant about wishing there was a step somewhere between
    $20 plastic rubbish and $600 good tools.

    Unfortunately there really isn't. I've got an older 12V Hilti and a new 15V
    one. The older one was left to me by my son when he went interstate 13 years
    ago. The batteries died at 10 years and I got a quote for a new pair from
    Hilti, and another quote from my battery wholesaler to rebuild with the best
    batteries available in that form.

    Hilti wanted $180, my wholesaler $95 to rebuild the two battery packs.

    The Sub-$300 drills all have dead batteries in a year, two at the most.

    The 15V Hilti I bought last year, comes with two batteries and a Smart
    charger for around $800 plus GST. It just feels right when you pick it up,
    and it's a joy to use. I expect to have it for a very long time. And no,
    they're not in Bunnings.

    Cheers
    Theo

  13. On Apr 10, 11:08 am, TimC <[email hidden]-

    astro.swin.edu.au said:

    On 2008-04-09, [email hidden] (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:

    The SLA battery it comes with will probably be heavy rubbish, but
    replacement NiMh 12V cordless drill batteries and chargers are so
    cheap I'm not really worried.

    Er, cheap cordless drill rechargers are rubbish. I bought mine
    (complete with drill, naturally, which I still use by plugging into a
    12V supply) for $20, knowing it would be [censored], but I didn't even get
    to see how [censored] the battery was, because the charger had destroyed it
    within 3 months, as one day I missed the vital "disconnect after 3
    hours. No, you can't have a light to say it is already charged" step
    as I was busy at the time.

    There is that to bear in mind of course. There are generic RC
    chargers available that will terminate on dT/dt and they're reasonably
    affordable. If you were really clever, you could buy one of these
    http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/bq2002d.html and make your
    own, but one of these http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/bq2002.html
    would be even better. I'm nowhere near that clever so I'd just buy
    something, or be my usual tight [censored] self and just keep an eye on the
    clock while using a cheap charger (or even buy a mains timer).

  14. lemmiwinks said:

    ... If you were really clever, you could buy one of thesehttp://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/bq2002d.htmland make your
    own, but one of thesehttp://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/bq2002.html
    would be even better.

    Poor Amanda! You're going to talk her ear off at the Unaugural again
    this year, aren't you?

    BTH

  15. BT Humble said:
    lemmiwinks said:

    ... If you were really clever, you could buy one of thesehttp://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/bq2002d.htmlandmake your
    own, but one of thesehttp://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/bq2002.html
    would be even better.

    Poor Amanda! You're going to talk her ear off at the Unaugural again
    this year, aren't you?

    BTH

    Hell no! I'll be using that SLA until it dies, then when it finally
    gives up I'll try and breathe some life into it for a while. No, I'd
    say it'll be a long time before I need to worry about replacing the
    battery in that light.

  16. In aus.bicycle on Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:53:14 +1000

    Terryc said:
    Zebee Johnstone said:


    Dunno about the Shimano, but the SON will light up quite well at
    walking pace.

    Standard SON light?
    Is it a LED?

    The SON is the hub dynamo, I don't think they make lights. The light
    is an LED Lumotec Senso. from memory the halogen lumotec wasn't quite
    as good.

    I haven't used an E6 - always had Lumotecs - so can't say how that
    would perform but I doubt there'd be much of a difference.

    Zebee

  17. On Apr 10, 11:08 am, TimC <[email hidden]-

    astro.swin.edu.au said:

    On 2008-04-09, [email hidden] (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:

    The SLA battery it comes with will probably be heavy rubbish, but
    replacement NiMh 12V cordless drill batteries and chargers are so
    cheap I'm not really worried.

    Er, cheap cordless drill rechargers are rubbish. I bought mine
    (complete with drill, naturally, which I still use by plugging into a
    12V supply) for $20, knowing it would be [censored], but I didn't even get
    to see how [censored] the battery was, because the charger had destroyed it
    within 3 months, as one day I missed the vital "disconnect after 3
    hours. No, you can't have a light to say it is already charged" step
    as I was busy at the time.

    Use a 4 hour count down timer. HPM makes one for <$10. Also good for
    other things that should not be left on.

    Damien

  18. Bill the Cat said:

    Well, the days are getting shorter and I have a minimum 1hr 20min commute
    home each day.

    I have the obligatory crappy flashy be seen light, but I am looking for
    something a whole lot brighter.

    Torpedo 7 have a special on a 24w dual system with lead battery (Nightpro
    Expert) for $99.
    http://www.torpedo7.com.au/products/NPLIHNNEX

    Does anyone have experience with lights of this kind?

    Save yourself all the grief over all this battery stuff - recharging,
    burning out batteries, smart chargers, yada, yada.....

    I just fitted this setup on the commuter, very similar to what I've used on
    the tourer for several years:

    http://www.velo-orange.com/bumus6ge.html - you could get the 6 instead of
    S6 (cheaper)
    http://www.dotbike.com/ProductsP3037.aspx?A=1&TRACK=DPL - 1W led, very
    bright
    http://www.velo-orange.com/zinkensbracket.html - solid bracket, and that
    shows how the whole setup mounts

    It has come out to $311 delivered to my door, not real cheap, but the dyno
    is *always there*, and the 1W led has a service life of 100,000 hours. At my
    usage rate, I think I'll be passing it on to my son as a bequest!!

    --
    Cheers
    Peter

    ~~~ ~ _@
    ~~ ~ _- \,
    ~~ (*)/ (*)

  19. Bill the Cat said:

    Well, the days are getting shorter and I have a minimum 1hr 20min commute
    home each day.

    I have the obligatory crappy flashy be seen light, but I am looking for
    something a whole lot brighter.

    Torpedo 7 have a special on a 24w dual system with lead battery (Nightpro
    Expert) for $99.http://www.torpedo7.com.au/products/NPLIHNNEX

    Does anyone have experience with lights of this kind?

    I see there are several types around but I do not really understand the
    difference between the various set ups around.

    Weight does not matter much to me, and these bottle batteries won't be a
    problem when I manage to get another bottle cage on.

    I think cheap is good, but I worry when things like this are too cheap. Any
    horror stories or recommendations?

    I've had a set of halogens (10W + 5W) from Torpedo7 for a couple of
    years now, and they're still going fine. They were a similar price to
    the current Torpedo7 offer, in fact I've been thinking about buying
    these new ones.

    Torpedo7 regularly runs really great specials, it isn't always just
    cheap and nasty stuff, this is a high volume retailer who works on low
    margins. I've on the whole been very pleased with my past Torpedo7
    purchases, and the one time I took advantage of their returns policy
    that all worked out fine for me as well, though they didn't at the
    time mention that the store credit they give on returned items has a
    finite lifetime.

    If you want halogens for your bike, I'd say this is a pretty good
    deal. In a year or two if the battery goes you'll be able to replace
    it with a high powered LED system, which should be cheaper by then.
    (And that is the identical logic to what I used a couple of years ago
    when I got mine. LED systems have gotten a lot cheaper since then,
    but since my lights still work fine I'm able to keep watching prices
    continue to fall.

    Travis

  20. "Terryc" wrote
    :

    Quoted message said:

    People have to watch hub abd other dynamos. Fine if you do 15km/h plus,
    but not so good ifyou are a slower rider.

    B&M Dymotec S6 will light the road really well at walking speed! It has a
    'plateuu' ouput curve. And if you're worried about blowing bulbs at speed,
    it has voltage protection built into the dynamo. I have found this dynamo
    and their 1W led light to be excellent for visibilty (seeing the road) even
    on black country roads.

    --
    Cheers
    Peter

    ~~~ ~ _@
    ~~ ~ _- \,
    ~~ (*)/ (*)

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