The ludicrous nature of the trolls' unconditional support of speed cameras, and the extent of their wish to make driving unpleasant, is revealed by their 100% advocacy of the reductions such as those above which are sweeping the country. Whenever anyone gets caught speeding, no matter what the limit, the trolls are the first to say that it was "perfectly fair" and the motorist was "endangering lives". Yet no-one who knows anything about driving could possibly really believe that reductions like the above are necessary from a road safety point of view. No, the aim here is quite clearly to make motorists' lives a constant misery simply for choosing to drive, by forcing them to travel ridiculously slowly, and punishing those who dare to drive at a more realistic speed. As a result, road users are dying because of this ridiculous overemphasis of speed limits which these days often have no real-world relevance whatsoever.
You've heard of killer bees; now you've also heard of killer trolls. Self-righteous, callous [censored]. How many more people will die before they realise that they can't bully drivers out of their cars?
The ludicrous nature of the trolls' unconditional support of speed cameras, and the extent of their wish to make driving unpleasant, is revealed by their 100% advocacy of the reductions such as those above which are sweeping the country. Whenever anyone gets caught speeding, no matter what the limit, the trolls are the first to say that it was "perfectly fair" and the motorist was "endangering lives". Yet no-one who knows anything about driving could possibly really believe that reductions like the above are necessary from a road safety point of view. No, the aim here is quite clearly to make motorists' lives a constant misery simply for choosing to drive, by forcing them to travel ridiculously slowly, and punishing those who dare to drive at a more realistic speed. As a result, road users are dying because of this ridiculous overemphasis of speed limits which these days often have no real-world relevance whatsoever.
You've heard of killer bees; now you've also heard of killer trolls. Self-righteous, callous [censored]. How many more people will die before they realise that they can't bully drivers out of their cars?
lol!
I'm pretty sure they will put the road outside my house down to 20 mph. I hope they give it cameras too.
You've heard of killer bees; now you've also heard of killer trolls. Self-righteous, callous [censored]. How many more people will die before they realise that they can't bully drivers out of their cars?
On 5 Apr, 10:22, Nuxx Bar <[email hidden]> wrote: .. Whenever anyone gets caught speeding,
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no matter what the limit, the trolls are the first to say that it was "perfectly fair"
You break the law, you get caught, sounds fair.
and punishing those who dare to drive at a
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more realistic speed.
You break the law, you get punished. Parliament decides what is reasonable on the collective behalf, individuals cannot override that - its called constitutional democracy.
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As a result, road users are dying because of this ridiculous overemphasis of speed limits
I don't believe anyone has ever died of a low speed limit.
On 5 Apr, 10:22, Nuxx Bar <[email hidden]> wrote: . Whenever anyone gets caught speeding,
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no matter what the limit, the trolls are the first to say that it was "perfectly fair"
You break the law, you get caught, sounds fair.
and punishing those who dare to drive at a
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more realistic speed.
You break the law, you get punished. Parliament decides what is reasonable on the collective behalf, individuals cannot override that - its called constitutional democracy.
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As a result, road users are dying because of this ridiculous overemphasis of speed limits
I don't believe anyone has ever died of a low speed limit.
I suspect you are right, however, I think driver frustration at driving at unnecessary slow speeds might mean that they drive too fast elsewhere. I think the message is that we are being encouraged not to think. The limit is X therefore it is safe to drive at X. If limits were totally abolished then everyone would have to think what speed is safe for this road.
I think that there are many people who are of the mindset that their cars 'reflect' them. it is a statement of 'who I am' Look at my top of the range suppa doopa fast car - and then by implication I'm better than you are because you ride a bicycle. How many times have you had that sneering, smug [censored] look across on a wet day at the traffic lights and give you a look that says 'loser'. I look back with a chuckle - road fund license = nil, petrol tax + VAT = nil, annual MOT = nil, parking fees = nil, speed/parking fines = nil, repair and maintenance = nil (well almost -do own repairs) etc. but the biggest chuckle is reserved for the fact that at 65 by blood pressure is 120/69 and my pulse rate is 56 resting. Nothing unique I dare say for life long cyclists - perhaps not for life long motorists.
So let us have some sympathy for these people, they spend loads of cash to have an early heart attack.
The ludicrous nature of the trolls' unconditional support of speed cameras, and the extent of their wish to make driving unpleasant, is revealed by their 100% advocacy of the reductions such as those above which are sweeping the country. Whenever anyone gets caught speeding, no matter what the limit, the trolls are the first to say that it was "perfectly fair" and the motorist was "endangering lives". Yet no-one who knows anything about driving could possibly really believe that reductions like the above are necessary from a road safety point of view. No, the aim here is quite clearly to make motorists' lives a constant misery simply for choosing to drive, by forcing them to travel ridiculously slowly, and punishing those who dare to drive at a more realistic speed. As a result, road users are dying because of this ridiculous overemphasis of speed limits which these days often have no real-world relevance whatsoever.
You've heard of killer bees; now you've also heard of killer trolls. Self-righteous, callous [censored]. How many more people will die before they realise that they can't bully drivers out of their cars?
traffic flow my froffing fellow, it's about traffic flow.
On 5 Apr, 10:22, Nuxx Bar <[email hidden]> wrote: . Whenever anyone gets caught speeding,
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no matter what the limit, the trolls are the first to say that it was "perfectly fair"
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You break the law, you get caught, sounds fair.
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and punishing those who dare to drive at a
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more realistic speed.
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You break the law, you get punished. Parliament decides what is reasonable on the collective behalf, individuals cannot override that - its called constitutional democracy.
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As a result, road users are dying because of this ridiculous overemphasis of speed limits
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I don't believe anyone has ever died of a low speed limit.
I suspect you are right, however, I think driver frustration at driving at unnecessary slow speeds might mean that they drive too fast elsewhere. I think the message is that we are being encouraged not to think. The limit is X therefore it is safe to drive at X.
Every competent driver must know that is not the case - there are plenty of situations where the signposted limit (meant to be the limit under good conditions) may be a lot higher than the speed which is safe or sometimes even possible.
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If limits were totally abolished then everyone would have to think what speed is safe for this road.
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Jon said:
On 5 Apr, 10:22, Nuxx Bar <[email hidden]> wrote: . Whenever anyone gets caught speeding,
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no matter what the limit, the trolls are the first to say that it was "perfectly fair"
You break the law, you get caught, sounds fair.
and punishing those who dare to drive at a
Quoted message said:
more realistic speed.
You break the law, you get punished. Parliament decides what is reasonable on the collective behalf, individuals cannot override that - its called constitutional democracy.
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As a result, road users are dying because of this ridiculous overemphasis of speed limits
I don't believe anyone has ever died of a low speed limit.
I suspect you are right, however, I think driver frustration at driving at unnecessary slow speeds might mean that they drive too fast elsewhere. I think the message is that we are being encouraged not to think. The limit is X therefore it is safe to drive at X. If limits were totally abolished then everyone would have to think what speed is safe for this road.
ME
I think that this is a fallacy. If the speed limit on a road is 60, and yet due to conditions it really should only be safe to drive at 45, for example, you are arguing that by having a 60 speed limit then people will automatically think it is safe to drive at 60. If you scrapped the speed limit, there may well be a minority of drivers who suddenly realise that it is only safe to do 45, but I suspect these would be the ones that were only doing 45 in the first place. To assume that scrapping speed limits would make the un-thinking drivers suddenly become aware of safe speeds is more than a little naive.
BTW, as well as being a cyclist, I have a sales job that requires me to drive more than 30,000 per year, so I am more than aware of the demands and behaviour of a busy motorist.
I think that fairly soon one of the London boroughs will declare a 20mph speed limit on all its roads. Other boroughs will follow and city cycling will become an even more enjoyable experience.
