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    G
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    #1

    Sorry for the obscure subject but I didn't know what else to put. I've had (suffered from?)
    palpitations for 20+ years. They haven't got any worse, and haven't got any better. I'm 41, male,
    non-smoker, and do most of the normal healthy stuff. Not overweight either, and have had a check-up
    in the last couple of months. So, a typical bloke who has the occasional flutter (and I don't mean
    gambling!). I don't take drugs or other medication. Recently, when in bed, lying on my left side
    with my arm under my pillow (order: bed-arm-pillow-ear), I can hear a rapid 'beat'. It's about 4x
    faster than my pulse, but I can't attribute it to anything in the house (clock, dripping
    tap/fawcet). What is this? I know it's a longshot, but has anyone a suggestion? Ta.

    Report
  2. Bob Cardone
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    #2
    G said:

    Sorry for the obscure subject but I didn't know what else to put. I've had (suffered from?)
    palpitations for 20+ years. They haven't got any worse, and haven't got any better. I'm 41, male,
    non-smoker, and do most of the normal healthy stuff. Not overweight either, and have had a check-up
    in the last couple of months. So, a typical bloke who has the occasional flutter (and I don't mean
    gambling!). I don't take drugs or other medication. Recently, when in bed, lying on my left side
    with my arm under my pillow (order: bed-arm-pillow-ear), I can hear a rapid 'beat'. It's about 4x
    faster than my pulse, but I can't attribute it to anything in the house (clock, dripping
    tap/fawcet). What is this? I know it's a longshot, but has anyone a suggestion? Ta.

    See a doctor, and get a Holter Monitor and wear it for 24 hours. They will then be able to tell you
    what is going on. Sounds like it might be A-Fib.

    For more information on A-Fib go to www.afibbers.org.

    Bob

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  3. Graeme
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    #3

    "Bob Cardone" <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    G said:

    Sorry for the obscure subject but I didn't know what else to put. I've had (suffered from?)
    palpitations for 20+ years. They haven't got


    any

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    worse, and haven't got any better. I'm 41, male, non-smoker, and do most


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the normal healthy stuff. Not overweight either, and have had a check-up


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the last couple of months. So, a typical bloke who has the occasional flutter (and I don't mean
    gambling!). I don't take drugs or other medication. Recently, when in bed, lying on my left side
    with my arm under my pillow (order: bed-arm-pillow-ear), I can hear a rapid 'beat'. It's about 4x


    faster

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    than my pulse, but I can't attribute it to anything in the house (clock, dripping tap/fawcet).
    What is this? I know it's a longshot, but has anyone a suggestion? Ta.

    See a doctor, and get a Holter Monitor and wear it for 24 hours. They will then be able to tell
    you what is going on. Sounds like it might be A-Fib.

    For more information on A-Fib go to www.afibbers.org.

    Bob

    I had a 24-hour monitor a couple of years ago which just confirmed occasional ectopics. Can you not
    normally 'feel' A-Fib above your normal pulse? But I will take your advice on seeing a doc.

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  4. Dr. Andrew B. C
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    #4
    G said:

    Sorry for the obscure subject but I didn't know what else to put. I've had (suffered from?)
    palpitations for 20+ years. They haven't got any worse, and haven't got any better. I'm 41, male,
    non-smoker, and do most of the normal healthy stuff. Not overweight either, and have had a check-
    up in the last couple of months. So, a typical bloke who has the occasional flutter (and I don't
    mean gambling!). I don't take drugs or other medication. Recently, when in bed, lying on my left
    side with my arm under my pillow (order: bed-arm-pillow-ear), I can hear a rapid 'beat'. It's
    about 4x faster than my pulse, but I can't attribute it to anything in the house (clock, dripping
    tap/fawcet). What is this? I know it's a longshot, but has anyone a suggestion? Ta.

    Watch?

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

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  5. G
    Archived post
    #5

    "Bob Cardone" <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    G said:

    Sorry for the obscure subject but I didn't know what else to put. I've had (suffered from?)
    palpitations for 20+ years. They haven't got


    any

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    worse, and haven't got any better. I'm 41, male, non-smoker, and do most


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the normal healthy stuff. Not overweight either, and have had a check-up


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the last couple of months. So, a typical bloke who has the occasional flutter (and I don't mean
    gambling!). I don't take drugs or other medication. Recently, when in bed, lying on my left side
    with my arm under my pillow (order: bed-arm-pillow-ear), I can hear a rapid 'beat'. It's about 4x


    faster

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    than my pulse, but I can't attribute it to anything in the house (clock, dripping tap/fawcet).
    What is this? I know it's a longshot, but has anyone a suggestion? Ta.

    See a doctor, and get a Holter Monitor and wear it for 24 hours. They will then be able to tell
    you what is going on. Sounds like it might be A-Fib.

    For more information on A-Fib go to www.afibbers.org.

    Bob

    Thanks for the link Bob. I've had a good read of this site but cannot say that this really describes
    my symptoms. When I 'feel' this rapid beat (in my ear), my normal pulse (taken at the wrist) seems
    perfectly stable at about 60bpm. If you can have A-Fib conincident with normal heart operation, then
    it may be an answer to my situation. Any comments?

    Report
  6. G
    Archived post
    #6

    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    G said:

    Sorry for the obscure subject but I didn't know what else to put. I've had (suffered from?)
    palpitations for 20+ years. They haven't got


    any

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    worse, and haven't got any better. I'm 41, male, non-smoker, and do most


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the normal healthy stuff. Not overweight either, and have had a check-up


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the last couple of months. So, a typical bloke who has the occasional flutter (and I don't mean
    gambling!). I don't take drugs or other medication. Recently, when in bed, lying on my left
    side with my arm under my pillow (order: bed-arm-pillow-ear), I can hear a rapid 'beat'. It's
    about 4x


    faster

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    than my pulse, but I can't attribute it to anything in the house (clock, dripping tap/fawcet).
    What is this? I know it's a longshot, but has anyone a suggestion? Ta.

    Watch?

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    Well, obviously I'm hoping for a solution something like that. But I don't think my digital watch
    makes a tick! I will check out other watches, but I didn't think my hearing was that good.

    I'm also glad you didn't jump in and agree with A-Fib. Of course, maybe it is (with my history).
    Thanks for the suggestion.

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  7. Anonymous
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    #7

    "G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the link Bob. I've had a good read of this site but cannot say


    that this really describes my symptoms. When I 'feel' this rapid beat (in my ear), my normal pulse
    (taken at the wrist) seems perfectly stable at about 60bpm. If you can have A-Fib conincident with
    normal heart operation, then it may be an answer to my situation. Any comments?

    You originally said 4 times your heartrate that would be 240 times a min - 4 a second that would be
    very fast, like a machine gun. Are you sure it could not be more like 120 bpm?

    Bill

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  8. Bob Cardone
    Archived post
    #8
    Graeme said:

    "Bob Cardone" <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    G said:

    Sorry for the obscure subject but I didn't know what else to put. I've had (suffered from?)
    palpitations for 20+ years. They haven't got


    any

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    worse, and haven't got any better. I'm 41, male, non-smoker, and do most


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the normal healthy stuff. Not overweight either, and have had a check-up


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the last couple of months. So, a typical bloke who has the occasional flutter (and I don't mean
    gambling!). I don't take drugs or other medication. Recently, when in bed, lying on my left
    side with my arm under my pillow (order: bed-arm-pillow-ear), I can hear a rapid 'beat'. It's
    about 4x


    faster

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    than my pulse, but I can't attribute it to anything in the house (clock, dripping tap/fawcet).
    What is this? I know it's a longshot, but has anyone a suggestion? Ta.

    See a doctor, and get a Holter Monitor and wear it for 24 hours. They will then be able to tell
    you what is going on. Sounds like it might be A-Fib.

    For more information on A-Fib go to www.afibbers.org.

    Bob

    I had a 24-hour monitor a couple of years ago which just confirmed occasional ectopics. Can you not
    normally 'feel' A-Fib above your normal pulse? But I will take your advice on seeing a doc.

    Firstly, I am not a Doctor, just a patient. I checked into the ER back in April and when I would lay
    on my side, it felt like there was a vibrator in my chest. PAC's and A-Fib was the diagnoses. They
    had me on a continuous ECG monitor and I had more erratic beats than NSR ( normal beats) until they
    finally put me on an anti-arrhtymia drug called Flecainide. It doesn't sound like that fast beating
    that you are getting is just Ectopic. If it were me, I would get it checked.

    Bob

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  9. G
    Archived post
    #9

    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the link Bob. I've had a good read of this site but cannot


    say

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that this really describes my symptoms. When I 'feel' this rapid beat


    (in my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ear), my normal pulse (taken at the wrist) seems perfectly stable at


    about

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    60bpm. If you can have A-Fib conincident with normal heart operation,


    then

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it may be an answer to my situation. Any comments?

    You originally said 4 times your heartrate that would be 240 times a min -


    4 a

    Quoted message said:

    second that would be very fast, like a machine gun. Are you sure it could


    not

    Quoted message said:

    be more like 120 bpm?

    Bill

    Well it does seem somewhat faster than 2Hz. Being very quiet and much weaker than my pulse, it's
    quite difficult to get a true reading. If it were 120bpm then I could quite imagine that as being my
    normal rhythm. I'll see if I can take another measurement. Thanks for your response.

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  10. G
    Archived post
    #10

    "Bob Cardone" <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Graeme said:

    "Bob Cardone" <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "G" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Sorry for the obscure subject but I didn't know what else to put. I've had (suffered from?)
    >palpitations for 20+ years. They haven't got


    any

    Quoted message said:

    >worse, and haven't got any better. I'm 41, male, non-smoker, and do


    most

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    >the normal healthy stuff. Not overweight either, and have had a


    check-up

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:

    >the last couple of months. So, a typical bloke who has the occasional flutter (and I don't
    >mean gambling!). I don't take drugs or other medication. Recently, when in bed, lying on my
    >left side with my arm under my


    pillow

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >(order: bed-arm-pillow-ear), I can hear a rapid 'beat'. It's about 4x


    faster

    Quoted message said:

    >than my pulse, but I can't attribute it to anything in the house


    (clock,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >dripping tap/fawcet). What is this? I know it's a longshot, but has anyone a suggestion? Ta.
    >
    >

    See a doctor, and get a Holter Monitor and wear it for 24 hours. They will then be able to tell
    you what is going on. Sounds like it might be A-Fib.

    For more information on A-Fib go to www.afibbers.org.

    Bob

    I had a 24-hour monitor a couple of years ago which just confirmed occasional ectopics. Can you
    not normally 'feel' A-Fib above your normal pulse? But I will take your advice on seeing a doc.

    Firstly, I am not a Doctor, just a patient. I checked into the ER back in April and when I would
    lay on my side, it felt like there was a vibrator in my chest. PAC's and A-Fib was the diagnoses.
    They had me on a continuous ECG monitor and I had more erratic beats than NSR ( normal beats)
    until they finally put me on an anti-arrhtymia drug called Flecainide. It doesn't sound like that
    fast beating that you are getting is just Ectopic. If it were me, I would get it checked.

    Bob

    That's right. I have occasional ectopics, and this (I'm sure) isn't it. but I have a theory (see
    later post).

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  11. Elva4
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    What is this?

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    I know it's a longshot, but has anyone a suggestion?

    Just a suggestion.....http://www.tinnitusearringing.com/pulsatile_tinnitus1.htm

    I have pulsatile tinnitus.... In my situation, the carotid is very close to the eardrum, and so I
    hear the pulse rate all the time....aggravating, to be sure. Nothing else showed up on the MRI/MRA.
    Of course, this is just a suggestion. Everyone is unique. Virginia in MI

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  12. G
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    #12

    "Elva4" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What is this?

    Quoted message said:

    I know it's a longshot, but has anyone a suggestion?

    Just a


    suggestion.....http://www.tinnitusearringing.com/pulsatile_tinnitus1.htm

    Quoted message said:


    I have pulsatile tinnitus.... In my situation, the carotid is very close


    to

    Quoted message said:

    the eardrum, and so I hear the pulse rate all the time....aggravating, to


    be

    Quoted message said:

    sure. Nothing else showed up on the MRI/MRA. Of course, this is just a suggestion. Everyone is
    unique. Virginia in MI

    It could be that. Thanks for the info. I wonder what determines the 'click' rate.

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  13. Dr. Andrew B. C
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    #13
    G said:

    "Elva4" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What is this?
    > I know it's a longshot, but has anyone a suggestion?

    Just a


    suggestion.....http://www.tinnitusearringing.com/pulsatile_tinnitus1.htm

    Quoted message said:


    I have pulsatile tinnitus.... In my situation, the carotid is very close


    to

    Quoted message said:

    the eardrum, and so I hear the pulse rate all the time....aggravating, to


    be

    Quoted message said:

    sure. Nothing else showed up on the MRI/MRA. Of course, this is just a suggestion. Everyone is
    unique. Virginia in MI

    It could be that. Thanks for the info. I wonder what determines the 'click' rate.

    It should be the pulse rate.

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

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  14. G
    Archived post
    #14

    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    G said:

    "Elva4" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > What is this?
    >> I know it's a longshot, but has anyone a suggestion?

    Just a


    suggestion.....http://www.tinnitusearringing.com/pulsatile_tinnitus1.htm

    Quoted message said:


    I have pulsatile tinnitus.... In my situation, the carotid is very


    close

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    the eardrum, and so I hear the pulse rate all the time....aggravating,


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    be

    Quoted message said:

    sure. Nothing else showed up on the MRI/MRA. Of course, this is just


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    suggestion. Everyone is unique. Virginia in MI

    It could be that. Thanks for the info. I wonder what determines the


    'click'

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    rate.

    It should be the pulse rate.

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    I have a theory now after sleeping on it (literally). I'm pretty sure the 'click' rate is 4x normal
    pulse. I could easily imagine hearing 2x normal rate (lub-dub), and if you consider that I may be
    hearing the pulse in my ear together with the pulse in my wrist (there should be a delay between the
    pulse reaching my ear and my wrist, yes?), then this would add up to a 4x perceived rate
    (lub,lub,dub,dub). It seems a minor issue to get checked when it is only audible in a very specific
    position and does not appear to alter the normal rhythm. Comments? Ta.

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