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  1. detnow.com0311041703.html Investigation: Autism and Informed Inoculation Reported
    by Steve Wilson Web produced by Jennifer DiDomenico

    Starting just hours after birth with an inoculation for Hepatitis B, followed with more week after
    week, a healthy infant gets at least 20 shots in its first 6 months of life. If you've adhered to
    today's government recommendations your child has received more than 30 vaccinations, many more than
    health officials recommended just a dozen years ago.

    "Mainstream medicine recommends first and foremost, people get vaccinated and so I got vaccinated, I
    hope you'll get vaccinated this flu season to protect against the flu," Dr. David Johnson, Dep. Dir.
    of Michigan Dept. of Community Health advises.

    "We all feel comfortable that the benefits of the vaccination program far outweigh any potential
    risks," asserts Dr. Benjamin Schwartz at Atlanta's Center for Disease Control.

    But a group of parents who met with us in our studio are far from comfortable that doctors and
    government watchdogs are telling us all they know.

    "My husband is a physician. I'm a nurse practitioner. We're a medical family," mother Lynn Redwood
    tells Action News. "I've preached vaccines for years. I've administered vaccines. I'm not advocating
    not vaccinating the children. What I'm asking for is for safer vaccines," she adds.

    Lynn and a growing number of others are worried about something called Thimerosal, a substance that
    has been added to vaccines for years as a preservative or sterilizing agent.

    Thimerosal is half mercury, similar to what's in blood pressure devices.

    Next to uranium, mercury is the most toxic substance known to man.

    But according to Dr. Schwartz, concerns over mercury do not need to interfere with the vaccinations
    recommended today for you and your children.

    "We worked with the vaccine manufacturers to get Thimerosal completely out of the childhood
    vaccination schedule," Dr. Schwartz says.

    Dr. Gary Freed, MD, the U-M Chief of Pediatrics, agrees. "In this country, we've removed Thimerosal
    from the vaccines that are given to children," Freed also advises.

    Others find fault with these statements. "It is not out of the vaccines," researcher David Geier
    told Action News. "It is clearly in many of the vaccines given to children and it's not one or two.
    We're talking about hundreds of thousands of children that are receiving the full amount of
    Thimerosal from some of the vaccines today."

    The "full amount" refers to the levels injected into American children for many years, until
    Congress demanded that the FDA look at just how much mercury was adding up from shot after shot.

    Although vaccine makers were encouraged but not ordered to remove Thimerosal four years ago, many
    vaccines doctors recommend do still contain it. The parents we talked to point to persuasive lines
    of evidence that suggest a link between learning disabilities as serious as autism and repeated
    injection of vaccines that contain mercury.

    Parent Lynn Redwood suspects that mercury may be responsible for her son's autism. "My son was born
    completely normal, walking, talking, meeting all his developmental landmarks," Lynn remembers.
    "Shortly after his first birthday he started to regress. He lost his speech and language skills He
    just started drifting off into his own world."

    "It was a very subtle, slow sort of decline down a slippery slope into autism," Lynn says. "At two
    months of age, he received three vaccines that one day. He received 62.5 micrograms of ethylmercury,
    directly injected. His allowable exposure, according to EPA, was .5, so he received 125 times his
    allowable exposure to mercury."

    Put another way, a patient would have to weigh 284 pounds to safely ingest that much mercury and not
    exceed EPA safety guidelines. Little Will weighed only 11 pounds.

    Right here in Michigan, cases of autism have skyrocketed 1538% in just the last 10 years, and
    there's no reliable estimate of the increase in less severe learning disorders.

    Kenny Taylor is autistic. Less than a week after receiving his last set of shots, Ken Taylor, his
    father, began to notice a change.

    "Loss of communication skills, affection skills, everything he had known prior to the onset was
    gone," Ken recalls. "His verbal communication was completely gone. His eye contact was no longer
    there. He isolated himself from everything and everyone."

    "He was perfectly healthy until we a day when we took him in for numerous vaccines. A perfectly
    healthy child. I mean he could be the Gerber baby," Carolyn Gammacca says of her son Nicholas.

    Carolyn concedes her son may well have had some genetic predisposition to autism when he got four
    vaccinations in one day at age two 10 years ago. "But we believe that one day is when we lost our
    child," Carolyn says. "After that, he wasn't the same."

    To Dr. Boyd Haley, the Chief of the Chemistry Department at the University of Kentucky, parental
    suspicions seem to be on-target.

    "You know, you never have an absolute answer but I'm sitting here saying, 'look, you're injecting
    these kids with one of the most neurotoxic compounds that we have available to ourselves and the
    rate of autism went up with the increased number of injections of this material into a child',"
    Ds. Haley contends.

    So why are so many medical associations and health professionals, even at the best medical
    facilities in America, soft-pedaling concerns and sometimes providing inaccurate or misleading
    information, as they did when our producer called and spoke to a registered nurse? She was told by
    one RN that regardless of which shot she gets, there won't be mercury in the shot. That is not true.

    In fact, when mercury-free vaccines are available-as they are with the flu shots now being pushed
    for you and your children- you're frequently not even told you have a choice.

    "It is a policy that we make those vaccines, both the Thimerosal-containing and the Thimerosal-free,
    available to our patients," Dr. Freed argues. He is the same doctor who earlier claimed that
    Thimerasol has been removed from childhood vaccines, but now admits you can avoid it if you know
    enough to ask.

    "The biggest danger is that people won't vaccinate their children, whether it be because of mercury
    or for any other purpose, because once people stop vaccinating their children, they place their
    children at risk of severe, life-threatening, preventable diseases," Dr. Freed says, in response to
    our argument that a policy does not exist to let parents know that both types of vaccine are
    available.

    Many vaccines still contain Thimerosal. Levels of the substance have been removed or dramatically
    reduced in some, but not all, cases. If it's a risk you want to avoid, it is apparently up to you to
    ask for mercury-free vaccines. Here is an important point to remember: Action News found nothing to
    support a conclusion that all vaccines should be avoided. Our point is that your healthcare provider
    may not be telling you all you need to know to decide exactly which inoculations are right for you
    and your children.

  2. [email hidden] (john) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    detnow.com0311041703.html Investigation: Autism and Informed Inoculation Reported
    by Steve Wilson Web produced by Jennifer DiDomenico

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Next to uranium, mercury is the most toxic substance known to man.

    Huh. How exactly did they decide that? There's no offical Most Toxic Substance Known to Man list,
    and even if there were, it's pretty clear that uranium wouldn't be #1. Saying that "mercury" is #2
    is meaningless, since it doesn't differentiate between metallic mercury, methylmercury, and
    ethylmercury

    See:

    users.aol.commostoxic.htm
    idinchildren.comframeset.asp (you'll need to register
    for this one)

    Is it just barely possible that a local news station isn't the most reliable source from which to
    get science news?

    Beth

  3. In said:

    Thimerosal is half mercury, similar to what's in blood pressure devices.

    Next to uranium, mercury is the most toxic substance known to man.

    Really? Rather an easy assertion to check out, and a fair gauge of the reliability of the
    other claims.

    From umrc.netmedical effects cmj.pdf "Medical Effects of Internal
    Contamination with Uranium"

    Uranyl fluoride was found to be more toxic than uranyl nitrate or uranium tetrachloride, with a
    lethal dose of uranyl nitrate being 2 mg/kg by subcutaneous or 0.4 mg/kg by intravenous injection.
    Oral toxicity of insoluble UO2, U3O8, and UF4 was found to be non-toxic in rats, while six other
    soluble components were of a considerable toxicity. Uranyl nitrate had a more dramatic effect on the
    mature than on the newborn rats. The main chemical toxicity was observed in the proximal convoluted
    tubule of the kidney. Experiments on dogs with oral administration of 0.2 mg/kg of soluble UO2F2 to
    10 mg/g of insoluble UO2, as well as uranyl nitrate at 0.2 g/kg and 0.05 g/kg of uranium
    tetrachloride, demonstrated renal cortical tubular changes with very little evidence of necrosis.
    Renal pathology was a common finding with several chemical compounds of uranium tested parenterally.

    From ntp-db.niehs.nih.govRadian115 09 3.html (The
    MSDS for methylmercury) *TOXICITY: (abbreviations) typ. dose mode specie amount units other LD50 ims
    qal 27 mg/kg LDLo ims rat 23 mg/kg LD50 ipr gpg 7 mg/kg LD50 ipr ham 15 mg/kg LD50 ipr mky 5600
    ug/kg LD50 ipr mus 10 mg/kg LD50 ipr rat 11 mg/kg LDLo ivn rbt 15 mg/kg LD50 orl gpg 21 mg/kg LD50
    orl mus 57600 ug/kg LD50 orl qal 26 mg/kg LD50 orl rat 29915 ug/kg LC50 ihl mus 80 mg/m3/4H

    From usamriid.army.milappxi.doc "Comparative Lethality of Selected
    Toxins & Chemical Agents in Laboratory Mice" lists the LD50 for botulinum toxin as 1 ug/kg, shiga
    and tetanus toxins at 2 ug/kg, and on up from there.

    By that scale, then, botulinum toxin is 7000 times as toxic as methylmercury and at least 400 times
    as toxic as the most toxic uranium compound.

    --
    | "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a | completely unintentional side
    | effect. " -- Linus Torvalds |
    +--------------- D. C. Sessions <[email hidden]> ----------+

  4. Can you show me the peer-reviewed evidence that the amount of ethylmercury in the doses given in
    vaccines is harmful?

    As far as I can tell, there is no evidence that the amount of ethylmercury that is invaccines has
    ever caused harm. It is excreted by the person rather quickly. There is no transporter for it to
    get into the brain, like there is for methylmercury, so comparisons between these two compounds are
    not helpful.

    Jeff

  5. "D. C. Sessions" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In said:

    Thimerosal is half mercury, similar to what's in blood pressure devices.

    Next to uranium, mercury is the most toxic substance known to man.

    Really? Rather an easy assertion to check out, and a fair gauge of the reliability of the
    other claims.

    From umrc.netmedical effects cmj.pdf "Medical Effects of Internal
    Contamination with Uranium"

    Uranyl fluoride was found to be more toxic than uranyl nitrate or uranium tetrachloride, with a
    lethal dose of uranyl nitrate being 2 mg/kg by subcutaneous or 0.4 mg/kg by intravenous injection.
    Oral toxicity of insoluble UO2, U3O8, and UF4 was found to be non-toxic in rats, while six other
    soluble components were of a considerable toxicity. Uranyl nitrate had a more dramatic effect on
    the mature than on the newborn rats. The main chemical toxicity was observed in the proximal
    convoluted tubule of the kidney. Experiments on dogs with oral administration of 0.2 mg/kg of
    soluble UO2F2 to 10 mg/g of insoluble UO2, as well as uranyl nitrate at 0.2 g/kg and 0.05 g/kg of
    uranium tetrachloride, demonstrated renal cortical tubular changes with very little evidence of
    necrosis. Renal pathology was a common finding with several chemical compounds of uranium tested
    parenterally.

    From


    ntp-db.niehs.nih.govRadian115 09 3.html

    Quoted message said:

    (The MSDS for methylmercury) *TOXICITY: (abbreviations) typ. dose mode specie amount units other
    LD50 ims qal 27 mg/kg LDLo ims rat 23 mg/kg LD50 ipr gpg 7 mg/kg LD50 ipr ham 15 mg/kg LD50 ipr
    mky 5600 ug/kg LD50 ipr mus 10 mg/kg LD50 ipr rat 11 mg/kg LDLo ivn rbt 15 mg/kg LD50 orl gpg 21
    mg/kg LD50 orl mus 57600 ug/kg LD50 orl qal 26 mg/kg LD50 orl rat 29915 ug/kg LC50 ihl mus 80
    mg/m3/4H

    From usamriid.army.milappxi.doc "Comparative Lethality of Selected
    Toxins & Chemical Agents in Laboratory Mice" lists the LD50 for botulinum toxin as 1 ug/kg, shiga
    and tetanus toxins at 2 ug/kg, and on up from there.

    By that scale, then, botulinum toxin is 7000 times as toxic as methylmercury and at least 400
    times as toxic as the most toxic uranium compound.

    Maybe we should be looking for Saddam's secret stockpile of Hg thermometers?

    🙂

  6. "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Can you show me the peer-reviewed evidence that the amount of ethylmercury in the doses given in
    vaccines is harmful?

    As far as I can tell, there is no evidence that the amount of ethylmercury that is invaccines has
    ever caused harm. It is excreted by the person


    rather

    Quoted message said:

    quickly. There is no transporter for it to get into the brain, like there


    is

    Quoted message said:

    for methylmercury, so comparisons between these two compounds are not helpful.

    Jeff

    I dont know whether the levels are harmful or not but childrens kidneys cannot get rid of toxins as
    efficiently as adults so there may be raised levels for a substansial length of time.

    m

  7. "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Can you show me the peer-reviewed evidence that the amount of ethylmercury in the doses given in
    vaccines is harmful?

    As far as I can tell, there is no evidence that the amount of ethylmercury that is invaccines has
    ever caused harm. It is excreted by the person rather quickly. There is no transporter for it to
    get into the brain, like there is for methylmercury, so comparisons between these two compounds
    are not helpful.

    Jeff

    "The blood-brain barrier is not intact in infants until at least 6 weeks of life. This is why a
    newborn with a fever must be subjected to a spinal tap to rule out menningitis. Any virus or
    bacteria that a newborn is exposed to can go directly to the nervous system. This is why the
    Hepatitis B vaccine at birth is so dangerous. Between 1991 and 1999, when the shot contained
    thimerisol, giving it at birth would have resulted in mercury crossing into the brain since the blood-
    brain barrier was not yet intact. As a nurse, I'm concerned that this information about the normal
    timing of a blood-brain barrier forming is not more readily known. I think this normal delay in the
    forming of a blood-brain barrier is an important piece of the puzzle and one of the reasons for the
    surge of autism in the 90's."----Mary Barbera RN, MSN

    "A single vaccine given to a six-pound newborn is the equivalent of giving a 180-pound adult 30
    vaccinations on the same day. Include in this the toxic effects of high levels of aluminum and
    formaldehyde contained in some vaccines, and the synergist toxicity could be increased to unknown
    levels. Further, it is very well known that infants do not produce significant levels of bile or
    have adult renal capacity for several months after birth. Bilary transport is the major biochemical
    route by which mercury is removed from the body, and infants cannot do this very well. They also do
    not possess the renal (kidney) capacity to remove aluminum. Additionally, mercury is a well-known
    inhibitor of kidney function."--Boyd Haley Ph.D.

  8. (Elizabeth Reid) said:

    [email hidden] (john) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    detnow.com0311041703.html Investigation: Autism and Informed Inoculation
    Reported by Steve Wilson Web produced by Jennifer DiDomenico

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Next to uranium, mercury is the most toxic substance known to man.

    Huh. How exactly did they decide that? There's no offical Most Toxic Substance Known to Man list,
    and even if there were, it's pretty clear that uranium wouldn't be #1. Saying that "mercury" is #2
    is meaningless, since it doesn't differentiate between metallic mercury, methylmercury, and
    ethylmercury

    See:

    users.aol.commostoxic.htm
    idinchildren.comframeset.asp (you'll need to register for
    this one)

    Is it just barely possible that a local news station isn't the most reliable source from which to
    get science news?

    Beth

    Gee, I thought that Plutonium was the most toxic substance known to man.

    Where is that confounded list ?

    WB
    --

    Take out the G'RBAGE to reply
    [email hidden]

  9. "nursing mariah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Can you show me the peer-reviewed evidence that the amount of


    ethylmercury

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in the doses given in vaccines is harmful?

    As far as I can tell, there is no evidence that the amount of


    ethylmercury

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that is invaccines has ever caused harm. It is excreted by the person


    rather

    Quoted message said:

    quickly. There is no transporter for it to get into the brain, like


    there

    Quoted message said:

    is

    Quoted message said:

    for methylmercury, so comparisons between these two compounds are not helpful.

    Jeff

    I dont know whether the levels are harmful or not but childrens kidneys cannot get rid of toxins
    as efficiently as adults so there may be raised levels for a substansial length of time.

    Canyou document that children's kidneys cannot clear Hs as you say. I recall a study around a year
    ago in which the researchers were actually surprised on how fast the kiddies cleared Hg.

    So, please document your claim.

  10. "nursing mariah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Can you show me the peer-reviewed evidence that the amount of


    ethylmercury

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in the doses given in vaccines is harmful?

    As far as I can tell, there is no evidence that the amount of


    ethylmercury

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that is invaccines has ever caused harm. It is excreted by the person


    rather

    Quoted message said:

    quickly. There is no transporter for it to get into the brain, like


    there

    Quoted message said:

    is

    Quoted message said:

    for methylmercury, so comparisons between these two compounds are not helpful.

    Jeff

    I dont know whether the levels are harmful or not but childrens kidneys cannot get rid of toxins
    as efficiently as adults so there may be raised levels for a substansial length of time.

    Depends on the toxin. Some toxins are actively pumped by the kidneys into the urine; most are just
    filtered out into the urine and not reabsorbed.

    Anyway, it has been shown that the ethylmercury is excreted faily rapidly by babies.

    Jeff

  11. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Can you show me the peer-reviewed evidence that the amount of


    ethylmercury

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in the doses given in vaccines is harmful?

    As far as I can tell, there is no evidence that the amount of


    ethylmercury

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that is invaccines has ever caused harm. It is excreted by the person


    rather

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    quickly. There is no transporter for it to get into the brain, like


    there is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for methylmercury, so comparisons between these two compounds are not helpful.

    Jeff

    "The blood-brain barrier is not intact in infants until at least 6 weeks of life. This is why a
    newborn with a fever must be subjected to a spinal tap to rule out menningitis. Any virus or
    bacteria that a newborn is exposed to can go directly to the nervous system. This is why the
    Hepatitis B vaccine at birth is so dangerous. Between 1991 and 1999, when the shot contained
    thimerisol, giving it at birth would have resulted in mercury crossing into the brain since the
    blood-brain barrier was not yet intact. As a nurse, I'm concerned that this information about the
    normal timing of a blood-brain barrier forming is not more readily known. I think this normal
    delay in the forming of a blood-brain barrier is an important piece of the puzzle and one of the
    reasons for the surge of autism in the 90's."----Mary Barbera RN, MSN

    Yet this nurse did not offer any peer-reveiewed evidence that her conjectures are correct. Nor any
    evidence that the rate of autism went down when the hepatitis vaccine no longer contained
    ethylmercury.

    Quoted message said:

    "A single vaccine given to a six-pound newborn is the equivalent of giving a 180-pound adult 30
    vaccinations on the same day. Include in this the toxic effects of high levels of aluminum and
    formaldehyde contained in some vaccines, and the synergist toxicity could be increased to unknown
    levels. Further, it is very well known that infants do not produce significant levels of bile or
    have adult renal capacity for several months after birth. Bilary transport is the major
    biochemical route by which mercury is removed from the body, and infants cannot do this very well.
    They also do not possess the renal (kidney) capacity to remove aluminum. Additionally, mercury is
    a well-known inhibitor of kidney function."--Boyd Haley Ph.D.

    Actually, ethylmercury is ethylmercury, not mercury. They are different things. Ethylmercury
    contains mercury, just like water contains oxygen, but water and oxygen are different.

    Jeff

  12. On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:25:10 GMT, "Markasurusias Probertasaurusias" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe we should be looking for Saddam's secret stockpile of Hg thermometers?

    🙂


    The rectal ones for sure !
    --

    Take out the G'RBAGE to reply
    [email hidden]

  13. see below

    WB said:
    (Elizabeth Reid) said:

    [email hidden] (john) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    detnow.com0311041703.html Investigation: Autism and Informed Inoculation
    Reported by Steve Wilson Web produced by Jennifer DiDomenico

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Next to uranium, mercury is the most toxic substance known to man.

    Huh. How exactly did they decide that? There's no offical Most Toxic Substance Known to Man list,
    and even if there were, it's pretty clear that uranium wouldn't be #1. Saying that "mercury" is
    #2 is meaningless, since it doesn't differentiate between metallic mercury, methylmercury, and
    ethylmercury

    See:

    users.aol.commostoxic.htm
    idinchildren.comframeset.asp (you'll need to register for
    this one)

    Is it just barely possible that a local news station isn't the most reliable source from which to
    get science news?

    Beth

    Gee, I thought that Plutonium was the most toxic substance known to man.

    Where is that confounded list ?

    WB
    --

    Take out the G'RBAGE to reply [email hidden]

    And you call yourselves chemists??? Have you taken a Gander at the latest "finished" "PERIODIC
    CHARTS"??? The last item in the 8th row that starts with Helium is now known as BERKELIUM. From
    it has been made a COSMIC BOMB which DISINTEGRATES similar to an NEUTRON Bomb only MUCH more
    effectively...as in: "A PLANET BUSTER"...disintegratiing everything! [censored]!! In 1950 when it was
    first discoveed by Linus Pauling at Berkely...it was called: "COSMIUM"...and KENNEDY told
    Kruschev he was NOT afraid of him! Kruschev answered with dirty "ATOMIC" test where poisoness
    radio active Materials floated acoss the poles and cause brain cancer in MANY including a
    really fine Lady who is a relative who lived in KANSAS at the time. Fortunately we did NOT
    answer with the above. Plutonium is a simple fire cracker by comparison! We ARE NOW in the
    FINAL DAYS (GIFTED days) a/o 1997 when our SUN was ameliorated and kept from 2nd Peter chapt 3
    verse 10. which has been delayed till 3034. ( by the Galactic Federation) Much more to this
    story..no time now!

    If you do NOT believe in ALIENS OR Advanced SCIENCES from the GALACTIC FEDERATION See www.
    NASA.Gov.SOHO dated 2003/08/29 @ 16:42 hrs. I use this as a Screen saver..LOL! Get an eyefull and
    get back to me for an explanation! I am a retired Arospace Engineering consultant! I watched SOHO
    from the beginning in early 1997 when all kinds of wierd things happened. This will cure AUTISM
    in ADULTS fer sure??? B-0b1

  14. "Markasurusias Probertasaurusias" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Maybe we should be looking for Saddam's secret stockpile of Hg


    thermometers?

    Quoted message said:

    I have an idea where he might be hiding them but I don't think I'm man enough to look.

    --
    CBI

  15. "Markasurusias Probertasaurusias" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I dont know whether the levels are harmful or not but childrens kidneys cannot get rid of
    toxins as efficiently as adults so there may be raised levels for a substansial length of time.

    Canyou document that children's kidneys cannot clear Hs as you say. I


    recall

    Quoted message said:

    a study around a year ago in which the researchers were actually surprised on how fast the kiddies
    cleared Hg.

    So, please document your claim.

    Many drugs are given at shorter durations in kids because they are cleared faster than adults and
    almost all drugs are given in higher doses in children on a pound for pound basis.

    --
    CBI, MD

  16. "CBI" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Markasurusias Probertasaurusias" <[email hidden]> wrote


    in

    Quoted message said:

    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Maybe we should be looking for Saddam's secret stockpile of Hg


    thermometers?

    Quoted message said:

    I have an idea where he might be hiding them but I don't think I'm man enough to look.

    Aha, so you stopped reading the list of specialties at pediatrician for a reason, eh?

  17. "CBI" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Markasurusias Probertasaurusias" <[email hidden]> wrote


    in

    Quoted message said:

    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I dont know whether the levels are harmful or not but childrens


    kidneys

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cannot get rid of toxins as efficiently as adults so there may be


    raised

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    levels for a substansial length of time.

    Canyou document that children's kidneys cannot clear Hs as you say. I


    recall

    Quoted message said:

    a study around a year ago in which the researchers were actually


    surprised

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    on how fast the kiddies cleared Hg.

    So, please document your claim.

    Many drugs are given at shorter durations in kids because they are cleared faster than adults and
    almost all drugs are given in higher doses in children on a pound for pound basis.

    I knew that. I was hoping the idle conjecturer who made the claim could come forward and admit she
    made it up.

  18. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Investigation: Autism and Informed Inoculation
    From: [email hidden] (Elizabeth Reid)
    Date: 11/5/2003 10:40 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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    detnow.com0311041703.html Investigation: Autism and Informed Inoculation
    Reported by Steve Wilson Web produced by Jennifer DiDomenico

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    Next to uranium, mercury is the most toxic substance known to man.

    Huh. How exactly did they decide that? There's no offical Most Toxic Substance Known to Man list,
    and even if there were, it's pretty clear that uranium wouldn't be #1. Saying that "mercury" is #2
    is meaningless, since it doesn't differentiate between metallic mercury, methylmercury, and
    ethylmercury

    No, it is far from meanless. Mercury doesn't belong in vaccinations or the mouth.

    Jan

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    Subject: Re: Investigation: Autism and Informed Inoculation From: "Jeff"
    [email hidden] Date: 11/6/2003 3:19 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
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    "nursing mariah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fMvqb.7820$W11.4930@news-
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    > "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > > Can you show me the peer-reviewed evidence that the amount of
    ethylmercury
    > > in the doses given in vaccines is harmful?
    > >
    > > As far as I can tell, there is no evidence that the amount of
    ethylmercury
    > > that is invaccines has ever caused harm. It is excreted by the


    person

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    > rather
    > > quickly. There is no transporter for it to get into the brain, like
    there
    > is
    > > for methylmercury, so comparisons between these two compounds are


    not

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    > > helpful.
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    > I dont know whether the levels are harmful or not but childrens


    kidneys

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    > cannot get rid of toxins as efficiently as adults so there may be


    raised

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    > levels for a substansial length of time.

    Depends on the toxin. Some toxins are actively pumped by the kidneys


    into

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    the urine; most are just filtered out into the urine and not


    reabsorbed.

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    Anyway, it has been shown that the ethylmercury is excreted faily


    rapidly

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    by

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    babies.

    Jeff

    This is known as the rhetoric and half truths of organized medicine.

    For the truth, go here:

    dreampharm.comhepatitis news 120502.html

    That is saleshype.

    However, for facts:

    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    "Medscape: Please summarize your Lancet study results and their implications for the safety of
    vaccines containing thimerosal.

    Dr. Pichichero: We looked at the [blood] level of mercury in children who received thimerosal-
    containing vaccines. Not a single child had a blood mercury level approaching the lower safety
    limit established by the EPA. Former predictions of possible pediatric problems with mercury
    in vaccines, which led to removal of thimerosal from U.S. vaccines, were based on the notion
    that metabolism of ethyl mercury in the vaccine was the same as that of methyl mercury in
    fish. But our study showed that elimination of ethyl mercury from the vaccine was about six
    times as fast as that of methyl mercury. The rapid metabolism probably accounts for the very
    low blood levels in the children we studied.

    If you want the entire article, register for Medscape."

    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    safeminds.orgnytpich.html

    (Note the brilliant researcher named at the end of the article!)

    infectiousdiseasenews.comframeset.asp

    So, Dr. Pichichero did not find mercury "pouring out" of these children? Strange. Somebody is lying.

    --Rich

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    Huh. How exactly did they decide that? There's no offical Most Toxic Substance Known to Man list,
    and even if there were, it's pretty clear that uranium wouldn't be #1. Saying that "mercury" is #2
    is meaningless, since it doesn't differentiate between metallic mercury, methylmercury, and
    ethylmercury

    No, it is far from meanless. Mercury doesn't belong in vaccinations or the mouth.

    Jan

    Mercury does indeed belong in the mouth. Not only did Jesus catch & eat fish, he served them to
    the masses.

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