Why?

A little bijou clueett to the location perhaps?

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Peter Fox
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Crispin said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/why

The overall situation is far from clear. (Where are cyclists using
the `route' which is `ending' intended to ride - in the opposite
direction to that indicated by the road marking they're standing on?
What are the general road and traffic surroundings? What's on the
other side of the road, if indeed it is a road?)

However, assuming the cycle lane we see extended away from the camera
past the car park, and that it was intended for use in that direction,
I would not ride there (eg, where the moe distant blue-jacketed person
is shown walking their bike) in any case.

That seems too close to parked cars, who might pull out without
warning. Those close passing cyclists will be difficult to see from
the driving position of a car intending to depart, and the cyclist
would have little warning or manoeuvering room.

I generally don't like walking or cycling through car parks. Drivers
in car parks are generally badly distracted and not on their best
behaviour, and there is a great deal of visual clutter. Surfaces and
sightlines are often poor. Drivers aren't even sure where they're
going themselves, and so move unpredictably - and sometimes suddenly
too, eg to grab a space.

If I have to go through a car park I'll ride right down the middle of
the aisle, slowly and with extra care.

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In article <[email hidden]>, Tom Crispin
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/why

You have to get off and push your bike on the grass, or some idiot will
reverse out of a parking space and squash you.

Ian Jackson said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Crispin said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/why

The overall situation is far from clear. (Where are cyclists using
the `route' which is `ending' intended to ride - in the opposite
direction to that indicated by the road marking they're standing on?
What are the general road and traffic surroundings? What's on the
other side of the road, if indeed it is a road?)

There is a mini roundabout behind the water fountain. Cyclists going
on could be going left, right or straight ahead. Straight ahead is
closed to motor traffic between 10am and 4pm and all day Sat and Sun.

Cyclists going the other way would be going towards a side entrance to
Greenwich Park.

Quoted message said:

However, assuming the cycle lane we see extended away from the camera
past the car park, and that it was intended for use in that direction,
I would not ride there (eg, where the moe distant blue-jacketed person
is shown walking their bike) in any case.

My sister-in-law is quite exceptional in walking her bike. Nearly all
other cyclists ride, she was only walking because we were heading for
the park cafe. My brother is walking because he had a puncture.

If you would not ride there, you'd be very unusual as a cyclist using
that route.

Quoted message said:

That seems too close to parked cars, who might pull out without
warning. Those close passing cyclists will be difficult to see from
the driving position of a car intending to depart, and the cyclist
would have little warning or manoeuvering room.

Agreed.

Quoted message said:

I generally don't like walking or cycling through car parks. Drivers
in car parks are generally badly distracted and not on their best
behaviour, and there is a great deal of visual clutter. Surfaces and
sightlines are often poor. Drivers aren't even sure where they're
going themselves, and so move unpredictably - and sometimes suddenly
too, eg to grab a space.

If I have to go through a car park I'll ride right down the middle of
the aisle, slowly and with extra care.

Yes, I agree with you there too.

But rather than ask cyclists to dismount it would be better to
reposition the cycle lane and/or the car parking spaces.

"Tom Crispin" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/why

Where is this? It ought to be possible to figure out who is in
charge of the thing, and ask them. It would be interesting to hear
their reply

Jeremy Parker

On Mar 9, 3:12 pm, "Jeremy Parker" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Tom Crispin" <[email hidden]> wrote in
messagenews:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/why

Where is this? It ought to be possible to figure out who is in
charge of the thing, and ask them. It would be interesting to hear
their reply

Greenwich park SE10. Looking west. (http://maps.live.com/?
v=2&sp=Point.skcfvmh0030v_Tom's%20Brother___&encType=1) Tom's
brother is standing on what looks like a road (with delineated
"pavements" although there is no unauthorised vehicular access from
where he is standing, towards (and onwards behind) the camera. This is
why the marked cycle lane is necessary to allow cyclists to continue
that way. The rest of the arm leading up to the roundabout feels like
a "road" although since it is (for cars) a short cul-de-sac PPs'
advice about not cycling close to perpandicular parkers is sensible.
I am against too much signage in the park and would rather see
(motorised) through traffic elminated at all times and a 10-15mph
limit enforced. I would accept this limit being applied to cycles.
Not sure if it would affect my commute route or not

best wishes
james