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  1. As I originally pointed out, the racing business needs three entities to
    protect the sport and the participants.

    1) They need race promoters who put on races. It is important that these men
    JUST PUT ON RACES.

    While it is perfectly OK to have an opinion on the drugging problems these
    people are not in charge of the riders. They can demand that the rule-making
    body make certain rules and they can demand that the rule-making body
    enforce these rules in a proper manner but they are should never step over
    the line and pretend that they are the ones that enforce the riders
    regulations. They are simply too close to the problem and cannot keep a
    proper perspective on this subject.

    2) They need a rule-making body that covers all of the regulations necessary
    for the fair and safe manner of running races.

    The regulations of the UCI are actually a remarkably good set of regulations
    that cover just about everything. The problem is that they started allowing
    the enforcement of their rules to get out of their hands and that could only
    end up with no one knowing who is supposed to enforce the rules.

    3) A rider's union that intercedes for the riders on the promoter's side to
    maintain rider income. And on the rule-making side to make sure that all
    riders are treated fairly and equally.

    This is the group that especially hasn't been living up to its requirements.
    The honest riders can only see that the dishonest riders are doing them out
    of wins and destroying their careers. That's completely true - that's why
    drugging etc. is so pernicious. However, the honest riders do not understand
    that if the dishonest riders are nevertheless dealt with completely fair and
    above board, you can't tell whether they were dishonest riders honestly
    caught or honest riders dishonestly caught.

    My take on what's happening is this:

    Although the ASO probably means well, they are completely out of line
    putting on any races outside of the UCI purview. I'm sure that they believe
    that something had to be done but destroying the administration instead of
    working it out is totally wrong.

    The UCI has screwed up by trying to fob off the doping problem onto someone
    else (WADA). The fact of the matter is that bicycle racing gains almost
    nothing by being an Olympic sport and having to turn over great deals of
    authority to such people who couldn't care less about cycling is absolutely
    the wrong thing to do.

    The rider's union is going to have to buckle down and set a clear and
    concise set of rules pertaining to the way drug tests are administered and
    administrated. It isn't that we don't want to catch the cheaters, its that
    we don't want it to be easy to frame a rider and have all the other riders
    look the other way because they don't want to be thought of as supporting a
    cheater.

    It is looking like the racing this year will provide absolutely no truth
    pertaining to who are the good, the better and the greatest riders. Instead
    what we're going to see is who can race where, when. The winner, whether or
    not it's true, will always be thought of as someone who didn't ride against
    the best competition.

    And that's unfair to the races, the rule makers and the racers.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>, Tom Kunich

    cyclintom@yahoo. said:

    As I originally pointed out, the racing business needs three entities to
    protect the sport and the participants.

    1) They need race promoters who put on races. It is important that these men
    JUST PUT ON RACES.

    While it is perfectly OK to have an opinion on the drugging problems these
    people are not in charge of the riders. They can demand that the rule-making
    body make certain rules and they can demand that the rule-making body
    enforce these rules in a proper manner but they are should never step over
    the line and pretend that they are the ones that enforce the riders
    regulations. They are simply too close to the problem and cannot keep a
    proper perspective on this subject.

    2) They need a rule-making body that covers all of the regulations necessary
    for the fair and safe manner of running races.

    The regulations of the UCI are actually a remarkably good set of regulations
    that cover just about everything. The problem is that they started allowing
    the enforcement of their rules to get out of their hands and that could only
    end up with no one knowing who is supposed to enforce the rules.

    3) A rider's union that intercedes for the riders on the promoter's side to
    maintain rider income. And on the rule-making side to make sure that all
    riders are treated fairly and equally.

    This is the group that especially hasn't been living up to its requirements.
    The honest riders can only see that the dishonest riders are doing them out
    of wins and destroying their careers. That's completely true - that's why
    drugging etc. is so pernicious. However, the honest riders do not understand
    that if the dishonest riders are nevertheless dealt with completely fair and
    above board, you can't tell whether they were dishonest riders honestly
    caught or honest riders dishonestly caught.

    My take on what's happening is this:

    Although the ASO probably means well, they are completely out of line
    putting on any races outside of the UCI purview. I'm sure that they believe
    that something had to be done but destroying the administration instead of
    working it out is totally wrong.

    The UCI has screwed up by trying to fob off the doping problem onto someone
    else (WADA). The fact of the matter is that bicycle racing gains almost
    nothing by being an Olympic sport and having to turn over great deals of
    authority to such people who couldn't care less about cycling is absolutely
    the wrong thing to do.

    In the U.S. bicycle gets a lot out of being part of the Olympics. Do
    you think we would ever see another velodrome built in this country if
    bicycle racing wasn't part of the Olympics? If Cycling was dropped from
    the Olympics how long would all of our current velodromes remain in
    operation? Also the USOC is the larges cash sponsor od USA Cycling.
    USOC tends to be the ones who pay for sending teams to the world
    championships ( except for Cross and that is why the Cross riders are
    always having to pay their own way to Cross Worlds).

    Yea at the Pro level of the sport being part of the Olympics may not
    mean much. In the U.S.A. being part of the Olympics beings in sponsors,
    helps open the door to getting permit for races, helps get velodrome
    built and support for the track program ( even as small as that support
    currently is) and lots of other benefits.

  3. Tom Kunich says

    Quoted message said:

    As I originally pointed out, the racing business needs three
    entities to protect the sport and the participants.
    1) They need race promoters who put on races. It
    is important that these men JUST PUT ON RACES.

    Quoted message said:

    2) They need a rule-making body that covers all of
    the regulations necessary for the fair and safe manner of
    running races.

    3) A rider's union that intercedes for the riders on
    the promoter's side to maintain rider income. And on the
    rule-making side to make sure that all riders are treated
    fairly and equally.

    This is the group that especially hasn't been living up
    to its requirements.

    Well put Tom, especially the point regarding the riders not "living
    up". The sport needs high profile _leaders_ from each of your above
    three categories.
    I would add one other category though to your list. The bicycle
    industry needs to be a part of the solution as well.

    Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

  4. Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

    As I originally pointed out, the racing business needs three entities to
    protect the sport and the participants.

    1) They need race promoters who put on races. It is important that these men
    JUST PUT ON RACES.

    dumbass,

    when we put on a race we are raising the money, generating any revenue
    and we are taking a financial risk. the racers don't take any risk and
    neither does the UCI.

    the UCI just collects fees in exchange for services (writing a
    rulebook, training officials, putting the race on their calendar,
    insurance, discipling and licensing riders etc.).

    the UCI also acts as the rider's union and tells us what the prize
    purse has to be in order for them to sanction the race.

    if i'm not happy with those services, the conditions that go with it
    or what they charge for it, i can source them some where else or
    develop them myself.

    if you are trying to run a business would you voluntarily make
    yourself a slave to one of your vendors ? because that's what you are
    proposing.

  5. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

    As I originally pointed out, the racing business needs three entities to
    protect the sport and the participants.

    1) They need race promoters who put on races. It is important that these
    men
    JUST PUT ON RACES.

    when we put on a race we are raising the money, generating any revenue
    and we are taking a financial risk. the racers don't take any risk and
    neither does the UCI.

    Thanks for finally coming clean and demonstrating exactly why you don't seem
    to have a clue on how to be a human being.

  6. "Michael Baldwin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Tom Kunich says

    Quoted message said:

    As I originally pointed out, the racing business needs three
    entities to protect the sport and the participants.
    1) They need race promoters who put on races. It
    is important that these men JUST PUT ON RACES.

    Quoted message said:

    2) They need a rule-making body that covers all of
    the regulations necessary for the fair and safe manner of
    running races.

    3) A rider's union that intercedes for the riders on
    the promoter's side to maintain rider income. And on the
    rule-making side to make sure that all riders are treated
    fairly and equally.

    This is the group that especially hasn't been living up
    to its requirements.

    Well put Tom, especially the point regarding the riders not "living
    up". The sport needs high profile _leaders_ from each of your above
    three categories.
    I would add one other category though to your list. The bicycle
    industry needs to be a part of the solution as well.

    I don't see how the industry needs to be in this other than the way they
    presently are - as sponsors. You should never allow someone whose financial
    security is tied to a sport control that sport. This is also why the race
    promoters are very bad judges of rule making.

  7. "Casey Kerrigan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Tom Kunich

    cyclintom@yahoo. said:


    The UCI has screwed up by trying to fob off the doping problem onto
    someone
    else (WADA). The fact of the matter is that bicycle racing gains almost
    nothing by being an Olympic sport and having to turn over great deals of
    authority to such people who couldn't care less about cycling is
    absolutely
    the wrong thing to do.

    In the U.S. bicycle gets a lot out of being part of the Olympics. Do
    you think we would ever see another velodrome built in this country if
    bicycle racing wasn't part of the Olympics? If Cycling was dropped from
    the Olympics how long would all of our current velodromes remain in
    operation? Also the USOC is the larges cash sponsor od USA Cycling.
    USOC tends to be the ones who pay for sending teams to the world
    championships ( except for Cross and that is why the Cross riders are
    always having to pay their own way to Cross Worlds).

    Track cycling is an entirely different form of bicycle racing than road
    racing Casey. I understand your position and while I'm on your side I still
    can't see the UCI turning their doping testing over to the Olympics.

    At this time the Olympic Committee have completely forgotten the ideals of
    amatuer athletics and have become nothing more than another professional
    sporting organizer. It isn't truely an Olympics anymore - its nothing but a
    demonstation of the top levels of professional sports.

    Quoted message said:

    Yea at the Pro level of the sport being part of the Olympics may not
    mean much. In the U.S.A. being part of the Olympics beings in sponsors,
    helps open the door to getting permit for races, helps get velodrome
    built and support for the track program ( even as small as that support
    currently is) and lots of other benefits.

    I have a problem with there being no track racing but I have much more of a
    problem with the UCI being ruled from a small group in the Olympic
    Committee.

  8. Casey Kerrigan writes

    Quoted message said:

    In the U.S. bicycle gets a lot out of being
    part of the Olympics. Do you think we would ever
    see another velodrome built in this country if bicycle racing
    wasn't part of the Olympics? If Cycling was dropped from
    the Olympics how long would all of our current velodromes
    remain in operation? Also the USOC is the larges cash
    sponsor od USA Cycling. USOC tends to be the ones
    who pay for sending teams to the world championships

    I think you may be missing Tom's point Cacey. _IF_ the listed
    entities could get their collective [censored] in one pile, your concerns
    would probably would be nullified.

    Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

  9. "Casey Kerrigan" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    "In the U.S. bicycle gets a lot out of being part of the Olympics. Do you
    think we would ever see another velodrome built in this country if bicycle
    racing wasn't part of the Olympics?"

    Yes. There is currently a velodrome project here in Oregon with a good
    probability of completion of an indoor facility in Salem. Olympics has had
    nothing to do with the process.

    "If Cycling was dropped from the Olympics how long would all of our current
    velodromes remain in operation?"

    In the case of Alpenrose there would be no difference in our operations if
    cycling was not part of the Olympics. We get no support from the Olympic
    movement and never had.

    Mike Murray

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