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  1. US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike lanes, clearly
    marked as such on the pavement itself. It was basically the shoulder
    demarcated with a solid white line, with the bike lane itself being six feet
    wide.

    Any others out there?

    brink

  2. On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:47:26 -0800, "brink" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike lanes, clearly
    marked as such on the pavement itself. It was basically the shoulder
    demarcated with a solid white line, with the bike lane itself being six feet
    wide.

    Any others out there?

    brink

    If memory serves. The interstate system in Wyoming allows bicycles to
    ride on the shoulder in the entire state.
    __o | Every time I see an adult on a bicycle....
    _`\(,_ | I no longer despair for the human race.
    (_)/ (_) | ---H.G. Wells---

  3. brink said:

    US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike lanes, clearly
    marked as such on the pavement itself. It was basically the shoulder
    demarcated with a solid white line, with the bike lane itself being six feet
    wide.

    Any others out there?

    brink

    check out the Ted Williams highway, also on the left coast just north
    of San Diego.

  4. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike lanes, clearly
    marked as such on the pavement itself. It was basically the shoulder
    demarcated with a solid white line, with the bike lane itself being six feet
    wide.

    Any others out there?

    Not designated bike lanes per se, but in the State of Washington, all
    freeway shoulders, including interstates, are open to bicycles except
    for a few segments in dense urban areas.

    I-90 is one of those segments that's closed to bicycles through Seattle
    and Bellevue; for much of that route there is an I-90 Bicycle Path
    paralleling the freeway, including the bridges across Lake Washington.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jputnam/2237245983/ shows the I-90 Bicycle
    Trail on the bridge heading into Seattle -- it continues through the
    I-90 tunnel into downtown Seattle.

    --
    [email hidden] is Joshua Putnam
    <http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
    Braze your own bicycle frames. See
    <http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/build.html>

  5. brink said:

    US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike lanes, clearly
    marked as such on the pavement itself. It was basically the shoulder
    demarcated with a solid white line, with the bike lane itself being six
    feet wide.

    Any others out there?

    Bikes are normally banned from freeways in CA, except where there's no
    reasonable alternative. In that case they must be allowed. There
    are only a few places in the CA where this is the case, such as the
    stretch of 101 along the coast you refer to. Most major highways are
    paralleled by old highways and frontage roads, except where constrained by
    geography.

    Another example is I-5 between Orange Co. and San Diego, where it passes
    through Camp Pendleton. The roads on the base paralleling I-5 have been
    open to bikes off and on, depending on the military's needs. I believe
    this has been closed since 9/11 so bikes have been pushed back onto I-5.
    There is no parallel route.

    Matt O.

  6. Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike lanes,
    clearly marked as such on the pavement itself. It was basically the
    shoulder demarcated with a solid white line, with the bike lane
    itself being six feet wide.

    Any others out there?

    Not designated bike lanes per se, but in the State of Washington, all
    freeway shoulders, including interstates, are open to bicycles except
    for a few segments in dense urban areas.

    There are some bridge crossings on expressways in Missouri. I've crossed (1)
    and (3), which are marked with signage but no lines on the pavement.

    (1) I-72 expressway from the last Missouri exit to the first Illinois exit
    near Hannibal. This is the result of lobbying by bike groups in the area,
    who otherwise would have no way to ride across the Mississippi River for
    many miles in either direction.

    (2) US 67 bridge across the Mississippi at Alton. IIRC, this is a bike lane.
    US 67 is limited access, but not a true expressway.

    (3) MO 367 expressway across the Missouri at St. Charles.

    (4) MO 364 expressway across the Missouri between St. Charles and Weldon
    Spring. I think this is a bike lane separated by a barrier.

    Bridge crossings are really a different category, of course.

  7. Matt O'Toole said:
    brink said:

    US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike lanes, clearly
    marked as such on the pavement itself. It was basically the shoulder
    demarcated with a solid white line, with the bike lane itself being six
    feet wide.

    Quoted message said:

    Any others out there?

    Bikes are normally banned from freeways in CA, except where there's no
    reasonable alternative. In that case they must be allowed. There
    are only a few places in the CA where this is the case, such as the
    stretch of 101 along the coast you refer to. Most major highways are
    paralleled by old highways and frontage roads, except where constrained by
    geography.

    Freeway access is not quite that restricted in California. According
    to the CVC, bicycles are allowed on freeway shoulders unless there are
    explicit signs prohibiting them. While most sections of the freeway
    system do have such signs, there are also many sections that are open
    to cyclists even where there are alternate routes. For example in
    response to an inquiry about using I-5 in Central California we
    received this response from CalTrans:
    "Thank you for requesting information about bicycling in California.
    Bicycle access is permitted on all conventional highways, most
    expressways,and approximately 25% of the freeway mileage statewide.
    Bicycle access is permitted on State Route 5 [I-5] from Lake Hughes
    Road in Castaic [northern LA county], California to Kasson Road near
    the City of Tracy [east of SF Bay area]."
    Note that this is almost a 270 mile long section of I-5 and most of
    that stretch does have adequate alternate roads available.

    Quoted message said:


    Another example is I-5 between Orange Co. and San Diego, where it passes
    through Camp Pendleton. The roads on the base paralleling I-5 have been
    open to bikes off and on, depending on the military's needs. I believe
    this has been closed since 9/11 so bikes have been pushed back onto I-5.
    There is no parallel route.

    Camp Pendleton was reopened to civilian bicyclists using the
    designated route through the base about 3 years ago. I-5 through the
    area of the base also remains accessible to cyclists using the
    shoulder.

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,
    "ZBicyclist" <[email hidden]> writes

    : said:
    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike lanes,
    clearly marked as such on the pavement itself. It was basically the
    shoulder demarcated with a solid white line, with the bike lane
    itself being six feet wide.

    Any others out there?

    Not designated bike lanes per se, but in the State of Washington, all
    freeway shoulders, including interstates, are open to bicycles except
    for a few segments in dense urban areas.

    There are some bridge crossings on expressways in Missouri. I've crossed (1)
    and (3), which are marked with signage but no lines on the pavement.

    (1) I-72 expressway from the last Missouri exit to the first Illinois exit
    near Hannibal. This is the result of lobbying by bike groups in the area,
    who otherwise would have no way to ride across the Mississippi River for

    many miles in either direction. said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike lanes,
    clearly marked as such on the pavement itself. It was basically the
    shoulder demarcated with a solid white line, with the bike lane
    itself being six feet wide.

    Any others out there?

    Not designated bike lanes per se, but in the State of Washington, all
    freeway shoulders, including interstates, are open to bicycles except
    for a few segments in dense urban areas.

    There are some bridge crossings on expressways in Missouri. I've crossed (1)
    and (3), which are marked with signage but no lines on the pavement.

    (1) I-72 expressway from the last Missouri exit to the first Illinois exit
    near Hannibal. This is the result of lobbying by bike groups in the area,
    who otherwise would have no way to ride across the Mississippi River for
    many miles in either direction.

    (2) US 67 bridge across the Mississippi at Alton. IIRC, this is a bike lane.
    US 67 is limited access, but not a true expressway.

    (3) MO 367 expressway across the Missouri at St. Charles.

    (4) MO 364 expressway across the Missouri between St. Charles and Weldon
    Spring. I think this is a bike lane separated by a barrier.

    Bridge crossings are really a different category, of course.

    In British Columbia, cyclists are pretty well relagated to
    the shoulders of highways, including freeways, when painted
    shoulders exist.

    As I understand it, we're not allowed on the freeway
    (the No. 1/TransCanada Hwy) between Vancouver and
    Abbotsford. We've gotta ride in the painted shoulders
    of the Lougheed Hwy (No. 7) until Mission, where we
    get to cross the bridge to Abbotsford, and then continue
    on to Hope on the freeway, where we ultimately get to
    scratch our heads, wondering where to go next.

    I've never done it myself, but I've heard scooting through
    the China Bar tunnel on the Fraser Canyon Hwy is a pretty
    gnarly experience.

    I imagine scooting through the Yale, Saddle Rock, Sailor Bar,
    Alexandra, Ferrabie and Hell's Gate tunnels would be
    noteworthy, too.

    Heck, just surviving the fog banks of Boston Bar and
    the instep of Jackass Mountain is noteworthy.

    The Fraser Canyon is an ugly, dark place. The sun rises
    too late and sets too soon. The folks who live there
    are surly, and deficient of solar vitamin D.
    They need a vacation.

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    I'm really at:
    tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  9. Quoted message said:

    I-90 is one of those segments that's closed to bicycles through Seattle
    and Bellevue; for much of that route there is an I-90 Bicycle Path
    paralleling the freeway, including the bridges across Lake Washington.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jputnam/2237245983/shows the I-90 Bicycle
    Trail on the bridge heading into Seattle -- it continues through the
    I-90 tunnel into downtown Seattle.

    I have some photos of the trail, too, over at:
    http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/commute2.html
    http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/commute3.html

    Warm Regards,

    Claire

  10. In the SF Peninsula we have bicycles with no separation from traffic
    lanes on I280 for two miles or so where SR35 (Skyline Blvd) merges
    with it. It has signs "Bicycles Must Exit" at the ends of the
    section.

    http://tinyurl.com/yo9uy6

    Jobst Brandt

  11. ZBicyclist aka Mike Kruger said:
    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike lanes,
    clearly marked as such on the pavement itself. It was basically the
    shoulder demarcated with a solid white line, with the bike lane
    itself being six feet wide.

    Any others out there?


    Not designated bike lanes per se, but in the State of Washington, all
    freeway shoulders, including interstates, are open to bicycles except
    for a few segments in dense urban areas.

    There are some bridge crossings on expressways in Missouri. I've crossed (1)
    and (3), which are marked with signage but no lines on the pavement.

    (1) I-72 expressway from the last Missouri exit to the first Illinois exit
    near Hannibal. This is the result of lobbying by bike groups in the area,
    who otherwise would have no way to ride across the Mississippi River for
    many miles in either direction.

    (2) US 67 bridge across the Mississippi at Alton. IIRC, this is a bike lane.
    US 67 is limited access, but not a true expressway.

    (3) MO 367 expressway across the Missouri at St. Charles.

    (4) MO 364 expressway across the Missouri between St. Charles and Weldon
    Spring. I think this is a bike lane separated by a barrier.

    Bridge crossings are really a different category, of course.


    Go to the Quad Cities some time. Five bridges across the Mississippi
    River, and only two are accessible to cyclists and pedestrians. 🙁

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

  12. Interstates in Oregon, except for in Portland, and maybe a few other
    cities. The Boone Bridge on I-5 is the only way to cross the
    Willamette River for miles in any direction.

    Tom Sherman said:
    ZBicyclist aka Mike Kruger said:
    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...
    > US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike lanes,
    > clearly marked as such on the pavement itself. It was basically the
    > shoulder demarcated with a solid white line, with the bike lane
    > itself being six feet wide.
    >
    > Any others out there?
    Not designated bike lanes per se, but in the State of Washington, all
    freeway shoulders, including interstates, are open to bicycles except
    for a few segments in dense urban areas.

    There are some bridge crossings on expressways in Missouri. I've crossed (1)
    and (3), which are marked with signage but no lines on the pavement.

    (1) I-72 expressway from the last Missouri exit to the first Illinois exit
    near Hannibal. This is the result of lobbying by bike groups in the area,
    who otherwise would have no way to ride across the Mississippi River for
    many miles in either direction.

    (2) US 67 bridge across the Mississippi at Alton. IIRC, this is a bike lane.
    US 67 is limited access, but not a true expressway.

    (3) MO 367 expressway across the Missouri at St. Charles.

    (4) MO 364 expressway across the Missouri between St. Charles and Weldon
    Spring. I think this is a bike lane separated by a barrier.

    Bridge crossings are really a different category, of course.


    Go to the Quad Cities some time. Five bridges across the Mississippi
    River, and only two are accessible to cyclists and pedestrians. 🙁

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

  13. ZBicyclist said:
    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike lanes,
    clearly marked as such on the pavement itself. It was basically the
    shoulder demarcated with a solid white line, with the bike lane
    itself being six feet wide.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Any others out there?

    Quoted message said:

    Not designated bike lanes per se, but in the State of Washington, all
    freeway shoulders, including interstates, are open to bicycles except
    for a few segments in dense urban areas.

    There are some bridge crossings on expressways in Missouri. I've crossed (1)
    and (3), which are marked with signage but no lines on the pavement.

    (1) I-72 expressway from the last Missouri exit to the first Illinois exit
    near Hannibal. This is the result of lobbying by bike groups in the area,
    who otherwise would have no way to ride across the Mississippi River for
    many miles in either direction.

    (2) US 67 bridge across the Mississippi at Alton. IIRC, this is a bike lane.
    US 67 is limited access, but not a true expressway.

    (3) MO 367 expressway across the Missouri at St. Charles.

    (4) MO 364 expressway across the Missouri between St. Charles and Weldon
    Spring. I think this is a bike lane separated by a barrier.

    Bridge crossings are really a different category, of course.

    Still not enough and wide bike lane available in U.S. Compare to
    Europe and other nation, U.S. is not bike nation. I saw in video
    in Bogota the capital city of Colombia they block the motor-vehicle
    in many streets in weekend for allowing only bikes. So you people
    talking about bike lane is U.S. is pure nonsense. There is no bike
    lane in U.S. Because U.S. is the most anti-bike nation in the world.
    It's only your liberal radical dream thinking U.S. has the plenty of
    the bike lane.

  14. Red Cloud <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    ZBicyclist said:
    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...
    > US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike lanes,
    > clearly marked as such on the pavement itself. It was basically
    > the shoulder demarcated with a solid white line, with the bike
    > lane itself being six feet wide.

    Quoted message said:

    > Any others out there?

    Quoted message said:

    Not designated bike lanes per se, but in the State of Washington,
    all freeway shoulders, including interstates, are open to bicycles
    except for a few segments in dense urban areas.

    There are some bridge crossings on expressways in Missouri. I've
    crossed (1) and (3), which are marked with signage but no lines on
    the pavement.

    (1) I-72 expressway from the last Missouri exit to the first Illinois
    exit near Hannibal. This is the result of lobbying by bike groups in
    the area, who otherwise would have no way to ride across the
    Mississippi River for many miles in either direction.

    (2) US 67 bridge across the Mississippi at Alton. IIRC, this is a
    bike lane. US 67 is limited access, but not a true expressway.

    (3) MO 367 expressway across the Missouri at St. Charles.

    (4) MO 364 expressway across the Missouri between St. Charles and
    Weldon Spring. I think this is a bike lane separated by a barrier.

    Bridge crossings are really a different category, of course.

    Still not enough and wide bike lane available in U.S. Compare to
    Europe and other nation, U.S. is not bike nation. I saw in video
    in Bogota the capital city of Colombia they block the motor-vehicle
    in many streets in weekend for allowing only bikes. So you people
    talking about bike lane is U.S. is pure nonsense. There is no bike
    lane in U.S. Because U.S. is the most anti-bike nation in the world.
    It's only your liberal radical dream thinking U.S. has the plenty of
    the bike lane.

    Where was it posted that bike lane is U.S.,
    or that US has the plenty of the bike lane?

    I think you read what see, but not see what the
    write is. There is bike lane but many not U.S.
    biker nation, so anti-bike in the world make
    dream think that video Bogota is the capital
    city motor-vehicle block many streets. I saw in
    Europe and other bike nation has the plenty in
    weekend of pure nonsense.

  15. Little Meow said:

    Red Cloud <[email hidden]> wrote innews:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    ZBicyclist said:

    [email hidden] wrote:
    > In article <[email hidden]>,
    > [email hidden] says...
    >> US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike lanes,
    >> clearly marked as such on the pavement itself. It was basically
    >> the shoulder demarcated with a solid white line, with the bike
    >> lane itself being six feet wide.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> Any others out there?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Not designated bike lanes per se, but in the State of Washington,
    > all freeway shoulders, including interstates, are open to bicycles
    > except for a few segments in dense urban areas.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    There are some bridge crossings on expressways in Missouri. I've
    crossed (1) and (3), which are marked with signage but no lines on
    the pavement.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (1) I-72 expressway from the last Missouri exit to the first Illinois
    exit near Hannibal. This is the result of lobbying by bike groups in
    the area, who otherwise would have no way to ride across the
    Mississippi River for many miles in either direction.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (2) US 67 bridge across the Mississippi at Alton. IIRC, this is a
    bike lane. US 67 is limited access, but not a true expressway.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (3) MO 367 expressway across the Missouri at St. Charles.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (4) MO 364 expressway across the Missouri between St. Charles and
    Weldon Spring. I think this is a bike lane separated by a barrier.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Bridge crossings are really a different category, of course.

    Quoted message said:

    Still not enough and wide bike lane available in U.S. Compare to
    Europe and other nation, U.S. is not bike nation. I saw in video
    in Bogota the capital city of Colombia they block the motor-vehicle
    in many streets in weekend for allowing only bikes. So you people
    talking about bike lane is U.S. is pure nonsense. There is no bike
    lane in U.S. Because U.S. is the most anti-bike nation in the world.
    It's only your liberal radical dream thinking U.S. has the plenty of
    the bike lane.

    Where was it posted that bike lane is U.S.,
    or that US has the plenty of the bike lane?

    I think you read what see, but not see what the
    write is. There is bike lane but many not U.S.
    biker nation, so anti-bike in the world make
    dream think that video Bogota is the capital
    city motor-vehicle block many streets. I saw in
    Europe and other bike nation has the plenty in
    weekend of pure nonsense.

    Don't troll stupid cat!
    There is no bike lane here. Get it. America
    has no bike lane. Just side little street for pedestrian painted
    with yellow line. That is not bike lane. That's a total faked.
    All the American street are for motor-vehicles. I saw the Bogota
    city street they do closed the motor-vehicle streets for
    bikes. This is simply impossible in Whitepenis NASCAR nation.

  16. Red Cloud <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Little Meow said:

    Red Cloud <[email hidden]> wrote
    innews:[email hidden]
    m:

    Quoted message said:

    On Mar 2, 4:14 pm, "ZBicyclist" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > [email hidden] wrote:
    > > In article <[email hidden]>,
    > > [email hidden] says...
    > >> US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike
    > >> lanes, clearly marked as such on the pavement itself. It was
    > >> basically the shoulder demarcated with a solid white line, with
    > >> the bike lane itself being six feet wide.

    Quoted message said:

    > >> Any others out there?

    Quoted message said:

    > > Not designated bike lanes per se, but in the State of
    > > Washington, all freeway shoulders, including interstates, are
    > > open to bicycles except for a few segments in dense urban areas.

    Quoted message said:

    > There are some bridge crossings on expressways in Missouri. I've
    > crossed (1) and (3), which are marked with signage but no lines on
    > the pavement.

    Quoted message said:

    > (1) I-72 expressway from the last Missouri exit to the first
    > Illinois exit near Hannibal. This is the result of lobbying by
    > bike groups in the area, who otherwise would have no way to ride
    > across the Mississippi River for many miles in either direction.

    Quoted message said:

    > (2) US 67 bridge across the Mississippi at Alton. IIRC, this is a
    > bike lane. US 67 is limited access, but not a true expressway.

    Quoted message said:

    > (3) MO 367 expressway across the Missouri at St. Charles.

    Quoted message said:

    > (4) MO 364 expressway across the Missouri between St. Charles and
    > Weldon Spring. I think this is a bike lane separated by a barrier.

    Quoted message said:

    > Bridge crossings are really a different category, of course.

    Quoted message said:

    Still not enough and wide bike lane available in U.S. Compare to
    Europe and other nation, U.S. is not bike nation. I saw in video
    in Bogota the capital city of Colombia they block the motor-vehicle
    in many streets in weekend for allowing only bikes. So you people
    talking about bike lane is U.S. is pure nonsense. There is no bike
    lane in U.S. Because U.S. is the most anti-bike nation in the
    world. It's only your liberal radical dream thinking U.S. has the
    plenty of the bike lane.

    Where was it posted that bike lane is U.S.,
    or that US has the plenty of the bike lane?

    I think you read what see, but not see what the
    write is. There is bike lane but many not U.S.
    biker nation, so anti-bike in the world make
    dream think that video Bogota is the capital
    city motor-vehicle block many streets. I saw in
    Europe and other bike nation has the plenty in
    weekend of pure nonsense.

    Don't troll stupid cat!
    There is no bike lane here. Get it. America
    has no bike lane. Just side little street for pedestrian painted
    with yellow line. That is not bike lane. That's a total faked.
    All the American street are for motor-vehicles. I saw the Bogota
    city street they do closed the motor-vehicle streets for
    bikes. This is simply impossible in Whitepenis NASCAR nation.

    Stop try to troll, you there!
    You need get out of bad anti-bike USA neighborhood and go to nation
    part where bike nation people of Whitepenis USA live and bike and
    sing while bike. There are lane on all new street and renovate street
    where I lived when I was Little Kitten. There was many bike and lane
    was white paint with diamond and giant "Bike Lane" letters. NASCAR
    and bike live together in those place that are not poison with
    Red Cloud cynicism.

  17. In the entire state of California it is legal for a cyclist to use the
    shoulder of the freeway IF NO OTHER FEASABLE ROAD EXISTS. It has been
    this way since 1976 when the Pacific Coast Bikecentennial Route was
    founded, as it was quickly discovered that many areas had become
    innaccessable to bicyclists due to the removal of surface roads for
    freeway construction.

    Safe to say, it you get on the onramp and the sign says "Pedestrians
    prohibited" but nothing else, ie; motor bikes, motor driven cycles, etc,
    you may ride the shoulder. There will be a sign on the freeway itself
    before the offramp saying "bicycles must exit" when this useable stretch
    ends.

    Note, when using the freeway shoulder, stay to the right half of the
    shoulder. You'll avoid a lot of the debris and won't be buffeted as much
    by passing trucks that way. Also, freeway traffic is still not entirely
    used to seeing cyclists of "their" freeways and won't be looking for or
    expecting to see you. When approaching an access ramp, slow down or even
    stop! Look to be sure there is no ocoming traffic that could make quick
    work of you. Remember, they don't expect bicyclists to be there. Many
    don't even know we are allowed!

    - -
    Compliments of:
    "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

    If you want to E-mail me use:
    ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net

    My website:
    http://geocities.com/czcorner

  18. From: [email hidden] (Matt O'Toole)

    Quoted message said:

    Another example is I-5 between Orange
    Co. and San Diego, where it passes
    through Camp Pendleton. The roads on
    the base paralleling I-5 have been open
    to bikes off and on, depending on the
    military's needs. I believe this has been
    closed since 9/11 so bikes have been
    pushed back onto I-5. There is no
    parallel route.

    Matt O.

    Longest section I know of is I-5 from Castaic almost to Bakersfield. I
    don't know exactly where the northern end is, I've only ridden it to a
    little past Grapevine But I do know it extends further.

    Oddly, you are allowed to remain on the freeway on the stretch between
    Gorman and Fort Tejon, even thought The Old Ridge Route runs right
    alongside! Personally, I preferred to take the Old Ridge the whole way
    south to Castaic. Much more peaceful.

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  19. It's Chris said:

    In the entire state of California it is legal for a cyclist to use the
    shoulder of the freeway IF NO OTHER FEASABLE ROAD EXISTS. It has been
    this way since 1976 when the Pacific Coast Bikecentennial Route was
    founded, as it was quickly discovered that many areas had become
    innaccessable to bicyclists due to the removal of surface roads for
    freeway construction.

    Safe to say, it you get on the onramp and the sign says "Pedestrians
    prohibited" but nothing else, ie; motor bikes, motor driven cycles, etc,
    you may ride the shoulder. There will be a sign on the freeway itself
    before the offramp saying "bicycles must exit" when this useable stretch
    ends.

    Note, when using the freeway shoulder, stay to the right half of the
    shoulder. You'll avoid a lot of the debris and won't be buffeted as much
    by passing trucks that way. Also, freeway traffic is still not entirely
    used to seeing cyclists of "their" freeways and won't be looking for or
    expecting to see you. When approaching an access ramp, slow down or even
    stop! Look to be sure there is no ocoming traffic that could make quick
    work of you. Remember, they don't expect bicyclists to be there. Many
    don't even know we are allowed!


    In Chicagoland riding on the shoulder would be very dangerous, since the
    shoulder is often used as a passing lane for people who find the 80 mph
    traffic in the other lanes too slow.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

  20. peter said:
    Matt O'Toole said:
    brink said:

    US 101, south of Seacliff, CA. Quite a few miles of bike lanes, clearly
    marked as such on the pavement itself. It was basically the shoulder
    demarcated with a solid white line, with the bike lane itself being six
    feet wide.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Any others out there?

    Quoted message said:

    Bikes are normally banned from freeways in CA, except where there's no
    reasonable alternative. In that case they must be allowed. There
    are only a few places in the CA where this is the case, such as the
    stretch of 101 along the coast you refer to. Most major highways are
    paralleled by old highways and frontage roads, except where constrained by
    geography.

    Freeway access is not quite that restricted in California. According
    to the CVC, bicycles are allowed on freeway shoulders unless there are
    explicit signs prohibiting them. While most sections of the freeway
    system do have such signs, there are also many sections that are open
    to cyclists even where there are alternate routes. For example in
    response to an inquiry about using I-5 in Central California we
    received this response from CalTrans:
    "Thank you for requesting information about bicycling in California.
    Bicycle access is permitted on all conventional highways, most
    expressways,and approximately 25% of the freeway mileage statewide.
    Bicycle access is permitted on State Route 5 [I-5] from Lake Hughes
    Road in Castaic [northern LA county], California to Kasson Road near
    the City of Tracy [east of SF Bay area]."
    Note that this is almost a 270 mile long section of I-5 and most of
    that stretch does have adequate alternate roads available.

    In Whitepenis NASCAR nation, bike ride in freeway is simply
    impossible. The quote from CalTran is [censored]. It is not their official
    policy. Try ride bike I-5 Freeways. Not only you get citation,
    you might be arrested for meddling with traffic flow. You might end up
    in jail. CalTran quote is a piece of bureaucrat lie and even
    propaganda. They don't allow bike on any Freeways Whitepenis Nation.
    What an utter nonsense to suggest riding a
    bike in NASCAR Freeway!!!

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