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  1. Original post
    Mike Vandeman
    Archived post
    #1

    Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
    else? 🙂

    Mike

    From: Ted Stroll <[email hidden]>
    Subject: Wilderness Q&A

    Everyone,

    I'm planning to write an article for the ROMP newsletter on mountain
    biking and federal Wilderness, i.e., why we can't ride there. It's
    basically a legal issue, though, of course, there are political
    aspects that affect the legal background.

    I'm planning to do the article in question-and-answer format. At first
    I was going to write my own questions and answer them, and I still
    will, but I thought I should also invite your questions. You're likely
    to think of questions that wouldn't occur to me.

    So if you have a question, please send it to me and I'll see if I can
    incorporate it in the article.

    Here are some examples of possible questions: When did the Wilderness
    ban take effect? How much Wilderness is there in the U.S.? What's the
    main law that says no biking in Wilderness? How can this law or these
    laws be changed? Is there any likelihood I'll ever be able to ride in
    Wilderness? Please feel free to ask these or any other questions you
    have.

    Ted
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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  2. Beej Jorgensen
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    #2
    Mike Vandeman said:

    Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
    else? 🙂

    They can, I assure you! I personally walked just today.

    -Beej

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  3. Siskuwihane
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    #3
    Mike Vandeman said:

    Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
    else? 🙂

    Mike

    Probably for the same reason enviromentalists can't take a sailboat to
    an international conference.

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  4. bluezfolk
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    #4
    Siskuwihane said:
    Mike Vandeman said:

    Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
    else? 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Mike

    Probably for the same reason enviromentalists can't take a sailboat to
    an international conference.

    Great answer:-)

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  5. Jeff Strickland
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    #5

    "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
    else? 🙂

    Mike

    Everybody else does not walk, some ride bikes, some ride horses, some drive
    (the slower the better).

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  6. Archived post
    #6

    "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
    else? 🙂

    Mike

    Because they are wearing strange shoes!

    hehe
    tomov

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  7. Email address hidden
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    #7

    If you put as much energy into hiking and walking yourself as you do
    flapping your gums and copying other's articles, you could do the
    atlantic to pacific in record time...

    Do other people here realize our Berkley "environmental" dietary hero,
    mike, was a coward from the military??

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  8. Archived post
    #8

    <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    If you put as much energy into hiking and walking yourself as you do
    flapping your gums and copying other's articles, you could do the
    atlantic to pacific in record time...

    Do other people here realize our Berkley "environmental" dietary hero,
    mike, was a coward from the military??

    You are offtopic - just like mike.

    /tomov

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  9. Email address hidden
    Archived post
    #9
    Quoted message said:

    <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelsenews:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    If you put as much energy into hiking and walking yourself as you do
    flapping your gums and copying other's articles, you could do the
    atlantic to pacific in record time...

    Quoted message said:

    Do other people here realize our Berkley "environmental" dietary hero,
    mike, was a coward from the military??

    You are offtopic - just like mike.

    /tomov

    Oh yeah...sorry. I mentioned the fact his original post, which is
    always unoriginal because if you look...it is all someone elses
    research, posts, letters, etc. Nothing is ever "HIS" material.

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  10. Mike Vandeman
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    #10
    Beej Jorgensen said:
    Mike Vandeman said:

    Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
    else? 🙂

    They can, I assure you! I personally walked just today.

    -Beej

    Then what you all have been saying about not being allowed in various
    parks & Wildernesses is a LIE: you DO have access, because you can
    WALK.
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

    Report
  11. Mike Vandeman
    Archived post
    #11
    email hidden said:

    If you put as much energy into hiking and walking yourself as you do
    flapping your gums and copying other's articles, you could do the
    atlantic to pacific in record time...

    Do other people here realize our Berkley "environmental" dietary hero,
    mike, was a coward from the military??

    Nonsense. The government decided the country would be better off with
    me finishing my degree, like all the other people who got deferments.
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

    Report
  12. Tom Sherman
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    #12
    Quoted message said:

    "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, I have a question: Why can't mountain bikers walk, like everybody
    else? 🙂

    Mike

    Because they are wearing strange shoes!


    No, you are thinking about "road" cyclists who insist on silly cleats
    and pedals.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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  13. Email address hidden
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    #13


    Quoted message said:


    Nonsense. The government decided the country would be better off with
    me finishing my degree, like all the other people who got deferments.
    --

    LoL...just what the country needed at that time. Another Chef. I know
    more about you than you could ever imagine. Trust me folks. I have
    called it all so far, he's a fraud and a joke. Even to his own
    community and others opposing MtBers, he is not respected. Oh, by the
    way...I thought you didn't read my posts! Berkley rear rider...mikey.

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  14. Email address hidden
    Archived post
    #14

    On Feb 29, 11:55 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Nonsense. The government decided the country would be better off with
    me finishing my degree, like all the other people who got deferments.
    --

    LoL...just what the country needed at that time. Another Chef. I know
    more about you than you could ever imagine. Trust me folks. I have
    called it all so far, he's a fraud and a joke. Even to his own
    community and others opposing MtBers, he is not respected. Oh, by the
    way...I thought you didn't read my posts! Berkley rear rider...mikey.

    Mr. PHD (Pile it Higher and Deeper) I will gladly help you with your
    venture (wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help?)

    Anyone else willing to help? We can all meet Mike with our bikes and
    ride while he hikes to survey the areas that he has in mind for his
    cause. Keep in mind Mike if we ride we will be able to speed of the
    process. The reason we ride, speed and thrills.

    Report
  15. Beej Jorgensen
    Archived post
    #15
    Mike Vandeman said:

    Then what you all have been saying about not being allowed in various
    parks & Wildernesses is a LIE: you DO have access, because you can
    WALK.

    Ok. Mountain bikers should have the same access as hikers to all these
    areas. Let's put that on a proposal right now to ebparks.

    Then you can go to them and say, "Yeah, but I mean only mountain bikers
    who are hiking." And there can be a blustery debate.

    What exactly did happen with you and Sierra Club, Mike? Wait! Don't
    answer that; let me go get a PBJ first.

    -Beej

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  16. Email address hidden
    Archived post
    #16


    Quoted message said:

    What exactly did happen with you and Sierra Club, Mike?  Wait!  Don't
    answer that; let me go get a PBJ first.

    -Beej

    LoL...at least we got to the bottom of the PhD...he stayed in college
    as long as possible to avoid VIetnam...lol. In fact, he entered for
    the sole purpose to avoid but he will never fess up on all those
    facts. It was nice to see him at least openly say he did attend while
    the war was going on..."but his country decided he was better off
    finishing his degree..." lol. Whatever mikey. anyway you spell it, you
    remain a fraud.

    Onto the Mtbing, etc. Yesterday, I went for a pretty extensive hike at
    a local state park...cold and wintry with lotsa snow. He chose to hike
    it. It was a strenuous hike and it got me thinking...If Mtbs were gone
    from the picture...would mikey go after cross country skiers?
    snowshoers? etc? I firmly believe he would go after whoever he could,
    because Bi-Polars like Mikey with personality disorders, like Mikey
    has...will never be content. There will always be that need for
    conflict and drama. Another interesting fact came to mind on the hike
    and we talked about this on our trip. There were signs of snowmobiles
    on several of the trails. I don't like sleds in general but we talked
    about how giving them access to certain areas of the park probably
    generates some revenue thus allowing for freedom of use at other times
    for us hikers or whoever. We don't have a fee to pay going into the
    park...etc. Which we believe will be just around the corner. But it
    was just an interesting thought.

    Personally, If I felt a admittance fee would help finance trail
    maintenance, upkeep, offset general costs, etc. I would be more than
    happy...but in this day and age when we should be investing back home
    for the people...it is sad to see these projects and parks pushed to
    the back of the table and budgets cut so the uppers can stuff their
    pockets with oil profits.

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  17. Mike Vandeman
    Archived post
    #17
    Quoted message said:

    On Feb 29, 11:55 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Nonsense. The government decided the country would be better off with
    me finishing my degree, like all the other people who got deferments.
    --

    LoL...just what the country needed at that time. Another Chef. I know
    more about you than you could ever imagine. Trust me folks. I have
    called it all so far, he's a fraud and a joke. Even to his own
    community and others opposing MtBers, he is not respected. Oh, by the
    way...I thought you didn't read my posts! Berkley rear rider...mikey.

    Mr. PHD (Pile it Higher and Deeper) I will gladly help you with your
    venture (wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help?)

    Anyone else willing to help? We can all meet Mike with our bikes and
    ride while he hikes to survey the areas that he has in mind for his
    cause. Keep in mind Mike if we ride we will be able to speed of the
    process. The reason we ride, speed and thrills.

    Thanks for demonstrating just how idiotic mountain bikers are. Not
    that we needed any more proof than we already had.
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

    Report
  18. Mike Vandeman
    Archived post
    #18

    On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:44:57 +0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Mike Vandeman said:

    Then what you all have been saying about not being allowed in various
    parks & Wildernesses is a LIE: you DO have access, because you can
    WALK.

    Ok. Mountain bikers should have the same access as hikers to all these
    areas. Let's put that on a proposal right now to ebparks.

    Then you can go to them and say, "Yeah, but I mean only mountain bikers
    who are hiking." And there can be a blustery debate.

    Only among idiots like you, who can't think.

    Quoted message said:

    What exactly did happen with you and Sierra Club, Mike? Wait! Don't
    answer that; let me go get a PBJ first.

    -Beej


    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

    Report
  19. Mike Vandeman
    Archived post
    #19
    email hidden said:


    Quoted message said:

    What exactly did happen with you and Sierra Club, Mike?  Wait!  Don't
    answer that; let me go get a PBJ first.

    -Beej

    LoL...at least we got to the bottom of the PhD...he stayed in college
    as long as possible to avoid VIetnam...lol. In fact, he entered for
    the sole purpose to avoid but he will never fess up on all those
    facts. It was nice to see him at least openly say he did attend while
    the war was going on..."but his country decided he was better off
    finishing his degree..." lol. Whatever mikey. anyway you spell it, you
    remain a fraud.

    Onto the Mtbing, etc. Yesterday, I went for a pretty extensive hike at
    a local state park...cold and wintry with lotsa snow. He chose to hike
    it. It was a strenuous hike and it got me thinking...If Mtbs were gone
    from the picture...would mikey go after cross country skiers?
    snowshoers? etc? I firmly believe he would go after whoever he could,
    because Bi-Polars like Mikey with personality disorders, like Mikey
    has...will never be content. There will always be that need for
    conflict and drama. Another interesting fact came to mind on the hike
    and we talked about this on our trip. There were signs of snowmobiles
    on several of the trails. I don't like sleds in general but we talked
    about how giving them access to certain areas of the park probably
    generates some revenue thus allowing for freedom of use at other times
    for us hikers or whoever. We don't have a fee to pay going into the
    park...etc. Which we believe will be just around the corner. But it
    was just an interesting thought.

    Personally, If I felt a admittance fee would help finance trail
    maintenance, upkeep, offset general costs, etc. I would be more than
    happy...but in this day and age when we should be investing back home
    for the people...it is sad to see these projects and parks pushed to
    the back of the table and budgets cut so the uppers can stuff their
    pockets with oil profits.

    Did you say something? I didn't think so.
    --
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

    Report
  20. Email address hidden
    Archived post
    #20

    Yep, just as expected...nothing new or original. In fact...not even
    any new thoughts, similar to all your copied articles. As usual...you
    have nothing to say.

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