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  1. I had a brainstorm which I need to confirm with the more experienced
    riders: If I live in a flat area but want to prepare for hilly riding
    conditions, would any of the following tricks be of any use?

    ~ fitting a drag brake and setting it to drag just enough to feel, and
    leave it on for a few miles here and there

    ~ letting some air out of the tire, riding it softer than usual

    ~ putting some weight in a backpack (or on the frame of the uni)

    I know that for the RTL qualifying rides there is a mileage factor to
    compensate for lack of mountains, but I can't help thinking that riding
    a few extra miles isn't quite the same, and when I hit a real mountain
    incline I won't really be ready for it. Would any of the above
    techniques do me any good for this purpose? (or is there something
    else I haven't thought of)

    Some options I considered but crossed off the list because they'd be
    impractical for me: riding against the wind all day, traveling to a
    hilly spot to practice.

    Thanks for any advice!

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  2. I think any of those would work, especially the drag brake.
    Another thing you could do is ride with a small parachute in tow, some
    runners do this for resistance training. it might throw your ballance
    off a bit though.

    The best thing to do would be to find a really big hill and ride it
    over and over again.

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  3. Hill climbing doesn't only require exerting yourself more. You also
    have to pedal on an incline. So, your pedals line up differently when
    you climb, and so does your body.

    I think your ideas will make you stronger and more ready to climb
    hills, but the only way to improve your hill -technique- is to actually
    ride on hills.

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  4. if you have a treadmill maybe set it to the hill setting and ride on it?

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  5. Your first suggestion should definitely help with the fitness level,
    though it may lead to stinky brakes.

    Your second suggestion will probably just annoy you and wear out your
    tires faster.

    Your third suggestion might be good in terms of balance training, but
    probably won't have any effect in terms of riding hills.

    There is no substitute to actually riding hills, and the best thing you
    can do is go find some. I have the same problem, living in the Central
    Valley it's very flat, nothing like the larger group of Bay area riders
    who mostly have hills right out the door. I have to drive half an hour
    or more to get to "real" hills. Depending where in the Detroit area you
    are, there must be something you can head for, at least some of the
    time. When in doubt, ride around where the rich people live; Bloomfield
    and Beverly Hills. Or a little farther north, around the lakes there
    are plenty of hills, though they're not mountains. For best results,
    talk to your local road bikers. Ask around in the bike shops that cater
    to roadies and they can probably hook you up with route maps or web
    sites.

    A drag brake won't simulate the narrower range of balance you have when
    riding uphill, or any of the psychological factors of dealing with long
    or steep climbs. Also there's no good way to simulate the downhill, and
    that takes getting used to as well.

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  6. A good headwind is the next closest thing. Don't pass up the windy
    days.

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  7. Do you live in an absolutely flat area? No little hills at all?

    If there are any little hills, find the steepest paths up them, and
    ride them repeatedly without stopping. That's good hill training that
    is.

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  8. Although maybe not the safest place to ride, you might try a local car
    parkade that has numerous levels with lots of ramps.

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  9. tomblackwood said:

    A good headwind is the next closest thing. Don't pass up the windy
    days.

    Tom's right. When you're training hard on a unicycle, don't pass
    wind.

    The thing about riding up hill is that the wheel doesn't roll so much
    with momentum. On the flat, once you are rolling along, you can keep
    spinning smoothly. On a hill, at the weak part of the pedal stroke,
    the wheel slows down. Therefore, riding up hill is a series of
    deliberate accelerations and forced decelerations.

    The nearest equivalent is riding into a strong headwind.

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  10. I think the parashoot would force you to lean forward more, partially
    simulating a hill. The slightest gust could throw you off though (like
    a care driving by).

    For strength, riding standing up for long periods should work, or an
    UW.

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  11. Big thanks to everyone who offered comments. I anticipated that nothing
    can substitute for the real thing, I just wanted to see how useful my
    ideas might be otherwise.

    Parachute? I have trouble imagining any parachute that would stay open
    and offer any resistance at the speeds of a runner or a unicyclist.

    There are numerous small-scale hills I could get to. I guess they'll
    have to do. I was hoping not to have to do it though, because my work
    schedule makes it hard to fit in anything that requires some driving
    time to get to. (in addition to the fatigue factor: I drive a few
    hundred miles a day while on the job, I don't want to drive anymore
    when I'm not working. This is the only time I envy office workers)

    Mikefule said:

    When you're training hard on a unicycle, don't pass wind.

    If I were the kind who collects quotes to put in a sig line this would
    have to go there. 😄

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  12. Practice with 89mm cranks. Even on slightly steep terrain you will feel
    much more resistance. That's like swinging two bats, then one seems
    easy.

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  13. MuniAddict said:

    Practice with 89mm cranks. Even on slightly steep terrain you will feel
    much more resistance. That's like swinging two bats, then one seems
    easy.

    I think that's good advice. I recently got some 110s, and after a few
    rides on them, my 130s felt like "muni cranks".

    To stray only slightly off topic, I've been trying to work my way down
    to shorter and shorter cranks. One of the things I've tried to do each
    time I shorten is go back to the steepest hills I could do on the
    longer size and try climbing them until I can do it reliably without
    falling. I started with 150s, then went up briefly to 170s, then back
    to 150s, then 140s, then 130s, and now just recently 110s. I was able
    to get my 140s up everything I could on my 150s. I was able to get my
    130s up -almost- everything I could do on my 140s. Generally I could
    get up all the same short/steeps, but it was the long sustained climbs
    (3/4 mile plus) that got me. I'm less efficient on the shorter cranks
    while climbing. Now on the 110s, I haven't started testing them on my
    favorite climbs yet. I've done some rollers, but have deliberately
    tried to focus on just getting comfortable on the buggers. They seem
    really short, and they scare me on any significant downhill. And on
    uphills, it seems like even the slightest grade has me standing up and
    using the handle. So back to Terry's point, yup short cranks make small
    hills bigger.

    But the best thing about his advice to practice on 89-ers is that maybe
    you'll just get so good you never switch back longer.

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