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  1. I am an herb ninny.

    I am thinking about getting a flu shot. I am 58 years old, and the last time I got the flu, about
    3 years ago, I hurt so bad I wanted to ***die***. The next time I get the flu will most certainly
    not be even less pleasurable. What are the pros and cons of flu shots? I have heard nothing
    negative and lots positive about the flu shot. My 88 year old mother and 92 year old aunt have
    been getting flu shoots for decades, and they seem to have not been hurt by flu shots. My Auntie
    is in perfect health.

    Thank you in advance.

  2. Quoted message said:

    I am an herb ninny.

    I am thinking about getting a flu shot. I am 58 years old, and the last time I got the flu, about
    3 years ago, I hurt so bad I wanted to ***die***. The next time I get the flu will most certainly
    not be even less pleasurable. What are the pros and cons of flu shots? I have heard nothing
    negative and lots positive about the flu shot. My 88 year old mother and 92 year old aunt have
    been getting flu shoots for decades, and they seem to have not been hurt by flu shots. My Auntie
    is in perfect health.

    I don't see a problem with it. Actually, I'd get a flu shot myself if I didn't get sick with some
    other mild ailment this time of year; allergies and stuff act up with the high winds, so I never get
    over to get one. My husband has been getting them for the past 10 years or so and has never had any
    adverse effects from them.

    Kimmer kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom

  3. "hotmoon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I am an herb ninny.

    I am thinking about getting a flu shot. I am 58 years old, and the last time I got the flu, about
    3 years ago, I hurt so bad I wanted to ***die***. The next time I get the flu will most certainly
    not be even less pleasurable. What are the pros and cons of flu shots? I have heard nothing
    negative and lots positive about the flu shot. My 88 year old mother and 92 year old aunt have
    been getting flu shoots for decades, and they seem to have not been hurt by flu shots. My Auntie
    is in perfect health.

    Thank you in advance.

    Several years ago I made the dumb mistake of foregoing a flu shot. As a result, I got the flu, which
    I treated like a bad cold, and it turned into penumonia.

    I was so sick that I had a recurrence of malaria that I had when I was 20.

    Being sick is for the young. I have already had my flu shot.

    I was 1st on line.

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    hotmoon said:

    I am an herb ninny.

    I am thinking about getting a flu shot. I am 58 years old, and the last time I got the flu, about
    3 years ago, I hurt so bad I wanted to ***die***. The next time I get the flu will most certainly
    not be even less pleasurable. What are the pros and cons of flu shots? I have heard nothing
    negative and lots positive about the flu shot. My 88 year old mother and 92 year old aunt have
    been getting flu shoots for decades, and they seem to have not been hurt by flu shots. My Auntie
    is in perfect health.

    Pro: may keep you from getting the flu. May lessen the severity of the flu if you get it anyway. Not
    very expensive. Low risk. Can't give you the flu, since it doesn't contain the whole virus.

    Con: may make your arm a bit sore. Might not work.

    I haven't gotten mine yet, but I will.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
    correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  5. "hotmoon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am an herb ninny.

    I am thinking about getting a flu shot. I am 58 years old, and the last time I got the flu, about
    3 years ago, I hurt so bad I wanted to ***die***. The next time I get the flu will most certainly
    not be even less pleasurable. What are the pros and cons of flu shots? I have heard nothing
    negative and lots positive about the flu shot. My 88 year old mother and 92 year old aunt have
    been getting flu shoots for decades, and they seem to have not been hurt by flu shots. My Auntie
    is in perfect health.

    Thank you in advance.

    I get a flu shot every year. I got mine for this year on October 1, and I had a fever and felt a
    little ill for two or three days afterwards. That was the first time that that has happened to me. I
    was delighted, because that sick feeling was a sure sign that my immune system had encountered a
    strain of influenza that it had never seen before, and was busy making a supply of antibodies that
    will stay in my body to protect me when the live virus of that flu comes along to try to invade.

    In other words, the flu shot has strengthened my immune system, a benefit so often promised and so
    seldom delivered by alternative medicine products.

    For some good information about the flu shot, look here:

    nlm.nih.gov002025.htm

    --Rich

  6. I find that that the lump left after the jab is tender for a while.. Tetanus is another thing...
    *ouch* Anth

    "hotmoon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am an herb ninny.

    I am thinking about getting a flu shot. I am 58 years old, and the last time I got the flu, about
    3 years ago, I hurt so bad I wanted to ***die***. The next time I get the flu will most certainly
    not be even less pleasurable. What are the pros and cons of flu shots? I have heard nothing
    negative and lots positive about the flu shot. My 88 year old mother and 92 year old aunt have
    been getting flu shoots for decades, and they seem to have not been hurt by flu shots. My Auntie
    is in perfect health.

    Thank you in advance.

  7. If someone could show me how to obliterate the herpes virus from my body I would be most
    grateful. Anth

    "hotmoon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am an herb ninny.

    I am thinking about getting a flu shot. I am 58 years old, and the last time I got the flu, about
    3 years ago, I hurt so bad I wanted to ***die***. The next time I get the flu will most certainly
    not be even less pleasurable. What are the pros and cons of flu shots? I have heard nothing
    negative and lots positive about the flu shot. My 88 year old mother and 92 year old aunt have
    been getting flu shoots for decades, and they seem to have not been hurt by flu shots. My Auntie
    is in perfect health.

    Thank you in advance.

  8. If you do come down with flu I've read that vitamin c is good for hastening it's departure. Whether
    or not it works is another kettle of fish? Anth

    "hotmoon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am an herb ninny.

    I am thinking about getting a flu shot. I am 58 years old, and the last time I got the flu, about
    3 years ago, I hurt so bad I wanted to ***die***. The next time I get the flu will most certainly
    not be even less pleasurable. What are the pros and cons of flu shots? I have heard nothing
    negative and lots positive about the flu shot. My 88 year old mother and 92 year old aunt have
    been getting flu shoots for decades, and they seem to have not been hurt by flu shots. My Auntie
    is in perfect health.

    Thank you in advance.

  9. "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "hotmoon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I am an herb ninny.

    I am thinking about getting a flu shot. I am 58 years old, and the last time I got the flu,
    about 3 years ago, I hurt so bad I wanted to ***die***. The next time I get the flu will most
    certainly not be even less pleasurable. What are the pros and cons of flu shots? I have heard
    nothing negative and lots positive about the flu shot. My 88 year old mother and 92 year old
    aunt have been getting flu shoots for decades, and they seem to have not been hurt by flu shots.
    My Auntie is in perfect health.

    Thank you in advance.

    I get a flu shot every year. I got mine for this year on October 1, and I had a fever and felt a
    little ill for two or three days afterwards. That


    was

    Quoted message said:

    the first time that that has happened to me. I was delighted, because that sick feeling was a sure
    sign that my immune system had encountered a


    strain

    Quoted message said:

    of influenza that it had never seen before, and was busy making a supply


    of

    Quoted message said:

    antibodies that will stay in my body to protect me when the live virus of that flu comes along to
    try to invade.

    In other words, the flu shot has strengthened my immune system, a benefit


    so

    Quoted message said:

    often promised and so seldom delivered by alternative medicine products.

    For some good information about the flu shot, look here:

    nlm.nih.gov002025.htm

    --Rich


    I too have been getting a flu shot for years with no ill effects until this year. I was FLATTENED
    and still feel woozy a few hours every day.

  10. "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "hotmoon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am an herb ninny.

    I am thinking about getting a flu shot. I am 58 years old, and the last time I got the flu,
    about 3 years ago, I hurt so bad I wanted to ***die***. The next time I get the flu will most
    certainly not be even less pleasurable. What are the pros and cons of flu shots? I have heard
    nothing negative and lots positive about the flu shot. My 88 year old mother and 92 year old
    aunt have been getting flu shoots for decades, and they seem to have not been hurt by flu shots.
    My Auntie is in perfect health.

    Thank you in advance.

    I get a flu shot every year. I got mine for this year on October 1, and I had a fever and felt a
    little ill for two or three days afterwards. That was the first time that that has happened to me.
    I was delighted, because that sick feeling was a sure sign that my immune system had encountered a
    strain of influenza that it had never seen before, and was busy making a supply of antibodies that
    will stay in my body to protect me when the live virus of that flu comes along to try to invade.

    In other words, the flu shot has strengthened my immune system,

    Strengthen your immune system? Are you sure about that?

    By the way, how do you see or feel that your immune system is being strengthen?

    Since, you said that, pls enlighten us on this immune system subject.

    a benefit so

    Quoted message said:

    often promised and so seldom delivered by alternative medicine products.

    Before, you made this sort of remarks, tell us more on your 'feeling' of the immune system you are
    talking about.

    Danny Yang

    Quoted message said:


    For some good information about the flu shot, look here:

    nlm.nih.gov002025.htm

    --Rich

  11. Anth said:

    If someone could show me how to obliterate the herpes virus from my body I would be most
    grateful. Anth

    Remove root ganglia where virus resides.
    --
    Take out the G'RBAGE to reply
    [email hidden]

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    Quoted message said:

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

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    Quoted message said:


    I get a flu shot every year. I got mine for this year on October 1, and


    I

    Quoted message said:
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    had a fever and felt a little ill for two or three days afterwards. That


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the first time that that has happened to me. I was delighted, because


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    sick feeling was a sure sign that my immune system had encountered a


    strain

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of influenza that it had never seen before, and was busy making a supply


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    antibodies that will stay in my body to protect me when the live virus


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that flu comes along to try to invade.

    In other words, the flu shot has strengthened my immune system,

    Strengthen your immune system? Are you sure about that?

    Yes, I am absolutely sure about that. When you catch a cold, or get the flu, your immune system's
    leukocytes (white blood cells) latch on to some of the viruses and design proteins that are exactly
    the right shape to stick onto the surface of the virus. These proteins, called antibodies, are then
    manufactured released into the bloodstream as fast as the immune system can make them. The
    antibodies then latch onto the viruses that they find, which prevents the viruses from entering your
    body's cells, and also marks the virus so that other white blood cells, called macrophages, can
    recognize them and break them down into material that your body can eliminate.

    The initial phase of this process, the design and manufacture of a new kind of antibody specific for
    this particular virus, takes time. And until your blood has enough of these antibodies to fight off
    the virus, you are sick. After you get well, you still have the antibodies in your blood, so if more
    of those viruses get into your body, the antibodies immediately kill them off, and you don't become
    ill at all. You are said to be "immune" to that disease. The antibodies don't last forever, though,
    and eventually, you will not have enough of them to protect you. Fortunately, your immune system
    keeps a kind of library of all the special antibodies it has designed. So your immune system is
    "strengthened," and when that virus shows up again, the white-cell antibody factories can get right
    to work making more antibodies to fight it off. If you get sick at all, the disease will be milder
    and you will get well more quickly.

    Quoted message said:


    By the way, how do you see or feel that your immune system is being strengthen?

    When you get vaccinated, you are given viruses that have been disabled or killed so that they cannot
    actually give you the disease, but your body still designs the new antibody and realeases it into
    the blood, and stores the design in its library of special white cells called B-lymphocytes. Thus
    you become immune without having to suffer through the disease. The fever and mild sick feeling that
    I experienced after my flu shot were caused by my immune system, not by the virus directly. Often,
    your immune system can produce this immune state without even this mild reaction, so that you do not
    see or feel your immune system being strengthened. But it has been.

    Quoted message said:


    Since, you said that, pls enlighten us on this immune system subject.

    A complete description of the immune system and how it works would fill a few shelves full of books.
    You could spend your life studying the immune system; immunologists do just that. I'm not an
    immunologist, so I could not "enlighten" you to that extent, but if you have any questions about
    immunity, I'll be glad to try to answer them.

    Quoted message said:


    a benefit so

    Quoted message said:

    often promised and so seldom delivered by alternative medicine products.

    Before, you made this sort of remarks, tell us more on your 'feeling' of the immune system you are
    talking about.

    I prefer to acquire KNOWLEDGE about such things as the immune system. "Feeling" is emotional
    behavior, and applies only in the sense that I feel better when I know about how things like the
    immune system work.

    --Rich

  13. "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "yansimon52" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

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    Quoted message said:


    I get a flu shot every year. I got mine for this year on October 1, and


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    had a fever and felt a little ill for two or three days afterwards. That


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the first time that that has happened to me. I was delighted, because


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    sick feeling was a sure sign that my immune system had encountered a


    strain

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of influenza that it had never seen before, and was busy making a supply


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    antibodies that will stay in my body to protect me when the live virus


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that flu comes along to try to invade.

    In other words, the flu shot has strengthened my immune system,

    Strengthen your immune system? Are you sure about that?

    Yes, I am absolutely sure about that. When you catch a cold, or get the flu, your immune system's
    leukocytes (white blood cells) latch on to some of the viruses and design proteins that are
    exactly the right shape to stick onto the surface of the virus. These proteins, called antibodies,
    are then manufactured released into the bloodstream as fast as the immune system can make them.
    The antibodies then latch onto the viruses that they find, which prevents the viruses from
    entering your body's cells, and also marks the virus so that other white blood cells, called
    macrophages, can recognize them and break them down into material that your body can eliminate.

    The initial phase of this process, the design and manufacture of a new kind of antibody specific
    for this particular virus, takes time. And until your blood has enough of these antibodies to
    fight off the virus, you are sick. After you get well, you still have the antibodies in your
    blood, so if more of those viruses get into your body, the antibodies immediately kill them off,
    and you don't become ill at all. You are said to be "immune" to that disease. The antibodies don't
    last forever, though, and eventually, you will not have enough of them to protect you.
    Fortunately, your immune system keeps a kind of library of all the special antibodies it has
    designed. So your immune system is "strengthened," and when that virus shows up again, the white-
    cell antibody factories can get right to work making more antibodies to fight it off. If you get
    sick at all, the disease will be milder and you will get well more quickly.

    Well. the wayyou sound, medical science is pretty sure in getting a cure for the aids virus!

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    By the way, how do you see or feel that your immune system is being strengthen?

    When you get vaccinated, you are given viruses that have been disabled or killed so that they
    cannot actually give you the disease, but your body still designs the new antibody and realeases
    it into the blood, and stores the design in its library of special white cells called B-
    lymphocytes. Thus you become immune without having to suffer through the disease. The fever and
    mild sick feeling that I experienced after my flu shot were caused by my immune system, not by the
    virus directly. Often, your immune system can produce this immune state without even this mild
    reaction, so that you do not see or feel your immune system being strengthened. But it has been.

    Hey rich, the 'measurring' of the immune system is about 'how fast is the healing' not only on a flu
    virus as mentioned by you. There are other factors in measurring the immune system, such as, a
    bruise on the leg's area, due to a fall and when, one's immune system is as 'vibrant', the bruise
    (thru self internal healing) goes away in 2 to 3 days time, instead of weeks.

    What you had said on 'something' a kind of 'impurities' (according to holistic interpretation, on
    thing 'foreign'or 'alien' being injected into a warn blooded sacred body system) being injected into
    the body system, just to serve the purpose of fight-off those flu viruses, is not exactly what you
    are talking about immune system.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    Since, you said that, pls enlighten us on this immune system subject.

    A complete description of the immune system and how it works would fill a few shelves full of
    books. You could spend your life studying the immune system; immunologists do just that. I'm not
    an immunologist, so I could not "enlighten" you to that extent, but if you have any questions
    about immunity, I'll be glad to try to answer them.

    Yea, medical science with all those electronic gadgets couls measure one's blood count and so on.
    Overhere, in our type of oriental measuring on one's health is about looking at patient's urine (ie.
    its milkyness, its urination frequences and control), appetite and its end product in 'passing
    motion' (ie. whether its watery or harden. Long or short excreta or whether there are blood stain on
    it). In fact our type of health check-up need not have to go thru complicated electronic device as
    used by medical science. We just got to understand its body behaviour and its end-product.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    a benefit so

    Quoted message said:

    often promised and so seldom delivered by alternative medicine products.

    Before, you made this sort of remarks, tell us more on your 'feeling' of the immune system you
    are talking about.

    I prefer to acquire KNOWLEDGE about such things as the immune system. "Feeling" is emotional
    behavior, and applies only in the sense that I feel better when I know about how things like the
    immune system work.

    Beside, the immune system, there is another kind of 'meassurement' (to the body functioning) known
    as 'chi flow' on the body's 5 meridien chi flow. Of course, that come with another sort of
    'measurement'.

    Have a nice day, my fren!!

    Danny Yang

    Quoted message said:


    --Rich

  14. Anth <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    You what - where are these little buggers hiding? Anth

    They hide in the dorsal root ganglia. The dorsal root ganglia are sensory "nerve nodes" located on
    the back side of the spinal cord. They provide general sense (touch, cold, heat, etc.). Get rid of
    them, and you'll have ridded yourself of the virus..too bad you really need those pesky ganglia.

    --

    Robert Bronsing

    Can't you see?
    It all makes perfect sense,
    expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence

    (R. Waters)

  15. dorsal root ganglia, where the virus resides.

    Anth said:

    You what - where are these little buggers hiding? Anth

    "WB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Anth said:

    If someone could show me how to obliterate the herpes virus from my body


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    would be most grateful. Anth

    Remove root ganglia where virus resides.
    --
    Take out the G'RBAGE to reply [email hidden]


    --
    Take out the G'RBAGE to reply
    [email hidden]

  16. Maybe I should start Zapping them? :O) Anth

    "Bronsing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Anth <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You what - where are these little buggers hiding? Anth

    They hide in the dorsal root ganglia. The dorsal root ganglia are sensory "nerve nodes" located on
    the back side of the spinal cord. They provide general sense (touch, cold, heat, etc.). Get rid of
    them, and you'll have ridded yourself of the virus..too bad you really need those pesky ganglia.

    --

    Robert Bronsing

    Can't you see? It all makes perfect sense, expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings
    and pence

    (R. Waters)

  17. Anth <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe I should start Zapping them? :O) Anth

    Mwah....there have been certain groups in history who thought shocking the dorsal root was the way
    to perpetual extacy...:-) But, alas.....the virus is impossible to get rid of in a healthy way.

    --

    Robert Bronsing

    Can't you see?
    It all makes perfect sense,
    expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence

    (R. Waters)

  18. Bronsing said:

    Anth <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe I should start Zapping them? :O) Anth

    Mwah....there have been certain groups in history who thought shocking the dorsal root was the way
    to perpetual extacy...:-) But, alas.....the virus is impossible to get rid of in a healthy way.

    What if 240V is used ?
    --
    Take out the G'RBAGE to reply
    [email hidden]

  19. In said:

    Hey rich, the 'measurring' of the immune system is about 'how fast is the healing' not only on a
    flu virus as mentioned by you. There are other factors in measurring the immune system, such as, a
    bruise on the leg's area, due to a fall and when, one's immune system is as 'vibrant', the bruise
    (thru self internal healing) goes away in 2 to 3 days time, instead of weeks.

    We have another demonstration of the "Alternative Immune System" observation.

    --
    | "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a | completely unintentional side
    | effect. " -- Linus Torvalds |
    +--------------- D. C. Sessions <[email hidden]> ----------+

  20. "D. C. Sessions" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    In said:

    Hey rich, the 'measurring' of the immune system is about 'how fast is the healing' not only on a
    flu virus as mentioned by you. There are other factors in measurring the immune system, such as,
    a bruise on the leg's area, due to a fall and when, one's immune system is as 'vibrant', the
    bruise (thru self internal healing) goes away in 2 to 3 days time, instead of weeks.

    We have another demonstration of the "Alternative Immune System" observation.

    AS I said before again and again, what does medical science knows about the body immune system?

    To you medical people, it is just a hersay yeah! its the immune system working, that's all!! but,
    you people know 'nuts' about it!!!

    Danny Yang

    An Asian Holistic Physician cum Herbalist

    The ONLY Authority on viruses

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