Re: ARBR - RIP

I, too, am disappointed that SEVERAL of the Usenet groups I used to be so
excited to read every day have been destroyed by these jackasses.

I run a non-bicycle-related discussion group over at Google Groups and I've
made it a moderated group solely to avoid trolls, spammers, etc. It works
really great for the members, although I spend A LOT of time filtering out
bad posts and banning the people who sent them.

Perhaps it's time to move this group over to Google and take advantage of
some of the filters that can squash this kind of [censored] before anybody has to
read it.

"Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Edward Dolan said:

Only the Great Ed Doan and his weasel of a stalker Jim McNamara have been
on ARBR for the past week with a chirp or two from the peanut gallery,
i.e., Tom Sherman. This newsgroup is now dead as a door nail.

As a general rule I don't respond to trolls, but this is hypocrisy gone
too
far. Yes, you - you personally, none other - have destroyed a Usenet
resource that was useful to other people. And you have done so in the
comfortable knowledge that none of the people who have been harmed by your
actions are near enough to you to smack you in the face as you deserve. I
hope you feel proud.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they
;; do it from religious conviction." - Pascal

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:10:55 +0000, Simon Brooke
<[email hidden]> said in <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

As a general rule I don't respond to trolls, but this is hypocrisy gone too
far. Yes, you - you personally, none other - have destroyed a Usenet
resource that was useful to other people. And you have done so in the
comfortable knowledge that none of the people who have been harmed by your
actions are near enough to you to smack you in the face as you deserve. I
hope you feel proud.

Exactly right.

Guy
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Simon Brooke said:

Edward Dolan said:

Only the Great Ed Doan and his weasel of a stalker Jim McNamara have been
on ARBR for the past week with a chirp or two from the peanut gallery,
i.e., Tom Sherman. This newsgroup is now dead as a door nail.

As a general rule I don't respond to trolls, but this is hypocrisy gone too
far. Yes, you - you personally, none other - have destroyed a Usenet
resource that was useful to other people. And you have done so in the
comfortable knowledge that none of the people who have been harmed by your
actions are near enough to you to smack you in the face as you deserve. I
hope you feel proud.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they
        ;; do it from religious conviction." - Pascal

The UseNet is a unmoderated group list. It assumes that all
participants will stay on subject. In the case of ARBR, it is a
discussion of recumbents, not politics, religion, or alternative life
styles. Unlike the bumper of your car or the privacy of your home ,
it's not a place to express your opinions except those concerning
recumbents. I understand that recumbents were once coveted by the
counter-culture and for old time sake it may be cool to throw in a
comment about your misadventures of civil disobedience during a recent
Critical Mass, but your comments and opinions will be weighed.

As for Simon's claim of hypocrisy gone too far; his sig is complete
hypocrisy:
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it
from religious conviction." - Pascal
Simon's attempt to marginalize religion is offensive to me. After all,
the most evil men in the 20th century included [censored], Stalin, Po Pot
(Soloth Sar), Lenin. They were all athiest and socialist, yet they all
murdered millions with cheer.
Simon- You preach, yet you are a moral deginerate! Why don't you be
good Englishman and at least change your offending sig?

Cheers!

Rick

[email hidden] (who?) anonymously snipes:

Quoted message said:

Simon Brooke said:

Edward Dolan said:

Only the Great Ed Doan and his weasel of a stalker Jim McNamara have been
on ARBR for the past week with a chirp or two from the peanut gallery,
i.e., Tom Sherman. This newsgroup is now dead as a door nail.

As a general rule I don't respond to trolls, but this is hypocrisy gone too
far. Yes, you - you personally, none other - have destroyed a Usenet
resource that was useful to other people. And you have done so in the
comfortable knowledge that none of the people who have been harmed by your
actions are near enough to you to smack you in the face as you deserve. I
hope you feel proud.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they
;; do it from religious conviction." - Pascal

The UseNet is a unmoderated group list. It assumes that all
participants will stay on subject. In the case of ARBR, it is a
discussion of recumbents, not politics, religion, or alternative life
styles. Unlike the bumper of your car or the privacy of your home ,
it's not a place to express your opinions except those concerning
recumbents. I understand that recumbents were once coveted by the
counter-culture and for old time sake it may be cool to throw in a
comment about your misadventures of civil disobedience during a recent
Critical Mass, but your comments and opinions will be weighed.

As for Simon's claim of hypocrisy gone too far; his sig is complete
hypocrisy:
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it
from religious conviction." - Pascal
Simon's attempt to marginalize religion is offensive to me. After all,
the most evil men in the 20th century included [censored], Stalin, Po Pot
(Soloth Sar), Lenin. They were all athiest and socialist, yet they all
murdered millions with cheer.

[censored] was a fascist, not a socialist. The "Night of the Long Knives"
was about purging the socialist element from the SA (and for practical
purposes from the Nazi Party). [censored] was also not an atheist.

Stalin, Lenin and Pol Pot were autocrats who only paid lip service to
communism. It is very likely that Lenin was in the service of people
whose main goal was to replace the Romanov's (and not for the benefit of
the Russian proletariat either).

Quoted message said:

Simon- You preach, yet you are a moral deginerate! Why don't you be
good Englishman and at least change your offending sig?

Spel chequer (sic)?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

On Feb 19, 4:14 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (who?) anonymously snipes:

Quoted message said:

Simon Brooke said:

Edward Dolan wrote:
> Only the Great Ed Doan and his weasel of a stalker Jim McNamara have been
> on ARBR for the past week with a chirp or two from the peanut gallery,
> i.e., Tom Sherman. This newsgroup is now dead as a door nail.
As a general rule I don't respond to trolls, but this is hypocrisy gonetoo
far. Yes, you - you personally, none other - have destroyed a Usenet
resource that was useful to other people. And you have done so in the
comfortable knowledge that none of the people who have been harmed by your
actions are near enough to you to smack you in the face as you deserve.I
hope you feel proud.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

;; Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they
        ;; do it from religious conviction." - Pascal

Quoted message said:

The UseNet is a unmoderated group list.  It assumes that all
participants will stay on subject.  In the case of ARBR, it is a
discussion of recumbents, not politics, religion, or alternative life
styles.  Unlike the bumper of your car or the privacy of your home ,
it's not a place to express your opinions except those concerning
recumbents.  I understand that recumbents were once coveted by the
counter-culture and for old time sake it may be cool to throw in a
comment about your misadventures of civil disobedience during a recent
Critical Mass, but your comments and opinions will be weighed.

Quoted message said:

As for Simon's claim of hypocrisy gone too far; his sig is complete
hypocrisy:
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it
from religious conviction." - Pascal
Simon's attempt to marginalize religion is offensive to me. After all,
the most evil men in the 20th century included [censored], Stalin, Po Pot
(Soloth Sar), Lenin. They were all athiest and socialist, yet they all
murdered millions with cheer.

[censored] was a fascist, not a socialist. The "Night of the Long Knives"
was about purging the socialist element from the SA (and for practical
purposes from the Nazi Party). [censored] was also not an atheist.

Stalin, Lenin and Pol Pot were autocrats who only paid lip service to
communism. It is very likely that Lenin was in the service of people
whose main goal was to replace the Romanov's (and not for the benefit of
the Russian proletariat either).

Quoted message said:

Simon- You preach, yet you are a moral deginerate! Why don't you be
good Englishman and at least change your offending sig?

Spel chequer (sic)?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Mr. Sherman,

I beg to differ. [censored] ran his campaign on the National Socialist
Party, better known as the NAZI party. Lenin and Stalin were both
communist, the purest form of socialism. Ironic that people are
murdered when they give their freedoms away to socialism. BTW- I
don't give a rats butt if [censored] was a "Fascist", he ran as a
socialist and betrayed the foolish people that elected him. However,
I digress. Recumbents are cool!!!!

Quoted message said:

I beg to differ. [censored] ran his campaign on the National Socialist
Party, better known as the NAZI party. Lenin and Stalin were both
communist, the purest form of socialism.

You appear to have confused what something calls itself with what it
actually /is/.

"Hey, wake up!"
"errrr, it's 3 am..."
"there's someone else in the house, I heard them making a noise"
"Okay, I'll go and check it out..., you call the police"

"He said he was in to read the electricity meter and apologised for the
noise, so I left him to it"
"Oh, that's okay then, I'll not call 911"

That's almost a tenth as dumb as thinking [censored] was a socialist because
he called his party the National Socialists...

A widely accepted working definition for what socialism is /meant/ to be
is encapsulated by "From each according to their ability, to each
according to their need". So only if you think large tracts of the
population of occupied Europe /needed/ to be murdered for their own good
can "National Socialism" be equated with socialism. As for Soviet
"communism", "from each according to what they're told, to each
according to whether they're card carrying party members and to an
extent determined by their place in the hierarchy" isn't really the same
thing either.

All of these people were dressing up in socialist clothes for the PR,
nothing more. If you want a look at real socialism you'll get much
closer to the truth by looking at, say, Scandinavian governments of the
post-war era than you'll find in the USSR, the 3rd Reich or Kampuchea.

Quoted message said:

Ironic that people are
murdered when they give their freedoms away to socialism.

Sad that they were duped into thinking that their governments were
anything to do with socialism.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Edward Dolan said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Feb 19, 4:14 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (who?) anonymously snipes:

[...]

Quoted message said:

> As for Simon's claim of hypocrisy gone too far; his sig is complete
> hypocrisy:
> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it
> from religious conviction." - Pascal
> Simon's attempt to marginalize religion is offensive to me. After all,
> the most evil men in the 20th century included [censored], Stalin, Po Pot
> (Soloth Sar), Lenin. They were all athiest and socialist, yet they all
> murdered millions with cheer.
[censored] was a fascist, not a socialist. The "Night of the Long Knives"
was about purging the socialist element from the SA (and for practical
purposes from the Nazi Party). [censored] was also not an atheist.

Stalin, Lenin and Pol Pot were autocrats who only paid lip service to
communism. It is very likely that Lenin was in the service of people
whose main goal was to replace the Romanov's (and not for the benefit of
the Russian proletariat either).

[...]

Mr. Sherman,

I beg to differ. [censored] ran his campaign on the National Socialist
Party, better known as the NAZI party. Lenin and Stalin were both
communist, the purest form of socialism. Ironic that people are
murdered when they give their freedoms away to socialism. BTW- I
don't give a rats butt if [censored] was a "Fascist", he ran as a
socialist and betrayed the foolish people that elected him. However,
I digress. Recumbents are cool!!!!

Ricky is right and Sherman is wrong, but that is the way it always go with
liberal ideologues like him.

Hey Ed, I fixed the quotation hierarchy, since your Windows Mail fouled
it up yet again.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Edward Dolan said:

...
Mr. Sherman's education stops with the liberal blogs. He needs to read a
book recently published.

LIBERAL FASCISM
The Secret History of the American Left From Mussolini to the Politics of
Meaning.

By Jonah Goldberg.

487 pp. Doubleday. $27.95.

Not the Jonah Goldberg from Toronto who looked like Jerry Garcia and
rode an electric assist trike like a maniac in traffic, I see. I wonder
what he is up to?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[email hidden] (who?) anonymously snipes:

Quoted message said:

On Feb 19, 4:14 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (who?) anonymously snipes:

Quoted message said:

On Feb 15, 12:10 am, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> Only the Great Ed Doan and his weasel of a stalker Jim McNamara have been
>> on ARBR for the past week with a chirp or two from the peanut gallery,
>> i.e., Tom Sherman. This newsgroup is now dead as a door nail.
> As a general rule I don't respond to trolls, but this is hypocrisy gone too
> far. Yes, you - you personally, none other - have destroyed a Usenet
> resource that was useful to other people. And you have done so in the
> comfortable knowledge that none of the people who have been harmed by your
> actions are near enough to you to smack you in the face as you deserve. I
> hope you feel proud.
> --
> [email hidden] (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
> ;; Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they
> ;; do it from religious conviction." - Pascal
The UseNet is a unmoderated group list. It assumes that all
participants will stay on subject. In the case of ARBR, it is a
discussion of recumbents, not politics, religion, or alternative life
styles. Unlike the bumper of your car or the privacy of your home ,
it's not a place to express your opinions except those concerning
recumbents. I understand that recumbents were once coveted by the
counter-culture and for old time sake it may be cool to throw in a
comment about your misadventures of civil disobedience during a recent
Critical Mass, but your comments and opinions will be weighed.
As for Simon's claim of hypocrisy gone too far; his sig is complete
hypocrisy:
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it
from religious conviction." - Pascal
Simon's attempt to marginalize religion is offensive to me. After all,
the most evil men in the 20th century included [censored], Stalin, Po Pot
(Soloth Sar), Lenin. They were all athiest and socialist, yet they all
murdered millions with cheer.

[censored] was a fascist, not a socialist. The "Night of the Long Knives"
was about purging the socialist element from the SA (and for practical
purposes from the Nazi Party). [censored] was also not an atheist.

Stalin, Lenin and Pol Pot were autocrats who only paid lip service to
communism. It is very likely that Lenin was in the service of people
whose main goal was to replace the Romanov's (and not for the benefit of
the Russian proletariat either).

Quoted message said:

Simon- You preach, yet you are a moral deginerate! Why don't you be
good Englishman and at least change your offending sig?

Spel chequer (sic)?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Mr. Sherman,

I beg to differ. [censored] ran his campaign on the National Socialist
Party, better known as the NAZI party.

Please familiarize yourself with the concept of false advertising. The
National Socialist German Workers Party was funded by rich
industrialists such as Fritz Thyssen [1]. [censored] had the socialist
elements of the SA purged (i.e. murdered), suppressed the trade unions
and crushed workers rights.

Quoted message said:

Lenin and Stalin were both communist, the purest form of socialism.

Oh, male bovine excrement. The only thing communist about the USSR was
the name. One group of oligarchs was replaced with another.

Quoted message said:

Ironic that people are
murdered when they give their freedoms away to socialism. BTW- I
don't give a rats butt if [censored] was a "Fascist", he ran as a
socialist and betrayed the foolish people that elected him. However,
I digress. Recumbents are cool!!!!

Please stop listening to right-wing pundits who lie about history, or
whatever source of misinformation you are using.

[1] A business associate of Prescott Bush.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia

"To diverge from the above, one should not participate
in off-topic Usenet discussions on political topics
unless one is willing to deal with the resulting
ugliness. In my case I have been called among other
things a Communist, Al Qaeda supporter, Saddam Hussein
supporter, Kim Il Jung supporter, an anti-Semite, a
terrorist sympathizer, a rectal opening, anti-American,
an extremist wacko nut, a god dammed liberal, a piece
of excrement, and an apologist for murder: this list is
by no means exhaustive."

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Edward Dolan said:

...
Mr. Sherman's education stops with the liberal blogs. He needs to read a
book recently published.

LIBERAL FASCISM
The Secret History of the American Left From Mussolini to the Politics of
Meaning.

By Jonah Goldberg.

487 pp. Doubleday. $27.95.

Not the Jonah Goldberg from Toronto who looked like Jerry Garcia and rode
an electric assist trike like a maniac in traffic, I see. I wonder what he
is up to?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

I think our "broke his rear view mirror" Goldberg is Joshua, not Jonah.

gotbent, AKA FRVT Rider

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Tom Sherman said:

Edward Dolan said:

...
Mr. Sherman's education stops with the liberal blogs. He needs to read a
book recently published.

LIBERAL FASCISM
The Secret History of the American Left From Mussolini to the Politics of
Meaning.

By Jonah Goldberg.

487 pp. Doubleday. $27.95.

Not the Jonah Goldberg from Toronto who looked like Jerry Garcia and
rode an electric assist trike like a maniac in traffic, I see. I wonder
what he is up to?

No, that would be the Jonah Goldberg from "National Review", Bill
Buckley's rag until he became too reasonable for the New Right.

(oops, politics, sorry)

Bob
Just another nice basic flake.
(and old fart in training)