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  1. Please indulge me for a moment as I gloat about yesterday's ride. The
    February half-term weather having been unusually kind, I set off for my
    third 50km ride of the week in cool, almost windless conditions under a
    glorious blue sky armed with six Geobars, a multitool and inner tube, a
    credit card, a car key, my trusty Garmin Edge (and paper map in case of
    technical difficulties), a waterproof and contrasting Rapha sportwool
    jersey and arm warmers.

    I was cheating a little as I was starting from Beacon Fell, aware that I
    almost certainly would not as yet have the legs to complete my intended
    loop if starting from home.

    About 2 km from the start of my route I am reminded, as my rear light
    bounces down the road [1], that I must buy some cable ties to attach it
    more inescapably to my seat pack, the road surface on the descent to
    Brock Mill having apparently been laid by Belgians.

    Just before the first proper climb of the day, up to Grizedale
    reservoir, I discover that my front derailleur is no longer working as
    it has jammed against my big chainring. Conveniently, after a few
    minutes staring at it and threatening it with a multitool, a passing
    cyclist offers his assistance. 20 minutes later, and following some
    comparison with his steed, we realise that the derailleur has slipped
    southwards and that it is actually quite a simple problem to fix.

    So, thoroughly warmed up (not) the 3km climb, up 140 metres or so,
    brings me to glorious views over Forton services to Morecambe Bay and
    the Lake District. The descent towards the River Wyre would have been
    quicker had the local farmers not insisted on scattering it with cattle
    grids. Still, it gives me plenty of time to enjoy the views.

    A right turn brings me to the next climb and past some of the last
    vestiges of civilisation for the next dozen kilometres. I am now glad
    that my jersey has a full length zip as, even in the northern shadow of
    Catshaw Fell, I'm getting rather hot.

    Seeing a short but near vertical wall of road ahead of me, I try to
    build up a good head of steam to get me up it, only to realise a little
    late that another farmer (maybe the same one, who knows) has not only
    placed a cattle grid at its base but also the road has a small but
    incredibly sharp hairpin after the grid. The 16% gradient here makes me
    glad that my front derailleur is now back in action and I realise that
    I've not seen any cyclists (or, for that matter, motorists) for the last
    10 kms.

    The short descent leads to a right turn after a fine looking stream
    before the road passes through the middle of Marshaw farm at the
    beginning of the 4 km climb between Winfold Fell and Blaze Moss. The
    start is gentle enough and the first two kilometres are demolished in
    seven minutes. The road now turns once more to give me a glimpse of the
    final mile of climb.

    As the road snakes upwards and the gradient increases, I find myself
    grinning inanely as my speed slows to a walking pace and I take to
    counting roadside markings to take my mind off the pain. There are only
    eight more markers to the summit and, as I count them down, noticing
    that several more have fallen into the gulley below, I notice that I've
    misjudged the hill and that it continues for another 200 metres.

    As the road briefly widens, I allow a red saloon car to overtake me. I
    will soon regret this move. Less than a minute later, I am over the
    summit now with beautiful views over the geographical centre of Great
    Britain. The descent is even steeper than the climb but the road is wide
    and I could descend at a heck of a speed if it weren't for a certain red
    saloon car which is now, to my mind, travelling at a ludicrously slow 30
    mph, obliging me to keep my hands on the brakes for at least half of the
    next 4 km through the Duke of Lancaster's substantial estate.

    As I pass the Inn at Whitewell and enter the woods, the cold hits my
    legs, the sun will shine directly into my eyes for the next fifteen
    minutes and I realise that my legs have about had enough. The thought of
    a large all-day breakfast back at the Visitor Centre keeps me going but
    another 200 metres of climb over the next 10 kilometres separates my
    stomach from its prey. I resist the temptation to call in at the Dog &
    Partridge in Hesketh Lane as I can now see Beacon Fell rising ahead of
    me.

    Turning onto a singletrack road, sod's law insists that I should now
    start to meet traffic and that that traffic should expect me to cycle on
    the muddy verge. I decline the offer and concentrate on the next three
    kilometres. Now that my legs feel most ready to give way, I have another
    100 metres to climb. The sun is now at my side so I can appreciate the
    scenery and can see a badger by the road. Obviously, it's not going
    anywhere in a hurry.

    920 metres of climb and just short of 54 kilometres after I set out, I
    return to Beacon Fell's Visitor Centre and café, ready to tuck into some
    lovely hot food. Service stopped twenty minutes previously.

    Cheers,
    Luke

    <http://longwayround.motionbased.com>

    --
    Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
    exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

  2. Ekul Namsob wrote:

    <Excellent report of splendid ride>

    As we occasionally say here in Northern Britain, "Ye canna whack it"!!

    --
    Brian G
    www.wetwo.co.uk

  3. Ekul Namsob said:

    Please indulge me for a moment as I gloat about yesterday's ride.

    Nice ride, nice report.

    Quoted message said:

    So, thoroughly warmed up (not) the 3km climb, up 140 metres or so,
    brings me to glorious views over Forton services to Morecambe Bay and
    the Lake District.

    There are certain peoples' ride reports which make me feel envious of
    the views they get. I'm in the Cotswolds and get the Severn valley and
    Forest of Dean, which aren't bad, but I'd rather have the Lake
    District.

    Quoted message said:

    The descent towards the River Wyre would have been
    quicker had the local farmers not insisted on scattering it with cattle
    grids.

    A rarity round here, livestock tends to be tucked up in fields.
    Actually, I do cross one fairly fast descending a 1:10 hill, and don't
    think of it as a problem. Maybe because I'm worrying about the height
    barrier over it to stop tall vehicles (it's at the start of a bypassed
    stretch of A road that's used as a car park). It feels as though I'd
    hit my head on it if I sat up, which I don't think I could, but that
    doesn't stop me worrying.

    Rob

  4. Quoted message said:
    Ekul Namsob said:

    Please indulge me for a moment as I gloat about yesterday's ride.

    Nice ride, nice report.

    I thank you and Brian. I was concerned it might have been a bit long.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So, thoroughly warmed up (not) the 3km climb, up 140 metres or so,
    brings me to glorious views over Forton services to Morecambe Bay and
    the Lake District.

    There are certain peoples' ride reports which make me feel envious of
    the views they get. I'm in the Cotswolds and get the Severn valley and
    Forest of Dean, which aren't bad, but I'd rather have the Lake
    District.

    I am passionately in love with the Forest of Bowland. It is truly one of
    the most beautiful and quiet areas of England that I know. I suppose the
    danger is that some of you might be tempted to make it less quiet.

    For years, my local scenery put me off cycling as I'm from Essex
    originally and found the hill I had to confront each week too painful
    for words. Ironically, it was only 300 metres of 10% climbing but I
    suppose, as all the rest of my cycling was either on the flat or
    something close to it, I just didn't get the necessary practice.

    The fact that, by the time I moved here, I smoked 10 to 20 a day didn't
    help.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The descent towards the River Wyre would have been
    quicker had the local farmers not insisted on scattering it with cattle
    grids.

    A rarity round here, livestock tends to be tucked up in fields.
    Actually, I do cross one fairly fast descending a 1:10 hill, and don't
    think of it as a problem. Maybe because I'm worrying about the height
    barrier over it to stop tall vehicles (it's at the start of a bypassed
    stretch of A road that's used as a car park). It feels as though I'd
    hit my head on it if I sat up, which I don't think I could, but that
    doesn't stop me worrying.

    Should I just be braver and hurtle right over the things?

    Cheers,
    Luke

    --
    Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
    exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

  5. "Ekul Namsob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Should I just be braver and hurtle right over the things?

    Yes :-)

    (ok, I'm normally on a tandem which isn't going to be put off by them, but
    generally speaking taking them fast is fine. Possibly unweight a little to
    avoid a pinch flat if you hit a dodgy bar.)

    cheers,
    clive

  6. Clive George said:

    "Ekul Namsob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Should I just be braver and hurtle right over the things?

    Yes :-)

    (ok, I'm normally on a tandem which isn't going to be put off by them, but
    generally speaking taking them fast is fine. Possibly unweight a little to
    avoid a pinch flat if you hit a dodgy bar.)

    cheers,
    clive

    yup most can be taken at speed, good way of spotting the sunday drivers
    is they brake hard just before them, making sure that they feel every
    bar...

    roger
    --
    www.rogermerriman.com

  7. Ekul Namsob said:

    As the road briefly widens, I allow a red saloon car to overtake me. I
    will soon regret this move. Less than a minute later, I am over the
    summit now with beautiful views over the geographical centre of Great
    Britain. The descent is even steeper than the climb but the road is wide
    and I could descend at a heck of a speed if it weren't for a certain red
    saloon car which is now, to my mind, travelling at a ludicrously slow 30
    mph, obliging me to keep my hands on the brakes for at least half of the
    next 4 km through the Duke of Lancaster's substantial estate.

    Lovely ride report, and brings back happy memories of cycling those roads...
    But the geographical centre of Britain is in Dumfrieshire. It's 1237 Km from
    Muckle Flugga to Lizard Point, and 670 of those kilometres are in Scotland.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    ; gif ye hes forget our auld plane Scottis quhilk your mother lerit you,
    ; in tymes cuming I sall wryte to you my mind in Latin, for I am nocht
    ; acquyntit with your Southeron
    ;; Letter frae Ninian Winyet tae John Knox datit 27t October 1563

  8. Clive George said:

    "Ekul Namsob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Should I just be braver and hurtle right over the things?

    Yes :-)

    (ok, I'm normally on a tandem which isn't going to be put off by them, but
    generally speaking taking them fast is fine. Possibly unweight a little to
    avoid a pinch flat if you hit a dodgy bar.)

    Fairy nuff. I would unweight a little to save my tender bits as well.
    After all, 700x23s are likely to have rather less cushioning than the
    tyres on your tandem.

    Cheers,
    Luke

    --
    Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
    exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

  9. Simon Brooke said:
    Ekul Namsob said:

    As the road briefly widens, I allow a red saloon car to overtake me. I
    will soon regret this move. Less than a minute later, I am over the
    summit now with beautiful views over the geographical centre of Great
    Britain. The descent is even steeper than the climb but the road is wide
    and I could descend at a heck of a speed if it weren't for a certain red
    saloon car which is now, to my mind, travelling at a ludicrously slow 30
    mph, obliging me to keep my hands on the brakes for at least half of the
    next 4 km through the Duke of Lancaster's substantial estate.

    Lovely ride report, and brings back happy memories of cycling those roads...
    But the geographical centre of Britain is in Dumfrieshire. It's 1237 Km from
    Muckle Flugga to Lizard Point, and 670 of those kilometres are in Scotland.

    Well, the Ordnance Survey disagrees with you, as do BT who put a
    commemorative phonebox a few miles from the exact point.
    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2271914.stm>

    Apparently, the OS's method looks for the centre of gravity of a
    cardboard cut out of GB and its associated islands.

    Cheers,
    Luke

    --
    Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
    exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

  10. Ekul Namsob said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The descent towards the River Wyre would have been
    quicker had the local farmers not insisted on scattering it with cattle
    grids.

    A rarity round here, livestock tends to be tucked up in fields.
    Actually, I do cross one fairly fast descending a 1:10 hill, and don't
    think of it as a problem. Maybe because I'm worrying about the height
    barrier over it to stop tall vehicles (it's at the start of a bypassed
    stretch of A road that's used as a car park). It feels as though I'd
    hit my head on it if I sat up, which I don't think I could, but that
    doesn't stop me worrying.

    Should I just be braver and hurtle right over the things?

    Seriously, be wary of cattle grids. They're generally OK if you cross them
    at exactly 90 degrees to the bars in dry weather, and I know some folk who
    manage by bunny-hopping them. But in wet weather - very slightly wet is
    probably more hazardous than really wet, because you don't expect them to
    be dangerous - they can be lethal. A goodly number of the 'a helmet saved
    my life' stories from these parts concern cattle grids. If you come down,
    you come down very fast with no warning - your front wheel just goes
    sideways.

    I always cross em slow with one foot unclipped unless it's really dry.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    <p>Schroedinger's cat is <blink><strong>NOT</strong></blink> dead.</p>

  11. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Ekul Namsob said:
    Quoted message said:

    > The descent towards the River Wyre would have been
    > quicker had the local farmers not insisted on scattering it with
    > cattle
    > grids.

    A rarity round here, livestock tends to be tucked up in fields.
    Actually, I do cross one fairly fast descending a 1:10 hill, and don't
    think of it as a problem. Maybe because I'm worrying about the height
    barrier over it to stop tall vehicles (it's at the start of a bypassed
    stretch of A road that's used as a car park). It feels as though I'd
    hit my head on it if I sat up, which I don't think I could, but that
    doesn't stop me worrying.

    Should I just be braver and hurtle right over the things?

    Seriously, be wary of cattle grids. They're generally OK if you cross them
    at exactly 90 degrees to the bars in dry weather, and I know some folk who
    manage by bunny-hopping them. But in wet weather - very slightly wet is
    probably more hazardous than really wet, because you don't expect them to
    be dangerous - they can be lethal. A goodly number of the 'a helmet saved
    my life' stories from these parts concern cattle grids. If you come down,
    you come down very fast with no warning - your front wheel just goes
    sideways.

    I always cross em slow with one foot unclipped unless it's really dry.

    Tee hee. Somewhat the opposite technique to me then. Though I do make sure
    to cross them straight on, wet or dry - obviously if you're not turning at
    all there's no reason for your front wheel to go whee.

    cheers,
    clive

  12. "Clive George" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I always cross em slow with one foot unclipped unless it's really dry.

    Tee hee. Somewhat the opposite technique to me then. Though I do make sure
    to cross them straight on, wet or dry - obviously if you're not turning at
    all there's no reason for your front wheel to go whee.

    Forgot to mention my favourite cattle grid story, which though I've told it
    before always amuses me. Coming down the hill towards Arncliffe, just
    winding it up on the open section before it gets all closed and scary, we go
    past another tandem couple who are parked up. We some strangled cry
    "aauragh", but we're enjoying ourselves a bit much to stop. We then realised
    sometime later it was an American accented "Cattle grid", said in tones of
    dire warning. Unfortnately we never did get to tell them "yes, we know, not
    only do we know this road, but in case we forgot, there's a nice sign
    reminding us before it". Well, we thought it was funny anyway :-)

    cheers,
    clive

  13. "Ekul Namsob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    Ekul Namsob wrote:

    Well, the Ordnance Survey disagrees with you, as do BT who put a
    commemorative phonebox a few miles from the exact point.
    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2271914.stm>

    Apparently, the OS's method looks for the centre of gravity of a
    cardboard cut out of GB and its associated islands.


    The location of the centre depends if the tide is in or out ;-)

  14. Clive George said:

    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Ekul Namsob wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > The descent towards the River Wyre would have been
    > > quicker had the local farmers not insisted on scattering it with
    > > cattle
    > > grids.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > A rarity round here, livestock tends to be tucked up in fields.
    > Actually, I do cross one fairly fast descending a 1:10 hill, and don't
    > think of it as a problem. Maybe because I'm worrying about the height
    > barrier over it to stop tall vehicles (it's at the start of a bypassed
    > stretch of A road that's used as a car park). It feels as though I'd
    > hit my head on it if I sat up, which I don't think I could, but that
    > doesn't stop me worrying.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Should I just be braver and hurtle right over the things?

    Quoted message said:

    Seriously, be wary of cattle grids. They're generally OK if you cross them
    at exactly 90 degrees to the bars in dry weather, and I know some folk who
    manage by bunny-hopping them. But in wet weather - very slightly wet is
    probably more hazardous than really wet, because you don't expect them to
    be dangerous - they can be lethal. A goodly number of the 'a helmet saved
    my life' stories from these parts concern cattle grids. If you come down,
    you come down very fast with no warning - your front wheel just goes
    sideways.

    Quoted message said:

    I always cross em slow with one foot unclipped unless it's really dry.

    Tee hee. Somewhat the opposite technique to me then. Though I do make sure
    to cross them straight on, wet or dry - obviously if you're not turning at
    all there's no reason for your front wheel to go whee.

    I wouldn't particularly advise going slowly, but it's certainly worth
    being careful to make sure one is going straight, upright and
    perpendicular to the bars of the grid. We had a heavy fall due to a
    cattle grid several years ago during a trailquest (so we were
    hammering along on an MTB tandem on a slight downhill) where there was
    a left turn shortly after the grid itself, and I suppose I must have
    been starting to lean into it. Fortunately we'd got over the
    ironmongery before we actually hit the deck so "merely" slid some way
    along a rather rough tarmac lane...

    James

  15. Clive George said:

    "Ekul Namsob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Should I just be braver and hurtle right over the things?

    Yes :-)

    (ok, I'm normally on a tandem which isn't going to be put off by them, but
    generally speaking taking them fast is fine. Possibly unweight a little to
    avoid a pinch flat if you hit a dodgy bar.)

    Thanks for that, it's made me realise why I worry about that the one
    with the height restriction over it. Two conflicting instincts: rise
    up out of the saddle to avoid the bumpiness, get down low to avoid the
    overhead hazard. I'll take it slowly next time and see if there's any
    way I can hit the bar.

    Rob

  16. Clive George said:

    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Seriously, be wary of cattle grids. They're generally OK if you cross them
    at exactly 90 degrees to the bars in dry weather, and I know some folk who
    manage by bunny-hopping them. But in wet weather - very slightly wet is
    probably more hazardous than really wet, because you don't expect them to
    be dangerous - they can be lethal. A goodly number of the 'a helmet saved
    my life' stories from these parts concern cattle grids. If you come down,
    you come down very fast with no warning - your front wheel just goes
    sideways.

    Quoted message said:

    I always cross em slow with one foot unclipped unless it's really dry.

    Tee hee. Somewhat the opposite technique to me then. Though I do make sure
    to cross them straight on, wet or dry - obviously if you're not turning at
    all there's no reason for your front wheel to go whee.

    Presumably it depends a bit on the type of cattle grid. The one I
    cross regularly has flat tops to the bars so isn't too bumpy. I think
    I'd be much more wary of the round bar type, where the bouncing around
    might increase the risk of the front wheel getting out of line if you
    weren't careful.

    Rob

  17. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    There's one near Straiton in Ayrshire - needless to say on a bend on a
    good
    descent - which has a diamond grid pattern of thin bars. I treat that one
    with a lot of respect!

    This thread has just reminded me of a discussion sometime last year (or
    maybe earlier) where you were claiming riding down a flight of steps was
    perfectly reasonable behaviour on a road bike - so long as you did it
    quickly enough :-)

    cheers,
    clive

  18. Clive George said:

    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    There's one near Straiton in Ayrshire - needless to say on a bend on a
    good
    descent - which has a diamond grid pattern of thin bars. I treat that one
    with a lot of respect!

    This thread has just reminded me of a discussion sometime last year (or
    maybe earlier) where you were claiming riding down a flight of steps was
    perfectly reasonable behaviour on a road bike - so long as you did it
    quickly enough :-)

    I don't recall claiming it was normal; but stone of concrete steps offer a
    lot more grip than highly polished wet steel.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; all in all you're just another click in the call
    ;; -- Minke Bouyed

  19. Simon Brooke said:
    Clive George said:

    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    There's one near Straiton in Ayrshire - needless to say on a bend on a
    good
    descent - which has a diamond grid pattern of thin bars. I treat that one
    with a lot of respect!

    Quoted message said:

    This thread has just reminded me of a discussion sometime last year (or
    maybe earlier) where you were claiming riding down a flight of steps was
    perfectly reasonable behaviour on a road bike - so long as you did it
    quickly enough :-)

    I don't recall claiming it was normal; but stone of concrete steps offer a
    lot more grip than highly polished wet steel.

    A cross bike, maybe. Perfectly normal behaviour then.

    ...d

  20. Ekul Namsob said:


    Should I just be braver and hurtle right over the things?

    Faster you hit them the less they hurt, just take your weight on the
    pedals and keep your elbows bent and relaxed.

    --
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