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  1. Another pearl of wisdom from our masters in europe.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/10/nlights110.xml

    Quoted message said:

    In response to a parliamentary question, Jim Fitzpatrick, the road
    unsafety minister, said: "The UK has been successful in arguing
    against the introduction of mandatory use of dipped headlamps during
    daylight hours by drivers of existing vehicles.

    'However, from early 2011 all new types of passenger cars and light
    vans will have to be fitted with dedicated daytime running lamps in
    accordance with the relevant European directive. By summer 2012 all
    new vehicles will have to be so fitted.

    Which will simply reduce visibility etc, and make the roads more hazardous
    for us.

    Martin.

  2. Martin Dann said:

    Another pearl of wisdom from our masters in europe.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/10/nligh...

    Quoted message said:

    In response to a parliamentary question, Jim Fitzpatrick, the road
    unsafety minister, said: "The UK has been successful in arguing
    against the introduction of mandatory use of dipped headlamps during
    daylight hours by drivers of existing vehicles.

    Quoted message said:

    'However, from early 2011 all new types of passenger cars and light
    vans will have to be fitted with dedicated daytime running lamps in
    accordance with the relevant European directive. By summer 2012 all
    new vehicles will have to be so fitted.

    Which will simply reduce visibility etc, and make the roads more hazardous
    for us.

    Martin.

    What utter madness.

    I don't think it will effect me much though. When cycling in the
    daytime there is a much brighter light that can effect your
    visibility. It's called the sun.

  3. bornfree said:
    Martin Dann said:

    Another pearl of wisdom from our masters in europe.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/10/nligh...

    Quoted message said:

    In response to a parliamentary question, Jim Fitzpatrick, the road
    unsafety minister, said: "The UK has been successful in arguing
    against the introduction of mandatory use of dipped headlamps during
    daylight hours by drivers of existing vehicles.
    'However, from early 2011 all new types of passenger cars and light
    vans will have to be fitted with dedicated daytime running lamps in
    accordance with the relevant European directive. By summer 2012 all
    new vehicles will have to be so fitted.


    Which will simply reduce visibility etc, and make the roads more hazardous
    for us.

    Martin.

    What utter madness.

    I don't think it will effect me much though. When cycling in the
    daytime there is a much brighter light that can effect your
    visibility. It's called the sun.

    From what I understand, some bus companies already instruct their
    drivers to drive with dipped lights during the day. It is claimed to
    reduce accidents by something like 20%. I guess that on balance it might
    save lives but, taking our case in isolation, it might not be good for
    cyclists.

    Brian.

  4. In message <[email hidden]>

    bornfree said:
    Martin Dann said:

    Another pearl of wisdom from our masters in europe.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/10/nligh...

    Quoted message said:

    In response to a parliamentary question, Jim Fitzpatrick, the road
    unsafety minister, said: "The UK has been successful in arguing
    against the introduction of mandatory use of dipped headlamps during
    daylight hours by drivers of existing vehicles.

    Quoted message said:

    'However, from early 2011 all new types of passenger cars and light
    vans will have to be fitted with dedicated daytime running lamps in
    accordance with the relevant European directive. By summer 2012 all
    new vehicles will have to be so fitted.

    Which will simply reduce visibility etc, and make the roads more hazardous
    for us.

    Martin.

    What utter madness.

    I don't think it will effect me much though. When cycling in the
    daytime there is a much brighter light that can effect your
    visibility. It's called the sun.

    The problem is not cycling around at midday in sunny June. It is travelling
    (esp. urban areas) on a dull Feburary afternoon, when there are lots of
    vehicles all with lights on which are brighter than the ambient light.

    Looking in the direction of the vehicles you mostly see a mass of lights, to
    the detriment of anything else, e.g. pedestrians, and road
    markings/furniture. I find when vehicles light up too early, it reduces
    visibility.
    IMHO the reason many people put their lights on too early is due to volvos
    and saab using DRLs

    Martin.

  5. Martin Dann said:
    bornfree said:

    Martin Dann <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Another pearl of wisdom from our masters in europe.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/10/nligh...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > In response to a parliamentary question, Jim Fitzpatrick, the road
    > unsafety minister, said: "The UK has been successful in arguing
    > against the introduction of mandatory use of dipped headlamps during
    > daylight hours by drivers of existing vehicles.
    > 'However, from early 2011 all new types of passenger cars and light
    > vans will have to be fitted with dedicated daytime running lamps in
    > accordance with the relevant European directive. By summer 2012 all
    > new vehicles will have to be so fitted.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Which will simply reduce visibility etc, and make the roads more hazardous
    for us.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What utter madness.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I don't think it will effect me much though. When cycling in the
    daytime there is a much brighter light that can effect your
    visibility. It's called the sun.

    Quoted message said:

    The problem is not cycling around at midday in sunny June. It is travelling
    (esp. urban areas) on a dull Feburary afternoon, when there are lots of
    vehicles all with lights on which are brighter than the ambient light.

    Quoted message said:

    Looking in the direction of the vehicles you mostly see a mass of lights, to
    the detriment of anything else, e.g. pedestrians, and road
    markings/furniture. I find when vehicles light up too early, it reduces
    visibility.
    IMHO the reason many people put their lights on too early is due to volvos
    and saab using DRLs

    Quoted message said:

    Martin.

    Driving manuals used to suggest early lighting-up for years before the
    introduction of The Volvo With The Permanently-On Lights (c.1975?).

  6. On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:51:44 GMT someone who may be Martin Dann
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    Another pearl of wisdom from our masters in europe.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/10/nlights110.xml

    Which will simply reduce visibility etc, and make the roads more hazardous
    for us.

    What do your MEPs have to say about this? The office of one of mine
    are looking into it, but didn't sound too happy if the story is
    correct.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh
    I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

  7. Martin Dann said:

    Another pearl of wisdom from our masters in europe.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/10/nlights110.xml

    Quoted message said:

    In response to a parliamentary question, Jim Fitzpatrick, the road
    unsafety minister, said: "The UK has been successful in arguing
    against the introduction of mandatory use of dipped headlamps during
    daylight hours by drivers of existing vehicles.

    'However, from early 2011 all new types of passenger cars and light
    vans will have to be fitted with dedicated daytime running lamps in
    accordance with the relevant European directive. By summer 2012 all
    new vehicles will have to be so fitted.

    Which will simply reduce visibility etc, and make the roads more hazardous
    for us.

    It will be worse if they mandate use of dipped headlights by cars not
    fitted with DRLs. Besides anything else, there's an effect on fuel
    consumption (significant at a national level) and CO2 emissions. Worse,
    on my car the aerodynamics are badly affected by having the headlamps on
    because it has large pop-ups.

  8. Zog The Undeniable said:
    Martin Dann said:

    Another pearl of wisdom from our masters in europe.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/10/nlights110.xml

    Quoted message said:

    In response to a parliamentary question, Jim Fitzpatrick, the road
    unsafety minister, said: "The UK has been successful in arguing
    against the introduction of mandatory use of dipped headlamps during
    daylight hours by drivers of existing vehicles.
    'However, from early 2011 all new types of passenger cars and light
    vans will have to be fitted with dedicated daytime running lamps in
    accordance with the relevant European directive. By summer 2012 all
    new vehicles will have to be so fitted.

    Which will simply reduce visibility etc, and make the roads more
    hazardous
    for us.

    It will be worse if they mandate use of dipped headlights by cars not
    fitted with DRLs.

    They've done that in Italy (only outside towns).

    It might be the most-complied-with traffic rule the Italians have.

    I always forget...

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