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  1. finally had an oppurtunity to watch a biker with one of those flashing red
    leds at night on a rural road--biker had on one of those fluroresent jackets
    and no reflectors on pedals ( i consister them a must have)

    i imagined i was in a car

    the flashing lights i would have found distracting
    the jacket i could not make out what it was as biker had one of those
    handlebars you can lean on

    i would have never i repeat ever ride on this road--we had a hit and run
    bike accident this summer

    biker probably knew about it as he/she was heading over bridge to city
    island and all there would have heard about it.

    there was a bike path where i would have ridden

    biker i am convienced was trying to commit suicide

    led lights where visable for a mile--but not sure they would have made a
    difference--road had tons of curves on it and i would have been distracted
    looking at them

    anyway just some comments

    peter
    ps i have one of those flashing led lights

    peter

  2. "ilaboo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:tY6rj.23$J93.10@trndny08...

    Quoted message said:

    led lights where visable for a mile--but not sure they would have made a
    difference--road had tons of curves on it and i would have been distracted
    looking at them

    Most hazards have flashing lights on them. I'm thinking the driver's test
    needs to be improved to get those who are distracted by flashing lights and
    liable to run into them off the road.

  3. ilaboo said:

    finally had an oppurtunity to watch a biker with one of those flashing red
    leds at night on a rural road--biker had on one of those fluroresent jackets
    and no reflectors on pedals ( i consister them a must have)

    i imagined i was in a car

    the flashing lights i would have found distracting
    the jacket i could not make out what it was as biker had one of those
    handlebars you can lean on

    i would have never i repeat ever ride on this road--we had a hit and run
    bike accident this summer

    biker probably knew about it as he/she was heading over bridge to city
    island and all there would have heard about it.

    there was a bike path where i would have ridden

    biker i am convienced was trying to commit suicide

    led lights where visable for a mile--but not sure they would have made a
    difference--road had tons of curves on it and i would have been distracted
    looking at them

    Seems to me you're always at the mercy of other drivers when you're on
    the road. Best you can do is make sure those other drivers can see
    you. But like the founder of Chik-Fil-A (I think) wrote, "All you can
    do is all you can do. But all you can do is enough."

    To expand on those points, consider first that, whether you're in your
    car or on your bike, you can be killed by the driver of another
    motorized vehicle many times per trip. It's a bit easier to kill a
    cyclist, but a head-on collision, or a driver blowing through a stop
    sign or stop light (even when it's you!) can kill someone in a car/
    truck/SUV.

    So why aren't you (and I) dead? Well, most of the time the system
    works. Most of the time, people stay on their side of the road. Most
    of the time, other people don't drive off a bridge as we pass
    underneath. And so forth, and so on.

    So wring your hands if you wish, and look for perils wherever they may
    find you. Ride your bike only on isolated paths, tracks, or trainers,
    if your fears drive you to that. Just be aware that excessive
    patronage of the Fear-Mongers' Shop may be, well, excessive!

    Pat

  4. Quoted message said:

    finally had an oppurtunity to watch a biker with one of those flashing red
    leds at night on a rural road--biker had on one of those fluroresent
    jackets and no reflectors on pedals ( i consister them a must have)

    i imagined i was in a car

    the flashing lights i would have found distracting
    the jacket i could not make out what it was as biker had one of those
    handlebars you can lean on

    i would have never i repeat ever ride on this road--we had a hit and run
    bike accident this summer

    biker probably knew about it as he/she was heading over bridge to city
    island and all there would have heard about it.

    there was a bike path where i would have ridden

    biker i am convienced was trying to commit suicide

    led lights where visable for a mile--but not sure they would have made a
    difference--road had tons of curves on it and i would have been distracted
    looking at them

    anyway just some comments

    peter
    ps i have one of those flashing led lights

    peter

    I'm not getting something here. You're complaining about the lack of
    visibility of a cyclist that you could see? And further, that the flashing
    lights were "distracting?"

    Of course flashing lights are distracting. They're designed to be something
    you try to avoid. The idea isn't to identify the specifics of what's
    flashing. The idea is simply to not hit it.

    My guess, and it's a well-educated guess, is that you'd be far more likely
    to run into a cyclist if you were "distracted" by an attractive person in an
    adjacent car, or talking on a cell phone, or changing CDs.

    I ride in nasty conditions frequently (as frequently as Northern California
    allows, which fortunately isn't all that often, to be truthful), and haven't
    had issues with cars. I'm more concerned when I'm heading into the sun and
    cars behind might be blinded temporarily.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mike Jacoubowsky said:
    Quoted message said:

    finally had an oppurtunity to watch a biker with one of those flashing red
    leds at night on a rural road--biker had on one of those fluroresent
    jackets and no reflectors on pedals ( i consister them a must have)

    i imagined i was in a car

    the flashing lights i would have found distracting
    the jacket i could not make out what it was as biker had one of those
    handlebars you can lean on

    i would have never i repeat ever ride on this road--we had a hit and run
    bike accident this summer

    biker probably knew about it as he/she was heading over bridge to city
    island and all there would have heard about it.

    there was a bike path where i would have ridden

    biker i am convienced was trying to commit suicide

    led lights where visable for a mile--but not sure they would have made a
    difference--road had tons of curves on it and i would have been distracted
    looking at them

    anyway just some comments

    peter
    ps i have one of those flashing led lights

    peter

    I'm not getting something here. You're complaining about the lack of
    visibility of a cyclist that you could see? And further, that the flashing
    lights were "distracting?"

    Of course flashing lights are distracting. They're designed to be something
    you try to avoid. The idea isn't to identify the specifics of what's
    flashing. The idea is simply to not hit it.

    My guess, and it's a well-educated guess, is that you'd be far more likely
    to run into a cyclist if you were "distracted" by an attractive person in an
    adjacent car, or talking on a cell phone, or changing CDs.

    I ride in nasty conditions frequently (as frequently as Northern California
    allows, which fortunately isn't all that often, to be truthful), and haven't
    had issues with cars. I'm more concerned when I'm heading into the sun and
    cars behind might be blinded temporarily.

    I get to see a lot of riders who seem to think a
    rear, red blinkie is enough.

    Sometimes they have one (a red one) on the front.

    Sometimes they have red ones front & back.

    As for being blinded by the sun: last week as I
    was out & about, leaving a quick repast at the
    local DQ, I'm riding on a nice, secondary
    (fairly wide but unlaned) street. I come up
    to a residential street intersection which is
    controlled by stop signs[*]. Car driver stops
    for me, so I go. And this sk8board kid (on the
    cross-street) almost T-bones me as he blows
    his stop sign and shoots past the stopped car.
    I didn't see him because I had the sun in my
    eyes in that direction, which was to my right.

    Man, having to hit the binders when halfway
    across an intersection is /so/ odious!

    At the last nanosecond the kid jinked around
    the rear of my bike like I should have known
    that was what he was going to do. Maybe I
    would have, had I even known he was there.
    I was wearing my cycling sunglasses, which
    cut down the glare nicely, but they attenuate
    certain colours, especially green.
    Especially-especially jungle camouflage, and
    Canadian $20 bills.

    In Vancouver BC, skateboarders are (recently)
    legally entitled to board on the minor streets.

    Anyways at this time of year, the sun being so
    low in the sky (on days when you can see the
    sun at all) calls for extra caution.

    cheers,
    Tom

    [*] For fellow Vancouverites, I was southbound on
    Prince Edward, crossing either 14th or 15th.
    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    I'm really at:
    tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  6. "ilaboo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:tY6rj.23$J93.10@trndny08...

    Quoted message said:

    finally had an oppurtunity to watch a biker with one of those flashing red
    leds at night on a rural road--biker had on one of those fluroresent
    jackets and no reflectors on pedals ( i consister them a must have)

    i imagined i was in a car

    the flashing lights i would have found distracting
    the jacket i could not make out what it was as biker had one of those
    handlebars you can lean on

    i would have never i repeat ever ride on this road--we had a hit and run
    bike accident this summer

    biker probably knew about it as he/she was heading over bridge to city
    island and all there would have heard about it.

    there was a bike path where i would have ridden

    biker i am convienced was trying to commit suicide

    led lights where visable for a mile--but not sure they would have made a
    difference--road had tons of curves on it and i would have been distracted
    looking at them

    anyway just some comments

    peter
    ps i have one of those flashing led lights

    peter

    I think you must be stupid, really.

  7. On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 01:02:17 GMT, "ilaboo" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    finally had an oppurtunity to watch a biker with one of those flashing red
    leds at night on a rural road--biker had on one of those fluroresent jackets
    and no reflectors on pedals ( i consister them a must have)

    i imagined i was in a car

    the flashing lights i would have found distracting
    the jacket i could not make out what it was as biker had one of those
    handlebars you can lean on

    i would have never i repeat ever ride on this road--we had a hit and run
    bike accident this summer

    biker probably knew about it as he/she was heading over bridge to city
    island and all there would have heard about it.

    there was a bike path where i would have ridden

    biker i am convienced was trying to commit suicide

    led lights where visable for a mile--but not sure they would have made a
    difference--road had tons of curves on it and i would have been distracted
    looking at them

    anyway just some comments

    peter
    ps i have one of those flashing led lights

    peter

    I have flashing lights front, rear and side...YES side. For those
    people that seem to want to blow past me at a stop sign. I also run
    flags that are high enough to be in the drivers line of vision. Of
    course these are mostly for the day as I haven't yet found a light I
    can place on top of the pole. That will come I am sure.

    ANyway, the one main thing I try to do is stay OFF of main roads at
    night and limit myself to the side streets whenever possible.

    And I ride a Tadpole Trike as well.

  8. Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    ...
    I ride in nasty conditions frequently (as frequently as Northern California
    allows, which fortunately isn't all that often, to be truthful), and haven't
    had issues with cars....

    Should have been here (Cheese Land) this week for nasty conditions. Deep
    snow ruts temporarily lift cars off the road and send them sideways
    several feet at a time. Then after the streets are plowed, the
    temperature drops and the salt slush freezes into a thin, nearly
    invisible layer.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

  9. Harry Brogan said:


    I have flashing lights front, rear and side...YES side. For those
    people that seem to want to blow past me at a stop sign. I also run
    flags that are high enough to be in the drivers line of vision. Of
    course these are mostly for the day as I haven't yet found a light I
    can place on top of the pole. That will come I am sure.


    You would have less drag with an airfoil shaped mast. The mast could be
    covered in reflective tape, with a yellow strobe light mounted at the top.

    Quoted message said:

    ANyway, the one main thing I try to do is stay OFF of main roads at
    night and limit myself to the side streets whenever possible.


    The main roads (in urban areas) have the advantage of having traffic
    signals at intersections. The problem with minor roads/streets is the
    danger in crossing a more traveled way that has relatively fast traffic
    on it.

    Quoted message said:

    And I ride a Tadpole Trike as well.

    Weirdo! I ride this:
    <http://www.flickr.com/photos/19704682@N08/1939606083/>.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

  10. ilaboo said:

    finally had an oppurtunity to watch a biker with one of those flashing red
    leds at night on a rural road--biker had on one of those fluroresent jackets
    and no reflectors on pedals ( i consister them a must have)

    i imagined i was in a car

    the flashing lights i would have found distracting
    the jacket i could not make out what it was as biker had one of those
    handlebars you can lean on

    i would have never i repeat ever ride on this road--we had a hit and run
    bike accident this summer

    biker probably knew about it as he/she was heading over bridge to city
    island and all there would have heard about it.

    there was a bike path where i would have ridden

    biker i am convienced was trying to commit suicide

    led lights where visable for a mile--but not sure they would have made a
    difference--road had tons of curves on it and i would have been distracted
    looking at them

    anyway just some comments

    peter
    ps i have one of those flashing led lights

    peter

    He just might have had a rear view mirror (like I do) and been
    watching you, thinking, why doesn't that clown just pass me, instead
    of hanging back like he's waiting to find a place where he can cream
    me.

    Lewis.

    *****

  11. ilaboo said:

    finally had an oppurtunity to watch a biker with one of those flashing red
    leds at night on a rural road--biker had on one of those fluroresent jackets
    and no reflectors on pedals ( i consister them a must have)

    i imagined i was in a car


    --------clip----

    Quoted message said:

    peter


    I think the best idea is to actually try it in a car.

  12. Quoted message said:
    ilaboo said:

    finally had an oppurtunity to watch a biker with one of those flashing red
    leds at night on a rural road--biker had on one of those fluroresent jackets
    and no reflectors on pedals ( i consister them a must have)

    i imagined i was in a car

    the flashing lights i would have found distracting
    the jacket i could not make out what it was as biker had one of those
    handlebars you can lean on

    i would have never i repeat ever ride on this road--we had a hit and run
    bike accident this summer

    biker probably knew about it as he/she was heading over bridge to city
    island and all there would have heard about it.

    there was a bike path where i would have ridden

    biker i am convienced was trying to commit suicide

    led lights where visable for a mile--but not sure they would have made a
    difference--road had tons of curves on it and i would have been distracted
    looking at them

    anyway just some comments

    peter
    ps i have one of those flashing led lights

    peter

    He just might have had a rear view mirror (like I do) and been
    watching you, thinking, why doesn't that clown just pass me, instead
    of hanging back like he's waiting to find a place where he can cream
    me.

    Lewis.

    *****


    Possibly because it was all imagination?

    "i imagined i was in a car"

  13. John Kane said:
    ilaboo said:

    finally had an oppurtunity to watch a biker with one of those flashing red
    leds at night on a rural road--biker had on one of those fluroresent jackets
    and no reflectors on pedals ( i consister them a must have)

    Quoted message said:

    i imagined i was in a car


    --------clip----

    Quoted message said:

    peter

    I think the best idea is to actually try it in a car.

    Wait - you want "ilaboo" to drive? Sounds dangerous to me.

  14. "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    I ride in nasty conditions frequently (as frequently as Northern
    California allows, which fortunately isn't all that often, to be
    truthful), and haven't had issues with cars....

    Should have been here (Cheese Land) this week for nasty conditions.

    I *was* there.

    I left.

    Quoted message said:

    Deep snow ruts temporarily lift cars off the road and send them sideways
    several feet at a time. Then after the streets are plowed, the temperature
    drops and the salt slush freezes into a thin, nearly invisible layer.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

  15. When I used to commute during the dark hours my bike was equipped with a
    NightSun AND a blinkie in front (which also acted as a back-up to the
    main light), a blinkie and a red reflector on the rear, Nashbar triple
    reflector ankle bands, visible from all angles, 16 hi intensity
    reflective stickers on BOTH wheels, also visible from nearly all angles.

    In short I was lit up like a Christmas tree, the two sets of wheel
    reflectors making me LOOK like a bicycle. Not that this guaranteed my
    safety, but at least it pretty much insured no one would get away with
    the old "I never saw him" B.S.

    - -
    Compliments of:
    "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

    If you want to E-mail me use:
    ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net

    My website:
    http://geocities.com/czcorner

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Tom Sherman said:
    Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    ...
    I ride in nasty conditions frequently (as frequently as Northern California
    allows, which fortunately isn't all that often, to be truthful), and
    haven't
    had issues with cars....

    Should have been here (Cheese Land) this week for nasty conditions. Deep
    snow ruts temporarily lift cars off the road and send them sideways
    several feet at a time. Then after the streets are plowed, the
    temperature drops and the salt slush freezes into a thin, nearly
    invisible layer.

    Nokian studded ice tires. supernatural dominance over ice, make you
    spiderpig.

    --
    The part of betatron @ earthlink . net was played by a garden gnome

  17. Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    I ride in nasty conditions frequently (as frequently as Northern
    California allows, which fortunately isn't all that often, to be
    truthful), and haven't had issues with cars....


    Should have been here (Cheese Land) this week for nasty conditions.

    I *was* there.

    I left.

    Before the blizzard.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

  18. Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    I ride in nasty conditions frequently (as frequently as Northern
    California allows, which fortunately isn't all that often, to be
    truthful), and haven't had issues with cars. I'm more concerned when I'm
    heading into the sun and cars behind might be blinded temporarily.

    I worry about this too, which is why I try to avoid riding when sunset
    coincides with rush hour.

    In CA I would go mountain biking late afternoon, bringing lights and
    returning just after sunset. Riding back in the dark was probably safer
    than riding west on PCH into the glaring sunset during rush hour.

    It's also neat to watch the sunset from the top of a mountain!

    Matt O.

  19. Matt O'Toole said:

    On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:25:31 +0000, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:


    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:

    I worry about this too, which is why I try to avoid riding when sunset
    coincides with rush hour.

    Quoted message said:

    In CA I would go mountain biking late afternoon, bringing lights and
    returning just after sunset. Riding back in the dark was probably safer
    than riding west on PCH into the glaring sunset during rush hour.

    I found myself in this situation during a long ride last fall, riding
    straight into the setting sun on a narrow rural road. I swallowed my
    pride and dignity, and switched to the left side of the road until the
    road turned north.

    Bill

    __o | You don't stop riding because you get old.
    _`\(,_ | You get old because you stop riding.
    (_)/ (_) |

  20. Quoted message said:
    Matt O'Toole said:

    On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:25:31 +0000, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:


    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:

    I worry about this too, which is why I try to avoid riding when sunset
    coincides with rush hour.

    Quoted message said:

    In CA I would go mountain biking late afternoon, bringing lights and
    returning just after sunset. Riding back in the dark was probably safer
    than riding west on PCH into the glaring sunset during rush hour.

    I found myself in this situation during a long ride last fall, riding
    straight into the setting sun on a narrow rural road. I swallowed my
    pride and dignity, and switched to the left side of the road until the
    road turned north.


    That sounds like a different Bill - Baka that is, as he often wrote
    about riding on the wrong side.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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