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Tom Kunich wrote:

SchwartzSoft seems to be beta testing their new Troll 2008
trolling module on rbr rather than alt.test.

I'm not sure if its a bug or a undocumented feature, but the first
attribution is incorrect. And it doesn't seem to support
cross posting yet.
Please report any other bugs or feature slips to
[email hidden].

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich wrote:

SchwartzSoft seems to be beta testing their new Troll 2008
trolling module on rbr rather than alt.test.

I'm not sure if its a bug or a undocumented feature, but the first
attribution is incorrect. And it doesn't seem to support
cross posting yet.
Please report any other bugs or feature slips to
[email hidden].

Actually Tom is more respectful than those other clowns, and was
trying to be until he was purposefully misunderstood, and still showed
pretty damned good restraint.
The trolls are those clowns using Sheldon's death to spread their
political bile. I know that I'm frequently guilty of going off-track,
but this is just like Bushy boy using Pat Tillman.
Bill C

Bill C said:

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich wrote:

SchwartzSoft seems to be beta testing their new Troll 2008
trolling module on rbr rather than alt.test.

I'm not sure if its a bug or a undocumented feature, but the first
attribution is incorrect. And it doesn't seem to support
cross posting yet.
Please report any other bugs or feature slips to
[email hidden].

Actually Tom is more respectful than those other clowns, and was
trying to be until he was purposefully misunderstood, and still showed
pretty damned good restraint.
The trolls are those clowns using Sheldon's death to spread their
political bile. I know that I'm frequently guilty of going off-track,
but this is just like Bushy boy using Pat Tillman.

I didn't post anything to the Sheldon thread because I'm sure there's
nothing I could say that hasn't already been said. I was avoiding the
thread until it got brought up here. So I looked, and there's an awful
lot of people getting more vitriolic than they need to. And you're
right, Tom consistently showed pretty good restraint/respect.

Thanks for bringing the thread up again. There's a lot of good stuff in
there along with the bits of psychosis. For instance, I would have
missed Kurgan's excellent response in that thread without this one.

Bill C said:

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich wrote:

Quoted message said:

SchwartzSoft seems to be beta testing their new Troll 2008
trolling module on rbr rather than alt.test.

Quoted message said:

I'm not sure if its a bug or a undocumented feature, but the first
attribution is incorrect. And it doesn't seem to support
cross posting yet.
Please report any other bugs or feature slips to
[email hidden].

Actually Tom is more respectful than those other clowns, and was
trying to be until he was purposefully misunderstood, and still showed
pretty damned good restraint.
 The trolls are those clowns using Sheldon's death to spread their
political bile. I know that I'm frequently guilty of going off-track,
but this is just like Bushy boy using Pat Tillman.
 Bill C

Munro's point about "attribution" above is that Kunich
quoted Tom Sherman as saying a bunch of stuff
including "Nixon was a genuine man of the people,
which is why the educated liberal press persecuted him so. "
However, this stuff was all said by Andre Jute; Mr. Jute,
based on other stuff in r.b.tech, is a bigger whackjob
than Tom Kunich and Tom Sherman combined,
and that's saying something.

This is different than Bush using Pat Tillman because
these guys aren't actually waving signs of Sheldon
to support their political agendas. They're just
digressing obnoxiously. It's like two guys at a wake
getting into a loud argument outside (or at the snacks
table). It's crass, but it doesn't rise to the level of deliberate
selfish deception to advance one's own interest, which
is what happened (IMO) in the Pat Tillman case.

Ben

Tom Kunich said:

On Feb 9, 12:11 am, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Christ. Nixon was a genuine man of the people, which is why the
educated liberal press persecuted him so. He had the support of the
hardhats and the unions.

Let's remember that Nixon was actually a man of the people though he had
a whole lot of faults of his own. President Kennedy said that he had
more in common with Nixon than with those in his own government. They
were both naval officers and both had a common outlook.

Nixon was WAY more liberal than JFK. As Pres., Nixon pushed for Grants
in Aid, the Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty, The Anti Ballistic Missile
Treaty, Revenue Sharing, detente, The Catastrophic Health Insurance
Plan. He recognized the gov't of Red China. He was the 3rd most liberal
President of the United States ever, in terms of his agenda.

In terms of persecution, Vietnam and Watergate were pretty much
guaranteed to [censored] people off. There's a lot to get upset about there.

On Feb 9, 3:15 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bill C said:

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

SchwartzSoft seems to be beta testing their new Troll 2008
trolling module on rbr rather than alt.test.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm not sure if its a bug or a undocumented feature, but the first
attribution is incorrect. And it doesn't seem to support
cross posting yet.
Please report any other bugs or feature slips to
[email hidden].

Quoted message said:

Actually Tom is more respectful than those other clowns, and was
trying to be until he was purposefully misunderstood, and still showed
pretty damned good restraint.
 The trolls are those clowns using Sheldon's death to spread their
political bile. I know that I'm frequently guilty of going off-track,
but this is just like Bushy boy using Pat Tillman.
 Bill C

Munro's point about "attribution" above is that Kunich
quoted Tom Sherman as saying a bunch of stuff
including "Nixon was a genuine man of the people,
which is why the educated liberal press persecuted him so. "
However, this stuff was all said by Andre Jute; Mr. Jute,
based on other stuff in r.b.tech, is a bigger whackjob
than Tom Kunich and Tom Sherman combined,
and that's saying something.

This is different than Bush using Pat Tillman because
these guys aren't actually waving signs of Sheldon
to support their political agendas.  They're just
digressing obnoxiously.  It's like two guys at a wake
getting into a loud argument outside (or at the snacks
table).  It's crass, but it doesn't rise to the level of deliberate
selfish deception to advance one's own interest, which
is what happened (IMO) in the Pat Tillman case.

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Ben my thought was that Sheldon, while being liberal, was pretty
moderate, always civil, concerned for people, and those folks are
using his slight affiliation to give the impression that he would
support their extremist positions. They do him a huge disservice by
trying to attach his name to their agenda.
For that matter I can't see a single person here at rbr supporting
their positions. Despite some over the top heated rhetoric here. I
can't even begin to think anyone here would line up and shoot everyone
who disagreed as "an enemy of the state" or work a re-education camp.
They seem to happily support that kind of thing, and are proud of it.
I was wondering how, if they are in Europe they could manange to dodge
the hate/human rights speech laws that Davy [censored] about. I agree
with Davy on the subject of free speech, but since they are being
enforced in Canada and Europe those folks have either been missed, or
are here in the States.
Pat Tillman wanted to do something about 9/11. That had nothing to do
with Iraq. Sheldon was an incredibly civil person who seemed to have a
moderate Euro/left position, that has nothing to do with reverence for
Maoist/Stalinist government and the actions they committed.
Bill C

Bill C said:

Actually Tom is more respectful than those other clowns, and was
trying to be until he was purposefully misunderstood, and still showed
pretty damned good restraint.

Dumbass -

Showing good restraint would have been not reacting to bait in any way
whatsoever.

In an RIP thread, you pay your respects and that's it.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Bill C said:

Actually Tom is more respectful than those other clowns, and was
trying to be until he was purposefully misunderstood, and still showed
pretty damned good restraint.

Dumbass -

Showing good restraint would have been not reacting to bait in any way
whatsoever.

In an RIP thread, you pay your respects and that's it.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Agreed, but that's easier for some people than others. Tom tends to be
more agressive with his opinions, and to me, his level of restraint
really demonstrated his respect for Sheldon.
I was really amazed at how long it went before going off course, and
again I think that's a sign of how he was thought of by almost
everyone.
Bill C

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

Ben my thought was that Sheldon, while being liberal, was pretty
moderate, always civil, concerned for people, and those folks are
using his slight affiliation to give the impression that he would
support their extremist positions. They do him a huge disservice by
trying to attach his name to their agenda.

Yeah, those guys went off topic, but I have to note that they didn't criticize
Sheldon for his politics, unlike "retroguybilly".

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/98af7683b54ae3d2

Quoted message said:

For that matter I can't see a single person here at rbr supporting
their positions. Despite some over the top heated rhetoric here. I
can't even begin to think anyone here would line up and shoot everyone
who disagreed as "an enemy of the state" or work a re-education camp.
They seem to happily support that kind of thing, and are proud of it.

I can't figure out where you get that from any of those posts, Bill.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.
But I've already got a pitchfork...

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Bill C said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

On Feb 9, 4:48 am, Bill C <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Actually Tom is more respectful than those other clowns, and was
trying to be until he was purposefully misunderstood, and still showed
pretty damned good restraint.

Quoted message said:

Dumbass -

Quoted message said:

Showing good restraint would have been not reacting to bait in any way
whatsoever.

Quoted message said:

In an RIP thread, you pay your respects and that's it.

Quoted message said:

thanks,

Quoted message said:

K. Gringioni.

Agreed, but that's easier for some people than others. Tom tends to be
more agressive with his opinions, and to me, his level of restraint
really demonstrated his respect for Sheldon.

Dumbass -

That is a load of [censored].

An RIP thread is the online equivalent of a funeral. If you truly
respect the deceased, you don't engage in any sort of debate
whatsoever, either at a real funeral or in an RIP thread.

Some people like to try to make it all about themselves.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Dumbass -

That is a load of [censored].

An RIP thread is the online equivalent of a funeral. If you truly
respect the deceased, you don't engage in any sort of debate
whatsoever, either at a real funeral or in an RIP thread.

Some people like to try to make it all about themselves.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -

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It's like a kid without his ritalin, or whatever. Impulse control is
a problem. Maybe I'm stretching to support Tom on this one because I
think his story was purposely misunderstood. I think it was meant to
highlight Sheldon's reasonableness and nothing more.
Bill C

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

Ben my thought was that Sheldon, while being liberal, was pretty
moderate, always civil, concerned for people, and those folks are
using his slight affiliation to give the impression that he would
support their extremist positions. They do him a huge disservice by
trying to attach his name to their agenda.

Yeah, those guys went off topic, but I have to note that they didn't criticize
Sheldon for his politics, unlike "retroguybilly".

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/98af7683b54ae3d2

Quoted message said:

For that matter I can't see a single person here at rbr supporting
their positions. Despite some over the top heated rhetoric here. I
can't even begin to think anyone here would line up and shoot everyone
who disagreed as "an enemy of the state" or work a re-education camp.
They seem to happily support that kind of thing, and are proud of it.

I can't figure out where you get that from any of those posts, Bill..

--
                              tanx,
                               Howard

Whatever happened to
                        Leon Trotsky?
                        He got an icepick
                        That made his ears burn.
                     But I've already got a pitchfork...

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard I'm off that treadmill.
Bill C

Kurgan Gringioni said:

That is a load of [censored].

An RIP thread is the online equivalent of a funeral. If you truly
respect the deceased, you don't engage in any sort of debate
whatsoever, either at a real funeral or in an RIP thread.

Some people like to try to make it all about themselves.

Exactly so. If Tom showed restraint in that thread it was out of concern
of what other people would think of him if he acted as normal. Remember,
his eulogy was about how much 'smarter' he was than Sheldon one time.
Then Ryan tried to twist it as something more noble.

Kyle Legate said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

That is a load of [censored].

Quoted message said:

An RIP thread is the online equivalent of a funeral. If you truly
respect the deceased, you don't engage in any sort of debate
whatsoever, either at a real funeral or in an RIP thread.

Quoted message said:

Some people like to try to make it all about themselves.

Exactly so. If Tom showed restraint in that thread it was out of concern
of what other people would think of him if he acted as normal. Remember,
his eulogy was about how much 'smarter' he was than Sheldon one time.
Then Ryan tried to twist it as something more noble.

Kyle it's pretty obvious that I'm with Ryan here. I really do think
that Tom's story was told to highlight Sheldon's honesty, integtrity,
and humility. For someone with Sheldon's level of knowledge, applied
expertise, and fanbase to admit they were mistaken is incredibly
unusual, especially on the net, and indicative IMO of the best of
human learning and teaching. That typified Sheldon.
Bill C

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:02:06 +0100, Kyle Legate <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

That is a load of [censored].

An RIP thread is the online equivalent of a funeral. If you truly
respect the deceased, you don't engage in any sort of debate
whatsoever, either at a real funeral or in an RIP thread.

Some people like to try to make it all about themselves.

Exactly so. If Tom showed restraint in that thread it was out of concern
of what other people would think of him if he acted as normal. Remember,
his eulogy was about how much 'smarter' he was than Sheldon one time.
Then Ryan tried to twist it as something more noble.

dead on. nailed it. 100% correct, Kyle.

Notice in the supposed 'memorial post', he is totally compelled to
mention his own (alleged) "smartness' first, and foremost, long before
any good words for SB. It's actually a full 4 paragraphs later,
before he gets around that.

If his post was sincerely about SB and not himself, his last paragraph
would have been first,and the topic of the post. And the ridiculous
"I was right, SB even confirmed it via email" anecdote, that
comprisies the vast majority of the post, would have been dropped
altogether.

Simply calling TK a "self-absorbed [censored]" is an epic
understatement....

....and that's coming from a long time lurker's perspective, not
someone who has had to deal with the buffoon and his NG replies.

g

"gopher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:02:06 +0100, Kyle Legate <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

That is a load of [censored].

An RIP thread is the online equivalent of a funeral. If you truly
respect the deceased, you don't engage in any sort of debate
whatsoever, either at a real funeral or in an RIP thread.

Some people like to try to make it all about themselves.

Exactly so. If Tom showed restraint in that thread it was out of concern
of what other people would think of him if he acted as normal. Remember,
his eulogy was about how much 'smarter' he was than Sheldon one time.
Then Ryan tried to twist it as something more noble.

dead on. nailed it. 100% correct, Kyle.

Notice in the supposed 'memorial post', he is totally compelled to
mention his own (alleged) "smartness' first, and foremost, long before
any good words for SB. It's actually a full 4 paragraphs later,
before he gets around that.

If his post was sincerely about SB and not himself, his last paragraph
would have been first,and the topic of the post. And the ridiculous
"I was right, SB even confirmed it via email" anecdote, that
comprisies the vast majority of the post, would have been dropped
altogether.

Simply calling TK a "self-absorbed [censored]" is an epic
understatement....

...and that's coming from a long time lurker's perspective, not
someone who has had to deal with the buffoon and his NG replies.

g

I've always thought of him as Mr. Wilson with 1000 Dennis the Menaces in his
yard.

Bill C said:

Kyle it's pretty obvious that I'm with Ryan here. I really do think
that Tom's story was told to highlight Sheldon's honesty, integtrity,
and humility.

These are not traits which Tom finds any value in, obviously, so I find
it hard to believe that he remembers them as examples of Sheldon's virtue.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

?Bill C said:

Ben my thought was that Sheldon, while being liberal, was pretty
moderate, always civil, concerned for people, and those folks are
using his slight affiliation to give the impression that he would
support their extremist positions. They do him a huge disservice by
trying to attach his name to their agenda.

? ?Yeah, those guys went off topic, but I have to note that they didn't
criticize Sheldon for his politics, unlike "retroguybilly".

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/98af7683b54ae3d2

Quoted message said:

?For that matter I can't see a single person here at rbr supporting
their positions. Despite some over the top heated rhetoric here. I
can't even begin to think anyone here would line up and shoot everyone
who disagreed as "an enemy of the state" or work a re-education camp.
They seem to happily support that kind of thing, and are proud of it.

? ?I can't figure out where you get that from any of those posts, Bill.

Quoted message said:

Howard I'm off that treadmill.

If there's a treadmill, it's of your own making, Bill. You frequently make
outrageous assertions about the politics and positions of people on "the left" that
are based on nothing. There was absolutely nothing in any of the posts you're
referring to that could possibly lead anyone but Tom Kunich or Gunner to think the
posters were Stalinists, Maoists or, much less, advocates of "shooting everyone who
disagreed with them" or [having them] "work a re-education camp." Perhaps it's just
overheated rhetoric. Are you just trying to smear people, or do you actually believe
what you said? If you actually believe it, then you might consider the concept that
your political radar is a bit out of calibration. And no, that last was not a
suggestion that you need to go to a re-education camp.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.
But I've already got a pitchfork...

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,
?Bill C <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Ben my thought was that Sheldon, while being liberal, was pretty
> moderate, always civil, concerned for people, and those folks are
> using his slight affiliation to give the impression that he would
> support their extremist positions. They do him a huge disservice by
> trying to attach his name to their agenda.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

? ?Yeah, those guys went off topic, but I have to note that they didn't
criticize Sheldon for his politics, unlike "retroguybilly".

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/98af7683b54ae3d2

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> ?For that matter I can't see a single person here at rbr supporting
> their positions. Despite some over the top heated rhetoric here. I
> can't even begin to think anyone here would line up and shoot everyone
> who disagreed as "an enemy of the state" or work a re-education camp..
> They seem to happily support that kind of thing, and are proud of it..

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

? ?I can't figure out where you get that from any of those posts, Bill..

Howard I'm off that treadmill.

If there's a treadmill, it's of your own making, Bill. You frequently make
outrageous assertions about the politics and positions of people on "the left" that
are based on nothing. There was absolutely nothing in any of the posts you're
referring to that could possibly lead anyone but Tom Kunich or Gunner to think the
posters were Stalinists, Maoists or, much less, advocates of "shooting everyone who
disagreed with them" or [having them] "work a re-education camp." Perhaps it's just
overheated rhetoric. Are you just trying to smear people, or do you actually believe
what you said? If you actually believe it, then you might consider the concept that
your political radar is a bit out of calibration. And no, that last was not a
suggestion that you need to go to a re-education camp.

--
                              tanx,
                               Howard

Whatever happened to
                        Leon Trotsky?
                        He got an icepick
                        That made his ears burn.
                     But I've already got a pitchfork...

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?- Hide quoted text -

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Ok back on for one. We disagree. In discussing politics your an
operative who's interested in pushing an agenda, not having a
discussion. Which I'm fine with, but I wouldn't waste my time with
Rove, or Carville, because I know the script. I know your script now
too. Hit me over the head long enough I figure things out.
White is black, there are no extremists in what I believe, always
attack, and don't ever give any information which could be used
against your position. Always twist the others.
Your good at it, and I quit arguing with the local protesters a long
time ago because all you get is boilerplate. Granted you have more in
common with Mike Farrell, but it's still a waste of my time, unless I
become a leftist dittohead.
I can get Stevie's opoinions at Limbaugh, and what you're gonna say
at Rachel Maddow and no deviation allowed.
Bill C