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  1. Never been big into Cannondales, but no company deserves this:

    "Cannondale announces acquisition by Dorel Industries, Ltd.

    Cannondale announced that it has been acquired by Dorel Industries,
    Ltd., a Montreal, Canada-based 'global consumer products company' with
    US$1.8B in total sales last year. Dorel purchased Cannondale from a
    division of Pegasus Capital Advisors for a reported US$190-200M in
    cash but the final value of the transaction will be determined pending
    the report of Cannondale's annual earnings ending June 30, 2008. Also
    included in the sale is Canada-based cycling, running, and triathlon
    clothing manufacturer Sugoi Performance Apparel.

    Dorel adds Cannondale to its impressive portfolio of bicycle holdings
    which already includes Pacific Cycle, parent company of the GT,
    Mongoose, and Schwinn brand names. With this most recent acquisition,
    Dorel will now reorganize its so-called Recreational/Leisure segment
    into two distinct bicycle divisions: one to specifically address the
    needs of the independent bicycle dealer (IBD) channel and the other
    dealing exclusively with mass market, or 'big box', outlets such as
    Wal-Mart....":

    Rest of article at http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/news/02-05.

    Scott

  2. Scott Gordo said:

    Never been big into Cannondales, but no company deserves this:

    "Cannondale announces acquisition by Dorel Industries, Ltd.

    Cannondale announced that it has been acquired by Dorel Industries,
    Ltd., a Montreal, Canada-based 'global consumer products company' with
    US$1.8B in total sales last year. Dorel purchased Cannondale from a
    division of Pegasus Capital Advisors for a reported US$190-200M in
    cash but the final value of the transaction will be determined pending
    the report of Cannondale's annual earnings ending June 30, 2008. Also
    included in the sale is Canada-based cycling, running, and triathlon
    clothing manufacturer Sugoi Performance Apparel.

    Dorel adds Cannondale to its impressive portfolio of bicycle holdings
    which already includes Pacific Cycle, parent company of the GT,
    Mongoose, and Schwinn brand names. With this most recent acquisition,
    Dorel will now reorganize its so-called Recreational/Leisure segment
    into two distinct bicycle divisions: one to specifically address the
    needs of the independent bicycle dealer (IBD) channel and the other
    dealing exclusively with mass market, or 'big box', outlets such as
    Wal-Mart....":

    Rest of article athttp://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/news/02-05.

    Scott

    Ack you beat me by seconds ....

    R

  3. Scott Gordo said:

    Never been big into Cannondales, but no company deserves this:

    "Cannondale announces acquisition by Dorel Industries, Ltd.

    Cannondale announced that it has been acquired by Dorel Industries,
    Ltd., a Montreal, Canada-based 'global consumer products company' with
    US$1.8B in total sales last year. Dorel purchased Cannondale from a
    division of Pegasus Capital Advisors for a reported US$190-200M in
    cash but the final value of the transaction will be determined pending
    the report of Cannondale's annual earnings ending June 30, 2008. Also
    included in the sale is Canada-based cycling, running, and triathlon
    clothing manufacturer Sugoi Performance Apparel.

    Dorel adds Cannondale to its impressive portfolio of bicycle holdings
    which already includes Pacific Cycle, parent company of the GT,
    Mongoose, and Schwinn brand names. With this most recent acquisition,
    Dorel will now reorganize its so-called Recreational/Leisure segment
    into two distinct bicycle divisions: one to specifically address the
    needs of the independent bicycle dealer (IBD) channel and the other
    dealing exclusively with mass market, or 'big box', outlets such as
    Wal-Mart....":

    Rest of article at http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/news/02-05.

    Scott

    A fate worse than death. "To the PAIN!"

    Matt

  4. MattB said:
    Scott Gordo said:

    Never been big into Cannondales, but no company deserves this:

    Quoted message said:

    "Cannondale announces acquisition by Dorel Industries, Ltd.

    Quoted message said:

    Cannondale announced that it has been acquired by Dorel Industries,
    Ltd., a Montreal, Canada-based 'global consumer products company' with
    US$1.8B in total sales last year. Dorel purchased Cannondale from a
    division of Pegasus Capital Advisors for a reported US$190-200M in
    cash but the final value of the transaction will be determined pending
    the report of Cannondale's annual earnings ending June 30, 2008. Also
    included in the sale is Canada-based cycling, running, and triathlon
    clothing manufacturer Sugoi Performance Apparel.

    Quoted message said:

    Dorel adds Cannondale to its impressive portfolio of bicycle holdings
    which already includes Pacific Cycle, parent company of the GT,
    Mongoose, and Schwinn brand names. With this most recent acquisition,
    Dorel will now reorganize its so-called Recreational/Leisure segment
    into two distinct bicycle divisions: one to specifically address the
    needs of the independent bicycle dealer (IBD) channel and the other
    dealing exclusively with mass market, or 'big box', outlets such as
    Wal-Mart....":

    Quoted message said:

    Rest of article athttp://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/news/02-05.

    Quoted message said:

    Scott

    A fate worse than death. "To the PAIN!"

    Matt- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Seriously. I've never owned a Cdale nor swooned over one, but, man,
    this news made me throw up in my mouth a little. We have entered the
    age of the Wallondale.

    /s

  5. Scott Gordo said:


    Seriously. I've never owned a Cdale nor swooned over one, but, man,
    this news made me throw up in my mouth a little. We have entered the
    age of the Wallondale.

    "Another one bites the dust. And another one sells, and another one
    sells. And another one bites the dust".

  6. still just me said:

    On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:41:29 -0800 (PST), Scott Gordo

    Quoted message said:

    Seriously. I've never owned a Cdale nor swooned over one, but, man,
    this news made me throw up in my mouth a little. We have entered the
    age of the Wallondale.

    "Another one bites the dust. And another one sells, and another one
    sells. And another one bites the dust".

    What I take away from the press release is that Pacific Cycles will
    continue with its low-end bikes through high volume dealers, and
    Cannondale will continue in its current niche selling higher quality
    bikes through LBS. Cannondale bit the dust years ago and was
    purchased out of bankruptcy by its primary creditor Pegasus Parners --
    a venture captital group. Pegasus decided to maintain the value of
    the brand by keeping key managers and most of the production in the
    US. Dorel says its going to do to the same thing. If you believe the
    press release, Cannondale is not headed for Walmart, and it would not
    make sense to devalue the brand by selling it mass market. -- Jay
    Beattie.

  7. Chalo said:
    Jay Beattie said:

    What I take away from the press release is that Pacific Cycles will
    continue with its low-end bikes through high volume dealers, and
    Cannondale will continue in its current niche selling higher quality
    bikes through LBS.

    I think we can expect a major expansion of Cannondale's recent
    practice of having some of its frames manufactured overseas.  An
    aluminum Cannondale used to be a qualitatively different thing than an
    aluminum Trek, Giant, Redline, etc.  That's probably going to
    change.

    Quoted message said:

    If you believe the
    press release, Cannondale is not headed for Walmart, and it would not
    make sense to devalue the brand by selling it mass market.

    It didn't make sense for them to do it to Mongoose, GT, or worst of
    all, Schwinn.  But they did.  I think their track record speaks louder
    than their press release about where this is all going.

    If Dorel/Pacific think it is better for the bottom line to keep the
    Cannondale brand exclusive to the LBS market, then they will.  If they
    think it will be more profitable for the brand to be retailed through
    nationwide sporting goods chain stores, they'll do that.  And have no
    doubt-- if they think there's more money in selling $150 "Cannondales"
    at Wally World, they will do that.

    What I would not count on in any case is for the new owners to
    continue to uphold the few quality distinctions Cannondale has managed
    to retain-- or USA frame production, for that matter.

    Chalo

    right! hard times are upon the needy and Dorel is to the rescue.
    Cannondale's designwork was always worth a look: aesthetic tubing,
    raceful, made a statement, communicated.
    Does that sell to Everyman?

  8. Chalo said:
    Jay Beattie said:

    What I take away from the press release is that Pacific Cycles will
    continue with its low-end bikes through high volume dealers, and
    Cannondale will continue in its current niche selling higher quality
    bikes through LBS.

    I think we can expect a major expansion of Cannondale's recent
    practice of having some of its frames manufactured overseas.  An
    aluminum Cannondale used to be a qualitatively different thing than an
    aluminum Trek, Giant, Redline, etc.  That's probably going to
    change.

    Quoted message said:

    If you believe the
    press release, Cannondale is not headed for Walmart, and it would not
    make sense to devalue the brand by selling it mass market.

    It didn't make sense for them to do it to Mongoose, GT, or worst of
    all, Schwinn.  But they did.  I think their track record speaks louder
    than their press release about where this is all going.

    If Dorel/Pacific think it is better for the bottom line to keep the
    Cannondale brand exclusive to the LBS market, then they will.  If they
    think it will be more profitable for the brand to be retailed through
    nationwide sporting goods chain stores, they'll do that.  And have no
    doubt-- if they think there's more money in selling $150 "Cannondales"
    at Wally World, they will do that.

    What I would not count on in any case is for the new owners to
    continue to uphold the few quality distinctions Cannondale has managed
    to retain-- or USA frame production, for that matter.

    Chalo

    Is Cannondale so distinguished a brand that it is worth saving? (This
    is not a rhetorical question; I just know nothing about Cannondale.)

    Is it necessarily a bad thing to kick a sliding brand around a bit?
    (This is a rhetorical question. I know the answer. It is, No.)

    There are good conglomerates and bad conglomerates. Some of the
    world's finest bikes come from good conglomerates.

    A few decades ago, Raleigh was [censored], it's bikes were [censored], it's
    reputation was [censored]. It was sold to a conglomerate who thought they
    could milk the name. They came a cropper. Raleigh was sold to a good
    conglomerate and now the name is slowly coming to mean something
    again.

    Perhaps Cannondale comes out of the process leaner, meaner and once
    more honest, two or three owners down the road. If not, is it really
    such a hardship that another lowball bike assembler has bitten the
    dust?

    Andre Jute
    Economist & Darwinist

  9. datakoll said:
    Chalo said:

    Jay Beattie wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What I take away from the press release is that Pacific Cycles will
    continue with its low-end bikes through high volume dealers, and
    Cannondale will continue in its current niche selling higher quality
    bikes through LBS.

    Quoted message said:

    I think we can expect a major expansion of Cannondale's recent
    practice of having some of its frames manufactured overseas.  An
    aluminum Cannondale used to be a qualitatively different thing than an
    aluminum Trek, Giant, Redline, etc.  That's probably going to
    change.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If you believe the
    press release, Cannondale is not headed for Walmart, and it would not
    make sense to devalue the brand by selling it mass market.

    Quoted message said:

    It didn't make sense for them to do it to Mongoose, GT, or worst of
    all, Schwinn.  But they did.  I think their track record speaks louder
    than their press release about where this is all going.

    Quoted message said:

    If Dorel/Pacific think it is better for the bottom line to keep the
    Cannondale brand exclusive to the LBS market, then they will.  If they
    think it will be more profitable for the brand to be retailed through
    nationwide sporting goods chain stores, they'll do that.  And have no
    doubt-- if they think there's more money in selling $150 "Cannondales"
    at Wally World, they will do that.

    Quoted message said:

    What I would not count on in any case is for the new owners to
    continue to uphold the few quality distinctions Cannondale has managed
    to retain-- or USA frame production, for that matter.

    Quoted message said:

    Chalo

    right! hard times are upon the needy and Dorel is to the rescue.
    Cannondale's designwork was always worth a look: aesthetic tubing,
    raceful, made a statement, communicated.

    I guesss you don't recall the early (1983-84) C'dales, eh? Some of the
    ugliest bikes ever made, they looked like they were made in a basement
    by a drunk in a hurry.

    Quoted message said:

    Does that sell to Everyman?

    Sure, cheap BSOs with "Cannondale" festooned all over the frame will
    fly outta Wally World, Target, etc., at least for a few years.

  10. Ozark Bicycle said:

    I guesss you don't recall the early (1983-84) C'dales, eh? Some of the
    ugliest bikes ever made, they looked like they were made in a basement
    by a drunk in a hurry.

    I had one of those. A metallic sea-foam green one (Built up with
    Ofmega Mistral, Nisi Laser, Concor, Modolo, and white Looks). When I
    took it to Italy, the folks there called it "the pregnant" bike.

    I think the later models slimmed down a bit, and other bikes widened,
    so they don't seem so huge now, but back in the day it was like a bike
    from space.

    Joseph

  11. On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:55:10 -0800 (PST), Scott Gordo

    may have said:

    Never been big into Cannondales, but no company deserves this:

    "Cannondale announces acquisition by Dorel Industries, Ltd.

    Cannondale announced that it has been acquired by Dorel Industries,
    Ltd., a Montreal, Canada-based 'global consumer products company' with
    US$1.8B in total sales last year. Dorel purchased Cannondale from a
    division of Pegasus Capital Advisors for a reported US$190-200M in
    cash but the final value of the transaction will be determined pending
    the report of Cannondale's annual earnings ending June 30, 2008. Also
    included in the sale is Canada-based cycling, running, and triathlon
    clothing manufacturer Sugoi Performance Apparel.

    Dorel adds Cannondale to its impressive portfolio of bicycle holdings
    which already includes Pacific Cycle, parent company of the GT,
    Mongoose, and Schwinn brand names. With this most recent acquisition,
    Dorel will now reorganize its so-called Recreational/Leisure segment
    into two distinct bicycle divisions: one to specifically address the
    needs of the independent bicycle dealer (IBD) channel and the other
    dealing exclusively with mass market, or 'big box', outlets such as
    Wal-Mart....":

    So, anybody want to guess how long it'll be before Waldales show up to
    complement the Walgeese and the Schwinnstickers[1] in the rack at
    VoldeMart?

    [1] I regard the "Schwinn" bikes sold at Wal-Mart as being little or
    nothing more than commodity-level BSOs with a Schwinn sticker applied.

    --
    My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail.
    Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

  12. email hidden said:

    On Feb 6, 3:12 am, Ozark Bicycle

    Quoted message said:

    I guesss you don't recall the early (1983-84) C'dales, eh? Some of the
    ugliest bikes ever made, they looked like they were made in a basement
    by a drunk in a hurry.

    I had one of those. A metallic sea-foam green one (Built up with
    Ofmega Mistral, Nisi Laser, Concor, Modolo, and white Looks). When I
    took it to Italy, the folks there called it  "the pregnant" bike.

    It wasn't only the "fat tubes"; the early C'dales had hideous, lumpy
    welds and tubes that were bowed during the heat treating process
    (alignment was kept reasonable by putting the frame in a jig during
    the heat treating, so a frame could be sorta in alignment but still
    have noticeably bowed tubes). There were other issues, as well. By
    ~1986, the welds, at least, looked better.

    Quoted message said:


    I think the later models slimmed down a bit, and other bikes widened,
    so they don't seem so huge now, but back in the day it was like a bike
    from space.

    As fatter tubes became the norm, the early C'dales no longer stood
    out.

    I had forgotten just how really ugly the early C'dale production was
    until about 4-5 years ago, when I came across a guy riding an '83
    ST500, their first production bike. "Ewwww", indeed!

  13. Ozark Bicycle said:

    On Feb 6, 1:58 am, "[email hidden]"

    Quoted message said:

    On Feb 6, 3:12 am, Ozark Bicycle

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I guesss you don't recall the early (1983-84) C'dales, eh? Some of the
    ugliest bikes ever made, they looked like they were made in a basement
    by a drunk in a hurry.

    Quoted message said:

    I had one of those. A metallic sea-foam green one (Built up with
    Ofmega Mistral, Nisi Laser, Concor, Modolo, and white Looks). When I
    took it to Italy, the folks there called it  "the pregnant" bike.

    It wasn't only the "fat tubes"; the early C'dales had hideous, lumpy
    welds and tubes that were bowed during the heat treating process
    (alignment was kept reasonable by putting the frame in a jig during
    the heat treating, so a frame could be sorta in alignment but still
    have noticeably bowed tubes). There were other issues, as well. By
    ~1986, the welds, at least, looked better.

    Quoted message said:

    I think the later models slimmed down a bit, and other bikes widened,
    so they don't seem so huge now, but back in the day it was like a bike
    from space.

    As fatter tubes became the norm, the early C'dales no longer stood
    out.

    I had forgotten just how really ugly the early C'dale production was
    until about 4-5 years ago, when I came across a guy riding an '83
    ST500, their first production bike. "Ewwww", indeed!

    I had ridiculously narrow Avocet Fasgrip 19's too. The 80's was one of
    those transition periods where things looked particularly Frankenstein
    as old blended with new.

    Joseph

  14. aka Joseph Santaniello said:

    ...
    I had ridiculously narrow Avocet Fasgrip 19's too. The 80's was one of
    those transition periods where things looked particularly Frankenstein
    as old blended with new.


    19 mm is a silly width for a tire anywhere but the velodrome. At any
    pressure that can be used on real roads, a 23 mm tire will have lower
    combined rolling and aerodynamic resistance than anything narrower
    (assuming similar casing and tread), even at the speeds professionals ride.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

  15. email hidden said:

    On Feb 6, 12:59 pm, Ozark Bicycle

    Quoted message said:

    On Feb 6, 1:58 am, "[email hidden]"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Feb 6, 3:12 am, Ozark Bicycle

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > I guesss you don't recall the early (1983-84) C'dales, eh? Some of the
    > ugliest bikes ever made, they looked like they were made in a basement
    > by a drunk in a hurry.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I had one of those. A metallic sea-foam green one (Built up with
    Ofmega Mistral, Nisi Laser, Concor, Modolo, and white Looks). When I
    took it to Italy, the folks there called it  "the pregnant" bike.

    Quoted message said:

    It wasn't only the "fat tubes"; the early C'dales had hideous, lumpy
    welds and tubes that were bowed during the heat treating process
    (alignment was kept reasonable by putting the frame in a jig during
    the heat treating, so a frame could be sorta in alignment but still
    have noticeably bowed tubes). There were other issues, as well. By
    ~1986, the welds, at least, looked better.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I think the later models slimmed down a bit, and other bikes widened,
    so they don't seem so huge now, but back in the day it was like a bike
    from space.

    Quoted message said:

    As fatter tubes became the norm, the early C'dales no longer stood
    out.

    Quoted message said:

    I had forgotten just how really ugly the early C'dale production was
    until about 4-5 years ago, when I came across a guy riding an '83
    ST500, their first production bike. "Ewwww", indeed!

    I had ridiculously narrow Avocet Fasgrip 19's too. The 80's was one of
    those transition periods where things looked particularly Frankenstein
    as old blended with new.

    Way back when, I rode with a guy on an early C'dale "racing
    bike" (SR900?). He used those silly, 18-19mm wide Specialized Turbos
    on the stock, 36 spoke box rims, which seemed a bit wider than the
    tires. He rode a C'dale 'cuz, as a big guy, he wanted a "stiff" frame.
    With those tires and his size, pinch flats were more than a common
    occurance, even at 130+ psi. The bike looked silly, too, with those
    big, fat (red) tubes perched upon those skinny 'lil tires.

  16. Tom Sherman said:

    19 mm is a silly width for a tire anywhere but the velodrome.

    Anywhere? For anyone? For any purpose?

    Wow.

  17. MattB said:
    Scott Gordo said:

    Never been big into Cannondales, but no company deserves this:

    Quoted message said:

    "Cannondale announces acquisition by Dorel Industries, Ltd.

    Quoted message said:

    Cannondale announced that it has been acquired by Dorel Industries,
    Ltd., a Montreal, Canada-based 'global consumer products company' with
    US$1.8B in total sales last year. Dorel purchased Cannondale from a
    division of Pegasus Capital Advisors for a reported US$190-200M in
    cash but the final value of the transaction will be determined pending
    the report of Cannondale's annual earnings ending June 30, 2008. Also
    included in the sale is Canada-based cycling, running, and triathlon
    clothing manufacturer Sugoi Performance Apparel.

    Quoted message said:

    Dorel adds Cannondale to its impressive portfolio of bicycle holdings
    which already includes Pacific Cycle, parent company of the GT,
    Mongoose, and Schwinn brand names. With this most recent acquisition,
    Dorel will now reorganize its so-called Recreational/Leisure segment
    into two distinct bicycle divisions: one to specifically address the
    needs of the independent bicycle dealer (IBD) channel and the other
    dealing exclusively with mass market, or 'big box', outlets such as
    Wal-Mart....":

    Quoted message said:

    Rest of article athttp://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/news/02-05.

    Quoted message said:

    Scott

    A fate worse than death. "To the PAIN!"

    Matt- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    The first thing you will lose will be your status, now below all else.
    Then your QA at the outsourcing. Next your material quality...

    Not a huge crack'n'fail fan, but bad news none the less.

  18. Ozark Bicycle said:

    On Feb 6, 1:58 am, "[email hidden]"

    Quoted message said:

    On Feb 6, 3:12 am, Ozark Bicycle

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I guesss you don't recall the early (1983-84) C'dales, eh? Some of the
    ugliest bikes ever made, they looked like they were made in a basement
    by a drunk in a hurry.

    Quoted message said:

    I had one of those. A metallic sea-foam green one (Built up with
    Ofmega Mistral, Nisi Laser, Concor, Modolo, and white Looks). When I
    took it to Italy, the folks there called it  "the pregnant" bike.

    It wasn't only the "fat tubes"; the early C'dales had hideous, lumpy
    welds and tubes that were bowed during the heat treating process
    (alignment was kept reasonable by putting the frame in a jig during
    the heat treating, so a frame could be sorta in alignment but still
    have noticeably bowed tubes). There were other issues, as well. By
    ~1986, the welds, at least, looked better.

    Quoted message said:

    I think the later models slimmed down a bit, and other bikes widened,
    so they don't seem so huge now, but back in the day it was like a bike
    from space.

    As fatter tubes became the norm, the early C'dales no longer stood
    out.

    I had forgotten just how really ugly the early C'dale production was
    until about 4-5 years ago, when I came across a guy riding an '83
    ST500, their first production bike. "Ewwww", indeed!

    I had one, and it rode better than my custom steel frame and weighed
    a pound less. In a 63cm frame, the big tubes gave it a nice
    proportionality. I broke the derailleur hanger in a freak accident
    and replaced the frame free on warranty with a spiffy Black Lightening
    frame that I raced and rode for twenty years until it fell apart.
    Compared to current production Al frames, those things were bomb
    proof. -- Jay Beattie.

  19. Chalo said:
    Jay Beattie said:

    What I take away from the press release is that Pacific Cycles will
    continue with its low-end bikes through high volume dealers, and
    Cannondale will continue in its current niche selling higher quality
    bikes through LBS.

    I think we can expect a major expansion of Cannondale's recent
    practice of having some of its frames manufactured overseas.  An
    aluminum Cannondale used to be a qualitatively different thing than an
    aluminum Trek, Giant, Redline, etc.  That's probably going to
    change.

    Not according to the full news release, and even if they do move more
    production to Asia, that would be in keeping with all of the
    manufacturers including Trek, at least its low end products.

    Quoted message said:

    It didn't make sense for them to do it to Mongoose, GT, or worst of
    all, Schwinn.  But they did.  I think their track record speaks louder
    than their press release about where this is all going.

    Schwinn was never a premium brand. It was always a plumbing pipe,
    boat anchor brand that sold through its own stores until the company
    was driven in to the ground by feuding family members and competition
    ffrom overseas -- and then sold three (or four) times out of various
    bankruptcies. We may have all sorts of warm and fuzzy feelings about
    Paramounts, but those were the wall ornaments at the local Schwinn
    shop and not typical of the usual Schwinn production. I think that
    the current Asian Schwinns put out by Pacific are better than any
    Varsity I ever rode. And Dorel says in its press release that it is
    going to fluff up the GT brand and make that part of its top tier LBS
    offerings.

    Quoted message said:

    If Dorel/Pacific think it is better for the bottom line to keep the
    Cannondale brand exclusive to the LBS market, then they will.  If they
    think it will be more profitable for the brand to be retailed through
    nationwide sporting goods chain stores, they'll do that.  And have no
    doubt-- if they think there's more money in selling $150 "Cannondales"
    at Wally World, they will do that.

    True, business is business -- but why would someone want to compete at
    the lowest end of the market with narrowest margins? That does not
    make sense. Dorel already has brands in that market, and it looks to
    be following the usual course of purchasing a premium brand in an
    effort to increase its margins. This is a very common way to go.
    Ford owns Jag, Volvo and Land Rover and maintains those brands.
    Harman owns Mark Levinson and maintains that brand. There are many
    other examples.

    Quoted message said:


    What I would not count on in any case is for the new owners to
    continue to uphold the few quality distinctions Cannondale has managed
    to retain-- or USA frame production, for that matter.

    You may be right, but with the current state of the dollar, it may not
    make sense to move production of Al frames overseas immediately. It
    is the rare American manufacturer that has kept production here, and I
    don't think there is any guaranty that even the most traditionally
    Amereican of manufacturers will keep its production here, sad to
    say.-- Jay Beattie.

  20. "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Tom Sherman said:

    19 mm is a silly width for a tire anywhere but the velodrome.

    Anywhere? For anyone? For any purpose?

    Wow.

    There was a time when very narrow tires were the norm. I rode them myself.
    And geez, did they knock you around. I'm not sure what we were trying to get
    with those tires, but there were a lot of them out there. 18c even in some
    cases.

    For aerodynamic reasons, it's best to have a tire that matches the width of
    the rim. US Postal was very big on this. Rims at the time were fairly
    narrow, and they *could* have chosen to go with a narrower tire to match the
    rim they were provided with (by Trek). But instead they asked (ok, demanded)
    for wider rims to match their 22-23c tubulars.

    Saying 19mm tires have no purpose anywhere but a velodrome isn't true, but
    they certainly don't serve the purpose most think (delivering greater
    efficiency on normal roads). The OP was probably just reacting to that
    still-very-large group of people who think narrower always equals faster.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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