POLYESTER JERSEY ODOR

datakoll said:

An LBS owner in the frozen north explained his LBS sold wool jerseys
caws polyester hi tech jersey accumulated bacteria and smelled bad
(after worn to milk cows, shovel snow and manure).
I said I'd read that but couldn't smell BO on my poly wardrobe. I use
dilute dish detergent in a revolving drum washer-no agitator.

the machine format is a large part of any solution. the top loaders
don't wash anywhere near as well as the front loaders.

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I said, maybe the layering done in cold climates keeps UV from killing
bacteria as the poly T's I use are always out in the sun.
Then cold snaps lengthened. A small number of T's in non-dayglo colors
were used as layers not sun exposed fabric and ! LO! I noticed a
slight BO odor.
Idea is maybe the $75 and up jersey crowd can fabricate or have one
made in black walnut by the local cabinetry, a UV table with UV lamps
holding one or two jerseys for UV exposure and off course long
underwear. Possibley dampening the jersey with a salt solution
imitating sweat so the bacteria feel at home to go out for a swim
And get zappped!

datakoll said:

An LBS owner in the frozen north explained his LBS sold wool jerseys
caws polyester hi tech jersey accumulated bacteria and smelled bad
(after worn to milk cows, shovel snow and manure).
I said I'd read that but couldn't smell BO on my poly wardrobe. I use
dilute dish detergent in a revolving drum washer-no agitator.
I said, maybe the layering done in cold climates keeps UV from killing
bacteria as the poly T's I use are always out in the sun.
Then cold snaps lengthened. A small number of T's in non-dayglo colors
were used as layers not sun exposed fabric and ! LO! I noticed a
slight BO odor.
Idea is maybe the $75 and up jersey crowd can fabricate or have one
made in black walnut by the local cabinetry, a UV table with UV lamps
holding one or two jerseys for UV exposure and off course long
underwear. Possibley dampening the jersey with a salt solution
imitating sweat so the bacteria feel at home to go out for a swim
And get zappped!

Dakatoll,

Check this link : http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com/2008/01/whats-in-your-cycling-wear.html

Ron

Its d-a-t-a-k-o-l-l as mountain pass or coal. I'm involved and
devolved with doppler wave ethology. very esoteric. I had 2nd at the
8th grade SciFair predicting planet's end and my end, from coal.

? i dunno. The UV is offered as an idea. I stink as normally as the
next normaly stinky sweater but the poly doesn't. I only own polyester
and poly/cotton Duofold Veri-tec.

Never use detergent as the poly is expensive to poke holes in it with
so basic a wash. Use dilute Palmolive dish liquid, say three solid
squirts in one gallon H20 for geee I realy don't know the washer size
uh 2'x2' ????.

reads like something you'd see at Colorado Cyclist. Ask Groucho...

datakoll said:

Its d-a-t-a-k-o-l-l as mountain pass or coal. I'm involved and
devolved with doppler wave ethology. very esoteric. I had 2nd at the
8th grade SciFair predicting planet's end and my end, from coal.

? i dunno. The UV is offered as an idea. I stink as normally as the
next normaly stinky sweater but the poly doesn't. I only own polyester
and poly/cotton Duofold Veri-tec.

Never use detergent as the poly is expensive to poke holes in it with
so basic a wash. Use dilute Palmolive dish liquid, say three solid
squirts in one gallon H20 for geee I realy don't know the washer size
uh 2'x2' ????.

reads like something you'd see at Colorado Cyclist. Ask Groucho...

Pardon me for mis-spelling.

no problem. don't do it again. I ahve friends in buffalo.

datakoll aka gene daniels said:

An LBS owner in the frozen north explained his LBS sold wool jerseys
caws polyester hi tech jersey accumulated bacteria and smelled bad
(after worn to milk cows, shovel snow and manure)....

Hey, that is what we do around here!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:57:48 -0800 (PST), datakoll <[email hidden]>

may have said:

An LBS owner in the frozen north explained his LBS sold wool jerseys
caws polyester hi tech jersey accumulated bacteria and smelled bad
(after worn to milk cows, shovel snow and manure).
I said I'd read that but couldn't smell BO on my poly wardrobe. I use
dilute dish detergent in a revolving drum washer-no agitator.
I said, maybe the layering done in cold climates keeps UV from killing
bacteria as the poly T's I use are always out in the sun.
Then cold snaps lengthened. A small number of T's in non-dayglo colors
were used as layers not sun exposed fabric and ! LO! I noticed a
slight BO odor.
Idea is maybe the $75 and up jersey crowd can fabricate or have one
made in black walnut by the local cabinetry, a UV table with UV lamps
holding one or two jerseys for UV exposure and off course long
underwear. Possibley dampening the jersey with a salt solution
imitating sweat so the bacteria feel at home to go out for a swim
And get zappped!

UV is probably not the answer, for the simple reason that UV exposure
is one of the fastest ways to degrade any polyester polymer. Frequent
bacteria-lethal dosage of the cloth would probably render it
structurally unsound in short order.

OTOH, I've used poly underlayers for several of Houston's mild
winters, and as long as I remember to strip them off and replace them
with fresh ones after sweating heavily, they come out of the laundry
with no odor at all. It's the stuff that's been worn through several
sweat/dry cycles that ends up smelling like it was stored under the
catbox. To get that odor out, I've found that a second washing with a
borax additive generally does the trick nicely. BTW, I use only
perfume-free detergents; I have long suspected that the perfumed ones
leave something on the clothes which increase their likelihood of
stinking when sweated up. Plus, the perfumes all give me a headache
anyway.

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Werehatrack said:

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:57:48 -0800 (PST), datakoll <[email hidden]>

may have said:

An LBS owner in the frozen north explained his LBS sold wool jerseys
caws polyester hi tech jersey accumulated bacteria and smelled bad
(after worn to milk cows, shovel snow and manure).
I said I'd read that but couldn't smell BO on my poly wardrobe. I use
dilute dish detergent in a revolving drum washer-no agitator.
I said, maybe the layering done in cold climates keeps UV from killing
bacteria as the poly T's I use are always out in the sun.
Then cold snaps lengthened. A small number of T's in non-dayglo colors
were used as layers not sun exposed fabric and ! LO! I noticed a
slight BO odor.
Idea is maybe the $75 and up jersey crowd can fabricate or have one
made in black walnut by the local cabinetry, a UV table with UV lamps
holding one or two jerseys for UV exposure and off course long
underwear. Possibley dampening the jersey with a salt solution
imitating sweat so the bacteria feel at home to go out for a swim
And get zappped!

UV is probably not the answer, for the simple reason that UV exposure
is one of the fastest ways to degrade any polyester polymer.  Frequent
bacteria-lethal dosage of the cloth would probably render it
structurally unsound in short order.

OTOH, I've used poly underlayers for several of Houston's mild
winters, and as long as I remember to strip them off and replace them
with fresh ones after sweating heavily, they come out of the laundry
with no odor at all.  It's the stuff that's been worn through several
sweat/dry cycles that ends up smelling like it was stored under the
catbox.  To get that odor out, I've found that a second washing with a
borax additive generally does the trick nicely.  BTW, I use only
perfume-free detergents; I have long suspected that the perfumed ones
leave something on the clothes which increase their likelihood of
stinking when sweated up.  Plus, the perfumes all give me a headache
anyway.

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HOW FAST? one zap or two? do you have a scatter diagram for UV poly
degrade?
have you tried UV?
anyone here friends with the microbiology lab prof?

datakoll said:

Werehatrack said:

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:57:48 -0800 (PST), datakoll <[email hidden]>

may have said:

An LBS owner in the frozen north explained his LBS sold wool jerseys
caws polyester hi tech jersey accumulated bacteria and smelled bad
(after worn to milk cows, shovel snow and manure).
I said I'd read that but couldn't smell BO on my poly wardrobe. I use
dilute dish detergent in a revolving drum washer-no agitator.
I said, maybe the layering done in cold climates keeps UV from killing
bacteria as the poly T's I use are always out in the sun.
Then cold snaps lengthened. A small number of T's in non-dayglo colors
were used as layers not sun exposed fabric and ! LO! I noticed a
slight BO odor.
Idea is maybe the $75 and up jersey crowd can fabricate or have one
made in black walnut by the local cabinetry, a UV table with UV lamps
holding one or two jerseys for UV exposure and off course long
underwear. Possibley dampening the jersey with a salt solution
imitating sweat so the bacteria feel at home to go out for a swim
And get zappped!

UV is probably not the answer, for the simple reason that UV exposure
is one of the fastest ways to degrade any polyester polymer. �Frequent
bacteria-lethal dosage of the cloth would probably render it
structurally unsound in short order. �

OTOH, I've used poly underlayers for several of Houston's mild
winters, and as long as I remember to strip them off and replace them
with fresh ones after sweating heavily, they come out of the laundry
with no odor at all. �It's the stuff that's been worn through several
sweat/dry cycles that ends up smelling like it was stored under the
catbox. �To get that odor out, I've found that a second washing with a
borax additive generally does the trick nicely. �BTW, I use only
perfume-free detergents; I have long suspected that the perfumed ones
leave something on the clothes which increase their likelihood of
stinking when sweated up. �Plus, the perfumes all give me a headache
anyway.

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HOW FAST? one zap or two? do you have a scatter diagram for UV poly
degrade?
have you tried UV?
anyone here friends with the microbiology lab prof?

uv degrades polymers like that big time. wavelength energy sufficient
to break chemical bonds.

if you don't want to stink, don't drink coffee, use a front-loader, use
a proper laundry detergent, and add a little borax or baking soda.

jim beam said:

datakoll said:

Werehatrack said:

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:57:48 -0800 (PST), datakoll <[email hidden]>
may have said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> An LBS owner in the frozen north explained his LBS sold wool jerseys
> caws polyester hi tech jersey accumulated bacteria and smelled bad
> (after worn to milk cows, shovel snow and manure).
> I said I'd read that but couldn't smell BO on my poly wardrobe. I use
> dilute dish detergent in a revolving drum washer-no agitator.
> I said, maybe the layering done in cold climates keeps UV from killing
> bacteria as the poly T's I use are always out in the sun.
> Then cold snaps lengthened. A small number of T's in non-dayglo colors
> were used as layers not sun exposed fabric and ! LO! I noticed a
> slight BO odor.
> Idea is maybe the $75 and up jersey crowd can fabricate or have one
> made in black walnut by the local cabinetry, a UV table with UV lamps
> holding one or two jerseys for UV exposure and off course long
> underwear. Possibley dampening the jersey with a salt solution
> imitating sweat so the bacteria feel at home to go out for a swim
> And get zappped!
UV is probably not the answer, for the simple reason that UV exposure
is one of the fastest ways to degrade any polyester polymer. �Frequent
bacteria-lethal dosage of the cloth would probably render it
structurally unsound in short order. �

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Quoted message said:

OTOH, I've used poly underlayers for several of Houston's mild
winters, and as long as I remember to strip them off and replace them
with fresh ones after sweating heavily, they come out of the laundry
with no odor at all. �It's the stuff that's been worn through several
sweat/dry cycles that ends up smelling like it was stored under the
catbox. �To get that odor out, I've found that a second washingwith a
borax additive generally does the trick nicely. �BTW, I use only
perfume-free detergents; I have long suspected that the perfumed ones
leave something on the clothes which increase their likelihood of
stinking when sweated up. �Plus, the perfumes all give me a headache
anyway.

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HOW FAST? one zap or two? do you have a scatter diagram for UV poly
degrade?
have you tried UV?
anyone here friends with the microbiology lab prof?

uv degrades polymers like that big time.  wavelength energy sufficient
to break chemical bonds.

if you don't want to stink, don't drink coffee, use a front-loader, use
a proper laundry detergent, and add a little borax or baking soda.- Hide quoted text -

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dip the poly in sulfur

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 10:19:16 -0600, Werehatrack
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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To get that odor out, I've found that a second washing with a
borax additive generally does the trick nicely.

I haven't tried borax, but soaking in water to which some vinegar has
been added also works well.

Silk is the least odoriferous fabric I've encountered.
It may not be the ticket for jerseys, but silk undershirts rock.

Tom Ace

jim beam said:

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if you don't want to stink, don't drink coffee, use a front-loader,...

butbutbut, front loaders usually do stink:
<http://www.conwaysanitation.com/front%20loader%20truck1.JPG>!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

datakoll aka gene daniels said:

jim beam said:

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if you don't want to stink, don't drink coffee, use a front-loader, use
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dip the poly in sulfur

That should also work as an insect repellent.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

In article
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Tom Ace said:

Silk is the least odoriferous fabric I've encountered.
It may not be the ticket for jerseys, but silk undershirts rock.

In warm weather I wear a silk jersey.
In cooler weather I put wool and stuff on top of it.
Straight into cold water at ride's end.
Detergent every 4-5 rides.
Line dry.

--
Michael Press

On Feb 3, 3:24 pm, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

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datakoll aka gene daniels wrote: On Feb 3 said:

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dip the poly in sulfur

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That should also work as an insect repellent.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

cures rubber

On Feb 2, 5:57 pm, datakoll <[email hidden]> wrote:

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First of all: I you don't stink, chances are much better that your
jersies won't stink, even polyester (having lived through the Emily K.
poly jersey era).

Tide Free or similar doesn't put odors into clothes, at least to the
same extent that perfumy detergents and soaps do.

"Baby" laundry soaps and detergents, in my limited* experience using
them, are the worst for perfume and not rinsing out very well. Or
maybe Woolite is the worst. Others may feel free to make the
determination.

*"this stuff sucks" didn't lead to use past the new-baby-in-the-house
free sample stage.

You can manipulate the controls of your clothes washing machine to be
able to rinse in warm water for a first rinse and cold for a second,
final rinse, if needed. You can also run a rinse cycle with soap/
detergent in it, and/or use that load of water/detergent as a "soak
load" to be followed by a normal wash cycle, or a wash cycle with
extra rinse, whatever, all controlled as to water level and to some
extent for temperature-- your tax dollars at work have made "warm"
setttings (let alone hot!!!) for rises go away.

Try the 20 Mule Team, it's not gonna hurt anything at least.

Having kids leads to inventiveness IRT getting clothes (stain, odor
factors) clean while attempting to conserve energy, water, cleaning
products.

But, to repeat, the first step is to not stink before you put the
jersey on. --D-y

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....
You can manipulate the controls of your clothes washing machine to be
able to rinse in warm water for a first rinse and cold for a second,
final rinse, if needed. You can also run a rinse cycle with soap/
detergent in it, and/or use that load of water/detergent as a "soak
load" to be followed by a normal wash cycle, or a wash cycle with
extra rinse, whatever, all controlled as to water level and to some
extent for temperature-- your tax dollars at work have made "warm"
setttings (let alone hot!!!) for rises go away....

Not in the world of coin operated machines.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth