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  1. A postman cycling in the region of the Twickenham Delivery Office caught my eye yesterday. An
    impressive set of Rasta dreads was crammed into a woolly hat. Above the woolly hat, keeping the rain
    off, was the hood of his parka. And perched improbably on top of the hood was his brain bucket,
    stealth, standard issue, postal delivery operative (cycling) for the use of. Although he was on the
    pavement, my heart soared at the sight of a man with such a healthy attitude to authority and
    obvious talent for rule bending.

    All the Twickenham posties are now in lids, including the world's best postman, Mick, whose round
    includes the Chateau Kahn. And very dashing he looks too with his dark, straight, almost waist
    length hair streaming out behind. Mick's only real failing is his constant refusal, in spite of his
    racing headgear, of the challenge of a quick sprint to the end of the road for a fiver.

    --
    Dave...

  2. Dave Kahn said:

    All the Twickenham posties are now in lids,

    AFAIK *ALL* posties nationwide are now in 'em.
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  3. Dave Larrington said:
    Dave Kahn said:

    All the Twickenham posties are now in lids,

    AFAIK *ALL* posties nationwide are now in 'em.

    I see several York Posties on a morning with their helmets hung on the handlebars.
    --
    The Reply & From email addresses are checked rarely. mseries.freeserve.co.ukmseries.freeserve.co.uk

  4. On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:50:28 -0000, Dave Larrington <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Dave Kahn said:

    All the Twickenham posties are now in lids,

    AFAIK *ALL* posties nationwide are now in 'em.

    It is now compulsory I think. A hard fought struggle by the union to ensure their members' safety
    without actually checking whether it is safer of not.

    Incidentally, while we are on about lids I was amused to read this in yesterday's Times:

    [...] "Osbourne, the star of MTV’s hit reality show The Osbournes, suffered a fractured vertebra,
    eight fractured ribs and a broken collarbone in the accident in woodland at his country mansion."
    [...] "It is not known whether he was wearing a crash helmet."

    I can see that that would have prevented one or two of those broken bones!

    Colin
    --

  5. Colin Blackburn said:
    Dave Larrington said:
    Dave Kahn said:

    All the Twickenham posties are now in lids,

    AFAIK *ALL* posties nationwide are now in 'em.

    It is now compulsory I think. A hard fought struggle by the union to ensure their members' safety
    without actually checking whether it is safer of not.

    Incidentally, while we are on about lids I was amused to read this in yesterday's Times:

    [...] "Osbourne, the star of MTV?s hit reality show The Osbournes, suffered a fractured vertebra,
    eight fractured ribs and a broken collarbone in the accident in woodland at his country mansion."
    [...] "It is not known whether he was wearing a crash helmet."

    I can see that that would have prevented one or two of those broken bones!

    I'm not sure you could tell if it had prevented brain damage, either!

    --
    Trevor Barton

  6. "Dave Kahn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A postman cycling in the region of the Twickenham Delivery Office caught my eye yesterday. An
    impressive set of Rasta dreads was crammed into a woolly hat. Above the woolly hat, keeping the
    rain off, was the hood of his parka. And perched improbably on top of the hood was his brain
    bucket, stealth, standard issue, postal delivery operative (cycling) for the use of. Although he
    was on the pavement, my heart soared at the sight of a man with such a healthy attitude to
    authority and obvious talent for rule bending.

    All the Twickenham posties are now in lids, including the world's best postman, Mick, whose round
    includes the Chateau Kahn. And very dashing he looks too with his dark, straight, almost waist
    length hair streaming out behind. Mick's only real failing is his constant refusal, in spite of
    his racing headgear, of the challenge of a quick sprint to the end of the road for a fiver.

    --
    Dave...

    What is impressive about "Rasta Dreads" ?

    Graham

  7. Dave Larrington said:
    Dave Kahn said:

    All the Twickenham posties are now in lids,

    AFAIK *ALL* posties nationwide are now in 'em.

    None where I live are wearing them.

    John B

  8. Colin Blackburn <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    It is now compulsory I think. A hard fought struggle by the union to ensure their members' safety
    without actually checking whether it is safer of not.

    Analysis of the accident figures among posties before and after compulsion might give a real world
    indication of the real effect of helmets. Or it might not. Does anyone know whether the pre-
    compulsion data are available, and how detailed they are? Also, whether the rate of head injury
    among cycling postmen and postwomen is high enough to yield statistically significant results?

    --
    Dave...

  9. On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:50:28 -0000 someone who may be "Dave
    Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    All the Twickenham posties are now in lids,

    AFAIK *ALL* posties nationwide are now in 'em.

    Not quite. I saw several postal staff today and not one of them was wearing a helmet.

    None of them were cycling, but as we know that helmets are more important for motorists and
    pedestrians than cyclists...

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked
    keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

  10. Dave Kahn said:

    Analysis of the accident figures among posties before and after compulsion might give a real world
    indication of the real effect of helmets. Or it might not. Does anyone know whether the pre-
    compulsion data are available, and how detailed they are? Also, whether the rate of head injury
    among cycling postmen and postwomen is high enough to yield statistically significant results?

    They're mostly pretty experienced at cycling. So I doubt the data will tell us much.

  11. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    AFAIK *ALL* posties nationwide are now in 'em.

    It is now compulsory I think. A hard fought struggle by the union to ensure their members'
    safety without actually checking whether it is safer of not.

    Er, almost but not quite, from what I have read on this it seems more like a hard fought struggle by
    car-centric union officials who have (ab)used their power in order to impose polystyrene hats on
    cycling postmen, largely against their cycling members wishes.

    Meanwhile, motorised postal workers still drive around as if the streets were race tracks, with no
    seat belts or airbags and often with their side doors wide open...

    The first postie has already being sacked for not wearing their hat. It will be interesting to see
    how robustly 'their' union represents them...

  12. (Dave Kahn) said:

    Rasta dreads was crammed into a woolly hat. Above the woolly hat, keeping the rain off, was the
    hood of his parka. And perched improbably on top of the hood was his brain bucket

    Priceless! Thank you for that. JPEGS?

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

  13. On 12 Dec 2003 13:23:39 -0800, [email hidden] (Howard)

    Quoted message said:

    Er, almost but not quite, from what I have read on this it seems more like a hard fought struggle
    by car-centric union officials who have (ab)used their power in order to impose polystyrene hats on
    cycling postmen, largely against their cycling members wishes.

    On the other hand (and you really can believe I am not a liddite), the Health & Safety At Work Act
    is a seriously powerful piece of legislation, and I can quite understand the Post Office mangagement
    buying the idea of lids as personal protective equipment. To them it might be like the difference
    between forcing me to wear steel toecap boots and a hard hat while working on my house and while
    working on a building site.

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

  14. Howard said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > AFAIK *ALL* posties nationwide are now in 'em.

    It is now compulsory I think.

    Quoted message said:

    The first postie has already being sacked for not wearing their hat. It will be interesting to see
    how robustly 'their' union represents them...

    The way my postmen are complying, I won't be getting any mail.

    John B

  15. you know? said:

    Priceless! Thank you for that. JPEGS?

    Frayed knot. Matbe I should carry a camera.

    --
    Dave...

  16. you know? said:
    (Howard) said:

    Er, almost but not quite, from what I have read on this it seems more like a hard fought struggle
    by car-centric union officials who have (ab)used their power in order to impose polystyrene hats
    on cycling postmen, largely against their cycling members wishes.

    On the other hand (and you really can believe I am not a liddite), the Health & Safety At Work Act
    is a seriously powerful piece of legislation, and I can quite understand the Post Office
    mangagement buying the idea of lids as personal protective equipment. To them it might be like the
    difference between forcing me to wear steel toecap boots and a hard hat while working on my house
    and while working on a building site.

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

    the oddity with posties helmets is that it was the union that demanded compulsion.

  17. Quoted message said:

    the Health & Safety At Work Act is a seriously powerful piece of legislation...

    Which is absolutely irrelevant to the issue of 'cycling postmen'. In fact the only way the deluded,
    car-centric individuals who thought helmets were a good idea could push this though was to claim a
    polystyrene hat was part of a postmans 'uniform'. Ergo posties will be sacked for not wearing
    approved uniform, not on H and S grounds. Again, I see postemen everyday waering non approve
    clothing so the fact postmen are being sacked shows just how determined some are to see all postmen,
    (and all cyclists come to that) wearing bits of polystyrene on our heads. If the PO is really
    concerned about the safety of cyclists it could start by educating its van drivers to keep within
    the law and drive with due consideration, including the one who failed to give way to me at a
    contraflow gateway the other day and who was doing at leat 40MPH in a 20 MPH zone...

    It would be great if H and S legislation could be extended to the public road, in fact the HSE are
    looking to see how such legislation might be applied to 'the use of motor vehicles in the work
    place'. Given that the basic tenent of HSE legislation is to reduced the source of danger, with the
    use of PPE ('Personal Protective Equipment', such as helmets) being a last resort we could expect to
    see vehicle speeds reduced to 20 or perhaps 10 MPH anywheret they pose a risk to others. Bring it
    on! In fact under HSE legislation, an employer who provides PPE rather then reducing the source of
    danger is likely to be held liable for any injuries or deaths that occur..

    Anyone would like to know the HSE's official stance on the use of polystyrene hats by postmen might
    like to read the following, sent in reply to an inqiry made by the Colin Clarke of the UK National
    Cycle helmets forum.

    Dear Colin,

    Thank you for your report on the effect cycle helmets have on cycle safety. Unfortunately HSE are
    able to offer you little help in this area as we only have responsibility towards cyclists while
    they are engaged in a work activity. These cyclists will represent a very small number of the total.
    HSE has no remit with regards to workers cycling to and from work. Furthermore cycle helmets used on
    the public highway are specifically excluded from the Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) at work
    regulations. This means that it would be very hard for an employer to force an employee to wear a
    cycle helmet on health and safety grounds, they will however be free to require employees to wear
    cycle helmets as part of their uniform.

    HSE has no remit to dictate the uniform policy of a company unless it falls within the scope of PPE.
    Ultimately the wearing of cycle helmets is a matter on individual choice, any stance to the contrary
    could potentially be challenged on human rights grounds. With regards to the use of cycle helmets on
    the public roads by members of the public, this is a policy area that falls totally within the remit
    of the Department for Transport.

    Yours, Jon Windeatt Health & Safety Executive Safety Policy Directorate Workplace Transport &
    Special Hazards Section.

    30 Sept 2002

  18. Howard said:
    Quoted message said:

    the Health & Safety At Work Act is a seriously powerful piece of legislation...



    <snipped>

    Quoted message said:

    Given that the basic tenent of HSE legislation is to reduced the source of danger, with the use of
    PPE ('Personal Protective Equipment'

    <snipped>

    Incorrect. The role of the HSE is not to reduce the source of danger. Some jobs are inherently
    dangerous and will remain forever so. The role of the HSE is ensure that the *risk* of injury from
    that danger is mitigated by proper control measures and PPE.

  19. MSeries twisted the electrons to say:

    Quoted message said:

    I see several York Posties on a morning with their helmets hung on the handlebars.

    Well the only place manglement are likely to check for "helmet wearing compliance" so once
    you're out of sight of the gate on Leeman Road you can take the lid off with reasonable safety I
    imagine ...
    --
    These opinions might not even be mine ... Let alone connected with my employer ...

  20. Howard said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > AFAIK *ALL* posties nationwide are now in 'em.

    It is now compulsory I think. A hard fought struggle by the union to ensure their members'
    safety without actually checking whether it is


    safer

    Quoted message said:

    of not.

    Er, almost but not quite,

    And there was me thinking that this would preced a correction of facts. Oh well.

    Quoted message said:

    from what I have read on this it seems more like a hard fought struggle by car-centric union
    officials who have (ab)used their power in order to impose polystyrene hats on cycling postmen,
    largely against their cycling members wishes.

    Colin
    --

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