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  1. Quoted message said:

    The above reference is a mystery to me. I don't
    know what variables are involved nor what a collision of
    variables is.

    Quoted message said:

    I suggest you don't use it, because it is not
    commonly recognized and confuses the issue.
    Jobst Brandt

    Senior RBT contributor Jobst Brandt has suggested I explain or refrain
    from using my so called mystery phrase, "when variables collide". Mr.
    Brandt has also suggested that I may not even know what a variable is.

    RBT contributors as a whole, are very talented individuals who've
    enjoyed many unsung accomplishments. I feel that to chronologically
    list my own achievements, would be, in general, an insult to the overall
    intelligence of those who frequent RBT. Though accurate and true, out
    of mutual respect I've omitted details that some may consider
    self-indulging and boastful.

    Characteristics is a word that can be used to describe the steps,
    procedures, specifications and processes of the manufacture and assembly
    of component parts. These characteristics are typically measured in one
    of two ways. Either variable, meaning measurable by some definitive
    manner, or attribute, meaning accept / reject by a specific standard.
    From Mr. Brandt's book, the Bicycle Wheel, I'd like to site examples of
    both.

    Page 111, FINAL TENSIONING

    (quote) Spoke tension can be measured directly with a tensiometer
    [variable data] but it also can be determined by comparing the tone
    [attribute data] of the wheel to another properly-tensioned wheel of the
    same type. For the best ring, pluck the spokes at the nipples. By
    matching the tones of the spokes they can be brought very close to the
    same tension. (end quote)

    Mr. Brandt has identified spoke tension as a characteristic of
    assembling part components into a wheel. He's also identified that
    variable data (tensiometer) and/or attribute data (the plucked tone) as
    being the key characteristics of components assembled into a wheel of
    maximum strength.

    I coined the phrase "when variables collide" over 25 years ago. I used
    those three words to open a presentation on The Concept of Variation,
    Quality and Fitness for Use. The term was my simplistic way to
    illustrate and reinforce the need for Statistical Process Control (SPC)
    techniques in component part manufacturing and assembly. Controlling
    the identified key characteristics of the process insured that the
    characteristics were in control as well.

    Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

  2. (Michael Baldwin) said:
    Quoted message said:

    The above reference is a mystery to me. I don't
    know what variables are involved nor what a collision of
    variables is.
    I suggest you don't use it, because it is not
    commonly recognized and confuses the issue.
    Jobst Brandt

    Senior RBT contributor Jobst Brandt has suggested I explain or refrain
    from using my so called mystery phrase, "when variables collide". Mr.
    Brandt has also suggested that I may not even know what a variable is.

    RBT contributors as a whole, are very talented individuals who've
    enjoyed many unsung accomplishments. I feel that to chronologically
    list my own achievements, would be, in general, an insult to the overall
    intelligence of those who frequent RBT. Though accurate and true, out
    of mutual respect I've omitted details that some may consider
    self-indulging and boastful.

    Characteristics is a word that can be used to describe the steps,
    procedures, specifications and processes of the manufacture and assembly
    of component parts. These characteristics are typically measured in one
    of two ways. Either variable, meaning measurable by some definitive
    manner, or attribute, meaning accept / reject by a specific standard.
    From Mr. Brandt's book, the Bicycle Wheel, I'd like to site examples of
    both.

    Page 111, FINAL TENSIONING

    (quote) Spoke tension can be measured directly with a tensiometer
    [variable data] but it also can be determined by comparing the tone
    [attribute data] of the wheel to another properly-tensioned wheel of the
    same type. For the best ring, pluck the spokes at the nipples. By
    matching the tones of the spokes they can be brought very close to the
    same tension. (end quote)

    Mr. Brandt has identified spoke tension as a characteristic of
    assembling part components into a wheel. He's also identified that
    variable data (tensiometer) and/or attribute data (the plucked tone) as
    being the key characteristics of components assembled into a wheel of
    maximum strength.

    I coined the phrase "when variables collide" over 25 years ago. I used
    those three words to open a presentation on The Concept of Variation,
    Quality and Fitness for Use. The term was my simplistic way to
    illustrate and reinforce the need for Statistical Process Control (SPC)
    techniques in component part manufacturing and assembly. Controlling
    the identified key characteristics of the process insured that the
    characteristics were in control as well.

    Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

    First

    --
    THE Troll Feeder

    Beating other troll feeders to the trowel since 2008.

  3. (Michael Baldwin) said:
    Quoted message said:

    The above reference is a mystery to me. I don't
    know what variables are involved nor what a collision of
    variables is.
    I suggest you don't use it, because it is not
    commonly recognized and confuses the issue.
    Jobst Brandt

    Senior RBT contributor Jobst Brandt has suggested I explain or refrain
    from using my so called mystery phrase, "when variables collide".   Mr.
    Brandt has also suggested that I may not even know what a variable is.

    RBT contributors as a whole, are very talented individuals who've
    enjoyed many unsung accomplishments.  I feel that to chronologically
    list my own achievements, would be, in general, an insult to the overall
    intelligence of those who frequent RBT.  Though accurate and true, out
    of mutual respect I've omitted details that some may consider
    self-indulging and boastful.

    Characteristics is a word that can be used to describe the steps,
    procedures, specifications and processes of the manufacture and assembly
    of component parts.  These characteristics are typically measured in one
    of two ways. Either variable, meaning measurable by some definitive
    manner, or attribute, meaning accept / reject by a specific standard.
    From Mr. Brandt's book, the Bicycle Wheel, I'd like to site examples of
    both.

    Page 111, FINAL TENSIONING

    (quote) Spoke tension can be measured directly with a tensiometer
    [variable data] but it also can be determined by comparing the tone
    [attribute data] of the wheel to another properly-tensioned wheel of the
    same type.  For the best ring, pluck the spokes at the nipples.  By
    matching the tones of the spokes they can be brought very close to the
    same tension. (end quote)

    Mr. Brandt has identified spoke tension as a characteristic of
    assembling part components into a wheel.  He's also identified that
    variable data (tensiometer) and/or attribute data (the plucked tone) as
    being the key characteristics of components assembled into a wheel of
    maximum strength.

    I coined the phrase "when variables collide" over 25 years ago. I used
    those three words to open a presentation on The Concept of Variation,
    Quality and Fitness for Use.  The term was my simplistic way to
    illustrate and reinforce the need for Statistical Process Control (SPC)
    techniques in component part manufacturing and assembly.  Controlling
    the identified key characteristics of the process insured that the
    characteristics were in control as well.

    Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

    Thanks Mike. Welcome to RBT, hope you grow a thick skin and hang
    around. Nice to have a new voice that's thoughtful and experienced.

  4. Michael Baldwin said:
    Quoted message said:

    The above reference is a mystery to me. I don't
    know what variables are involved nor what a collision of
    variables is.

    Quoted message said:

    I suggest you don't use it, because it is not
    commonly recognized and confuses the issue.
    Jobst Brandt

    Senior RBT contributor Jobst Brandt has suggested I explain or refrain
    from using my so called mystery phrase, "when variables collide". Mr.
    Brandt has also suggested that I may not even know what a variable is.

    RBT contributors as a whole, are very talented individuals who've
    enjoyed many unsung accomplishments. I feel that to chronologically
    list my own achievements, would be, in general, an insult to the overall
    intelligence of those who frequent RBT. Though accurate and true, out
    of mutual respect I've omitted details that some may consider
    self-indulging and boastful.

    Characteristics is a word that can be used to describe the steps,
    procedures, specifications and processes of the manufacture and assembly
    of component parts. These characteristics are typically measured in one
    of two ways. Either variable, meaning measurable by some definitive
    manner, or attribute, meaning accept / reject by a specific standard.
    From Mr. Brandt's book, the Bicycle Wheel, I'd like to site examples of
    both.

    Page 111, FINAL TENSIONING

    (quote) Spoke tension can be measured directly with a tensiometer
    [variable data] but it also can be determined by comparing the tone
    [attribute data] of the wheel to another properly-tensioned wheel of the
    same type. For the best ring, pluck the spokes at the nipples. By
    matching the tones of the spokes they can be brought very close to the
    same tension. (end quote)

    Mr. Brandt has identified spoke tension as a characteristic of
    assembling part components into a wheel. He's also identified that
    variable data (tensiometer) and/or attribute data (the plucked tone) as
    being the key characteristics of components assembled into a wheel of
    maximum strength.

    I coined the phrase "when variables collide" over 25 years ago. I used
    those three words to open a presentation on The Concept of Variation,
    Quality and Fitness for Use. The term was my simplistic way to
    illustrate and reinforce the need for Statistical Process Control (SPC)
    techniques in component part manufacturing and assembly. Controlling
    the identified key characteristics of the process insured that the
    characteristics were in control as well.

    Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

    even if one had ever heard the expression before, it's not like it's
    hard to figure out what it means - even if one hasn't done any
    statistical control. but that won't stop jobst trolling for an excuse
    to try lording it over the plebes - only a wooden box will get in the
    way of that.

  5. (Michael Baldwin) said:
    Quoted message said:

    The above reference is a mystery to me. I don't
    know what variables are involved nor what a collision of
    variables is.
    I suggest you don't use it, because it is not
    commonly recognized and confuses the issue.
    Jobst Brandt

    Senior RBT contributor Jobst Brandt has suggested I explain or refrain
    from using my so called mystery phrase, "when variables collide".   Mr.
    Brandt has also suggested that I may not even know what a variable is.

    RBT contributors as a whole, are very talented individuals who've
    enjoyed many unsung accomplishments.  I feel that to chronologically
    list my own achievements, would be, in general, an insult to the overall
    intelligence of those who frequent RBT.  Though accurate and true, out
    of mutual respect I've omitted details that some may consider
    self-indulging and boastful.

    Characteristics is a word that can be used to describe the steps,
    procedures, specifications and processes of the manufacture and assembly
    of component parts.  These characteristics are typically measured in one
    of two ways. Either variable, meaning measurable by some definitive
    manner, or attribute, meaning accept / reject by a specific standard.
    From Mr. Brandt's book, the Bicycle Wheel, I'd like to site examples of
    both.

    Page 111, FINAL TENSIONING

    (quote) Spoke tension can be measured directly with a tensiometer
    [variable data] but it also can be determined by comparing the tone
    [attribute data] of the wheel to another properly-tensioned wheel of the
    same type.  For the best ring, pluck the spokes at the nipples.  By
    matching the tones of the spokes they can be brought very close to the
    same tension. (end quote)

    Mr. Brandt has identified spoke tension as a characteristic of
    assembling part components into a wheel.  He's also identified that
    variable data (tensiometer) and/or attribute data (the plucked tone) as
    being the key characteristics of components assembled into a wheel of
    maximum strength.

    Hey, I read that book. I broke a spoke about a month ago, resulting
    in a curved and rubbing wheel. After replacing the spoke, I
    tightened it until the tone matched the adjacent spokes from the same
    side of the wheel.

    I then spun the wheel by hand, and the wheel was perfectly true and
    needed no further adjustment...

    I thought it was marvellous.

  6. Quoted message said:

    It seems the rudest folks are all anonymous.
    Jobst Brandt

    Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 8:53pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Date: Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 12:19am (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Date: Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 12:09am (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:04pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 10:17pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:14pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:38pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    ...7 replies to _OTHER_ posts, your silence is deafening Mr. Brandt...

    Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

  7. Michael Baldwin said:
    Quoted message said:

    It seems the rudest folks are all anonymous.
    Jobst Brandt

    Quoted message said:

    Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 8:53pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Quoted message said:

    Date: Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 12:19am (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Quoted message said:

    Date: Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 12:09am (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Quoted message said:

    Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:04pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Quoted message said:

    Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 10:17pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Quoted message said:

    Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:14pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Quoted message said:

    Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:38pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Quoted message said:

    ..7 replies to _OTHER_ posts, your silence is deafening Mr. Brandt...

    Quoted message said:

    Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

    You seem to have a knack for cryptography. What do the above dates
    have to do with colliding variables? What replies are you missing?

    Jobst Brandt

  8. Quoted message said:
    Michael Baldwin said:
    Quoted message said:

    It seems the rudest folks are all anonymous.
    Jobst Brandt

    Quoted message said:

    Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 8:53pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Quoted message said:

    Date: Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 12:19am (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Quoted message said:

    Date: Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 12:09am (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Quoted message said:

    Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:04pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Quoted message said:

    Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 10:17pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Quoted message said:

    Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:14pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Quoted message said:

    Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:38pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

    Quoted message said:

    ..7 replies to _OTHER_ posts, your silence is deafening Mr. Brandt...

    Quoted message said:

    Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

    You seem to have a knack for cryptography. What do the above dates
    have to do with colliding variables? What replies are you missing?

    Jobst Brandt

    Yours, it seems.

    Maybe he's lonely, and thinks you're his type.

  9. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    The Troll Feeder said:

    --
    THE Troll Feeder

    Beating other troll feeders to the trowel since 2008.

    Trough? I do not understand trowel here.

    --
    Michael Press

  10. Michael Press said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    The Troll Feeder said:

    --
    THE Troll Feeder

    Beating other troll feeders to the trowel since 2008.

    Trough? I do not understand trowel here.

    It's a variable thing.

  11. Tosspot <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]-
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    Quoted message said:

    It's a variable thing....

    .... which collides every now and then

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