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vernon said the following on 04/01/2008 13:27:

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Know where I can get some human growth hormone? No questions asked ;-)

Just turn off your spam filtering :-)

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Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

vernon said:

I got on the scales today.

I'm under-height by 24"

Know where I can get some human growth hormone? No questions asked ;-)

Some serious downsizing of portions will have to take place!

An artificial BMI regulator would help here, guaranteed to get you BMI
to a decent value instantly. ;-)

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Martin.

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vernon said the following on 04/01/2008 13:27:

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Know where I can get some human growth hormone? No questions asked ;-)

Just turn off your spam filtering :-)

Don't you mean turn *on* the spam filtering?

Set for some vegetable broth tonight. Yum, yum...........

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I got on the scales today.

I'm under-height by 24"

Know where I can get some human growth hormone? No questions asked ;-)

Some serious downsizing of portions will have to take place!

Been there done that --- ooops sorry -- I mean I am there and I have a very
similar lack of height problem!!!!!

And I have my annual session with the cardiac consultant next Wednesday! Must
get some miles in this w/e regardless of wind/rain/mud/snow etc

--
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.
www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

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I got on the scales today.

I'm under-height by 24"

Know where I can get some human growth hormone? No questions asked ;-)

Some serious downsizing of portions will have to take place!

BMI really needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. When I was at my
fittest in my twenties I was supposedly slightly overweight, although I
really wasn't carrying any spare fat. These days I'm apparently obese
when actually I'm just carrying a few extra pounds around the middle
(cuddly, so I'm told). It's possible for heavier people to be much
fitter and healthier than those with an 'ideal' BMI. Having said that,
and despite my resistance to the notion of New Year's resolutions, I
could really do with eating better, exercising more and smoking less.

Rob Morley said:

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Quoted message said:

I got on the scales today.

I'm under-height by 24"

Know where I can get some human growth hormone? No questions asked ;-)

Some serious downsizing of portions will have to take place!

BMI really needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

And not used for measurement of individuals, it was designed as a
measurement for statistical studies of country sized groups.

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Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, vernon
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I got on the scales today.

I'm under-height by 24"

Know where I can get some human growth hormone? No questions asked ;-)

Some serious downsizing of portions will have to take place!

BMI really needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

And not used for measurement of individuals, it was designed as a
measurement for statistical studies of country sized groups.

I don't think a BMI of 40 is something that I can be complacent about.......

In the current dietary scare mongering climate, I'll do without the pinch of
salt too :-)

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I got on the scales today.

I'm under-height by 24"

Know where I can get some human growth hormone? No questions asked ;-)

Some serious downsizing of portions will have to take place!

I'm sure there are some British companies still making racks. Mind you,
you'd have to have an assistant to strap you in and wind it up.

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Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, vernon
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I got on the scales today.

I'm under-height by 24"

Know where I can get some human growth hormone? No questions asked ;-)

Some serious downsizing of portions will have to take place!

BMI really needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

And not used for measurement of individuals, it was designed as a
measurement for statistical studies of country sized groups.

If that's the case isn't it about time it was revised? It's obviously
wrong for taller people, and I thought populations were generally
getting taller.

Rob Morley said:

BMI really needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

As long as it's only a pinch - too much salt is bad for you.

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, marc

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And not used for measurement of individuals, it was designed as a
measurement for statistical studies of country sized groups.

If that's the case isn't it about time it was revised? It's obviously
wrong for taller people, and I thought populations were generally
getting taller.

I thought it was deprecated now anyway. The new fashion is waist/hip ratio.

-adrian

vernon' of said:

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Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, vernon
[email hidden] says...
> I got on the scales today.
>
> I'm under-height by 24"
>
> Know where I can get some human growth hormone? No questions asked ;-)
>
> Some serious downsizing of portions will have to take place!
>
BMI really needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

And not used for measurement of individuals, it was designed as a
measurement for statistical studies of country sized groups.

I don't think a BMI of 40 is something that I can be complacent about.......

In the current dietary scare mongering climate, I'll do without the pinch of
salt too :-)

I was BMI 46.5, but now down to 31.6, which is sadly still obese.

If you are going to be a successful at weight reduction, then I wouldn't
advise giving up salt at the same time. The highly flavoured things that
make food a pleasure to eat, like mustard, chillies, soy sauce, pickles and
so on have small amounts of calories and can make a lower calorie diet a lot
more interesting. I'm addicted to pickled onions, pickled cabbage and
capers. If you feel that you must reduce your salt intake try replacing it
with lemon juice or other sharp acidic flavours. They sort of satisfy the
same taste need.
--
Steph Peters
Chorlton Wanderers Cycling Group
Monthly slow and easy rides from South Manchester
http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/cycling/chwan.htm

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vernon' of said:

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Rob Morley wrote:
> In article <[email hidden]>, vernon
> [email hidden] says...
>> I got on the scales today.
>>
>> I'm under-height by 24"
>>
>> Know where I can get some human growth hormone? No questions asked
>> ;-)
>>
>> Some serious downsizing of portions will have to take place!
>>
> BMI really needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

And not used for measurement of individuals, it was designed as a
measurement for statistical studies of country sized groups.

I don't think a BMI of 40 is something that I can be complacent
about.......

In the current dietary scare mongering climate, I'll do without the pinch
of
salt too :-)

I was BMI 46.5, but now down to 31.6, which is sadly still obese.

If you are going to be a successful at weight reduction, then I wouldn't
advise giving up salt at the same time. The highly flavoured things that
make food a pleasure to eat, like mustard, chillies, soy sauce, pickles
and
so on have small amounts of calories and can make a lower calorie diet a
lot
more interesting. I'm addicted to pickled onions, pickled cabbage and
capers. If you feel that you must reduce your salt intake try replacing it
with lemon juice or other sharp acidic flavours. They sort of satisfy the
same taste need.
--

I wasn't /that/ serious about salt reduction. I probably have the lowest
salt intake in my family though. I never add it to fish and chips on the
rare occasions that I succumb to the olefactory lure of a decent chippie and
never add it to meals post cooking. My major failing isn't so much the type
of food that I eat than the portion size :-)

I suppose I could do a food diary but I am not that organised. I wonder
what Gillian McKieth would do with me.....perhaps not......

vernon said:

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vernon' of said:

"marc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Rob Morley wrote:
>> In article <[email hidden]>, vernon
>> [email hidden] says...
>>> I got on the scales today.
>>>
>>> I'm under-height by 24"
>>>
>>> Know where I can get some human growth hormone? No
>>> questions asked ;-)
>>>
>>> Some serious downsizing of portions will have to take
>>> place!
>>>
>> BMI really needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.
> And not used for measurement of individuals, it was designed
> as a measurement for statistical studies of country sized
> groups.
I don't think a BMI of 40 is something that I can be complacent
about.......

In the current dietary scare mongering climate, I'll do without
the pinch of salt too :-)

I was BMI 46.5, but now down to 31.6, which is sadly still obese.

If you are going to be a successful at weight reduction, then I
wouldn't advise giving up salt at the same time. The highly
flavoured things that make food a pleasure to eat, like mustard,
chillies, soy sauce, pickles and so on have small amounts of
calories and can make a lower calorie diet a lot more interesting.
I'm addicted to pickled onions, pickled cabbage and capers. If you
feel that you must reduce your salt intake try replacing it with
lemon juice or other sharp acidic flavours. They sort of satisfy
the same taste need. --

I wasn't /that/ serious about salt reduction. I probably have the
lowest salt intake in my family though. I never add it to fish and
chips on the rare occasions that I succumb to the olefactory lure of
a decent chippie and never add it to meals post cooking. My major
failing isn't so much the type of food that I eat than the portion
size :-)

I suppose I could do a food diary but I am not that organised. I
wonder what Gillian McKieth would do with me.....perhaps not......

climbs onto soapbox...

High salt intake is pretty bad for your health (possible about as bad as
being overweight or obese) and just eliminating post-cooking salt
doesn't reduce your intake much. Most of us need to reduce our salt
intake because almost all processed food (including bread) contains way
too much salt.

http://www.worldactiononsalt.com/index.htm
http://www.saltmatters.org

If you reduce your salt intake to about 3 grams/day or less you will
loose about 2 kg which is the water our bodies have to carry to deal
with a high salt intake.

steps down from soapbox.

Martin

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vernon said:

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"vernon" <[email hidden]> of wrote:
> "marc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> Rob Morley wrote:
>>> In article <[email hidden]>, vernon
>>> [email hidden] says...
>>>> I got on the scales today.
>>>>
>>>> I'm under-height by 24"
>>>>
>>>> Know where I can get some human growth hormone? No questions asked
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Some serious downsizing of portions will have to take place!
>>>>
>>> BMI really needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.
>> And not used for measurement of individuals, it was designed as a
>> measurement for statistical studies of country sized groups.
> I don't think a BMI of 40 is something that I can be complacent
> about.......
>
> In the current dietary scare mongering climate, I'll do without the
> pinch of salt too :-)
>
I was BMI 46.5, but now down to 31.6, which is sadly still obese.

If you are going to be a successful at weight reduction, then I wouldn't
advise giving up salt at the same time. The highly flavoured things
that make food a pleasure to eat, like mustard, chillies, soy sauce,
pickles and so on have small amounts of calories and can make a lower
calorie diet a lot more interesting. I'm addicted to pickled onions,
pickled cabbage and capers. If you feel that you must reduce your salt
intake try replacing it with lemon juice or other sharp acidic flavours.
They sort of satisfy the same taste need. --

I wasn't /that/ serious about salt reduction. I probably have the lowest
salt intake in my family though. I never add it to fish and chips on the
rare occasions that I succumb to the olefactory lure of a decent chippie
and never add it to meals post cooking. My major failing isn't so much
the type of food that I eat than the portion size :-)

I suppose I could do a food diary but I am not that organised. I wonder
what Gillian McKieth would do with me.....perhaps not......

climbs onto soapbox...

High salt intake is pretty bad for your health (possible about as bad as
being overweight or obese) and just eliminating post-cooking salt doesn't
reduce your intake much. Most of us need to reduce our salt intake because
almost all processed food (including bread) contains way too much salt.
steps down from soapbox.

I have a normal salt intake through eating multiple large portions of
undersalted food..........

Martin said:

High salt intake is pretty bad for your health (possible about as
bad as being overweight or obese) and just eliminating post-cooking
salt doesn't reduce your intake much. Most of us need to reduce our
salt intake because almost all processed food (including bread)
contains way too much salt.

http://www.worldactiononsalt.com/index.htm
http://www.saltmatters.org

Sounds a bit alarmist to me. See e.g.

http://heartdisease.about.com/library/blaskdr010.htm
or
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/281/5379/898?ijkey=ATm56Jl8nBVYU

for countervailing opinions.

Brendan

ObjBike: must now go and put the chain (well shaken) back on bike.
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Brendan Halpin, Department of Sociology, University of Limerick, Ireland
Tel: w +353-61-213147 f +353-61-202569 h +353-61-338562; Room F2-025 x 3147
[email hidden] http://www.ul.ie/sociology/brendan.halpin.html

Martin of BigPond Internet Services said:

climbs onto soapbox...

High salt intake is pretty bad for your health (possible about as bad as
being overweight or obese) and just eliminating post-cooking salt
doesn't reduce your intake much. Most of us need to reduce our salt
intake because almost all processed food (including bread) contains way
too much salt.

http://www.worldactiononsalt.com/index.htm
http://www.saltmatters.org

If you reduce your salt intake to about 3 grams/day or less you will
loose about 2 kg which is the water our bodies have to carry to deal
with a high salt intake.

steps down from soapbox.

A major part of weight reduction is stopping eating processed food, and
cooking your own from raw ingredients so that you know what has gone into
it. Add in the necessary reduction in portion sizes you will inevitably
reduce your salt consumption, even if you replace processed food with the
same dishes.

The 2kg of water from high salt intake is neither here nor there in the
context Vernon and I are discussing. I do agree though that post-cooking
salt isn't a major part of the salt we consume.
--
Steph Peters
Chorlton Wanderers Cycling Group
Monthly slow and easy rides from South Manchester
http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/cycling/chwan.htm

In reply to Brendan's post which my ISP doesn't appear to have received:

Brendan Halpin said:

Martin said:

High salt intake is pretty bad for your health (possible about as
bad as being overweight or obese) and just eliminating post-cooking
salt doesn't reduce your intake much. Most of us need to reduce our
salt intake because almost all processed food (including bread)
contains way too much salt.

Quoted message said:

http://www.worldactiononsalt.com/index.htm
http://www.saltmatters.org

Sounds a bit alarmist to me. See e.g.

http://heartdisease.about.com/library/blaskdr010.htm

orhttp://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/281/5379/898?ijkey=ATm56Jl...

Quoted message said:

for countervailing opinions.

Brendan

ObjBike: must now go and put the chain (well shaken) back on bike.
--
Brendan Halpin, Department of Sociology, University of Limerick,

Ireland

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Tel: w +353-61-213147 f +353-61-202569 h +353-61-338562; Room F2-025

x 3147

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http://www.ul.ie/sociology/brendan.halpin.html

I don't want to hijack this thread and turn it into a discussion on salt
but I would like to add this as my final comment. The evidence against
salt is as strong as or stronger than the evidence against tobacco. A
lot of people are making a lot of money from salt and various scientists
have been paid by the salt industry to give the impression that this is
a 'controversial issue'. It isn't. That is why organisations like WASH,
AWASH and saltmatters have been started. If you contact me directly I
can point you to some of the evidence.

Martin

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:37:30 +0000

Steph Peters said:

If you are going to be a successful at weight reduction, then I
wouldn't advise giving up salt at the same time. The highly
flavoured things that make food a pleasure to eat, like mustard,
chillies, soy sauce, pickles and so on have small amounts of calories
and can make a lower calorie diet a lot more interesting.

Not to mention a high calorie diet. But how do you lump all those
things from soy sauce (very high salt) to chillies (no salt) together?

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I'm
addicted to pickled onions, pickled cabbage and capers. If you feel
that you must reduce your salt intake try replacing it with lemon
juice or other sharp acidic flavours. They sort of satisfy the same
taste need. --

Not entirely. The highest salt food I refuse to give up is olives,
the taste for which I acquired in my six years in central Italy.

Here's a question for the salt crusaders. Italians consume hugely
more salt than Brits[1], yet have less of a problem with heart
disease than we do. How come?

[1] It's even in the language. "Insalata" == "salad", but the
"salata" literally means "salted", to the extent that I found it
quite challenging to eat. If you reduce the salt to the point
where I liked it, the word is another familiar one: "insipido".

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not me guv