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  1. 'nuff sed. Words such as goolies, cut, off, burn and body come to mind :-)

    helen s

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    &ItemId=NOED11+Dec+2003+12%3A07%3A50%3A080>

    or

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    "Man walks free after sixth drink drive

    December 11, 2003 12:06

    A NORWICH man has walked free from court after admitting his sixth drink driving offence.

    Road safety campaigners slammed the sentence which was imposed on the day that Norfolk police
    launched its annual campaign against drink driving.

    Ashmeed Ghanie, 26, of Thorpe Road, was sentenced to an 18-month community rehabilitation order and
    to pay costs of £60 after admitting being more than three times over the legal limit when he was
    stopped in Riverside on October
    26.

    Anti drink drive campaigners fear it is just a matter of time before Ghanie kills.

    Alison Hindley, whose grandfather Len Moakes was mown down by a hit-and-run driver after downing
    seven whiskies, said she was "disgusted" with yesterday's sentence for Ghanie.

    She said: "If the magistrates and judges are going to be so lenient then people are going to keep on
    doing it. The police are making a point of stopping people but they are not being backed up by the
    courts. I am worried the next time this person drives, he may kill someone.

    Mrs Hindley, 27, said her family was still trying to come to terms with the accident which killed
    her grandfather in November last year.

    "The man that killed my grandfather was sentenced to 15 months but I know he came out last month
    because I have seen him.

    "These sentences are just too lenient on drink drivers. I was very angry when I saw him because he
    is now a free man but we are still picking up the pieces.

    "We think about the accident all the time, we went and put flowers on the road on the anniversary
    last month. This is our second Christmas without him now. My uncle who lived with my granddad has
    had to move because the accident happened outside his home."

    Mrs Hindley said motorists should think of the potential consequences of their actions before they
    drink and drive.

    "The people who do drink and drive just don't think of the consequences. If they had to go through
    what my family has been through over the last year, they would not do it because they would not want
    their family to go through the same thing."

    John Sparrow, of the Campaign Against Drink Driving (CADD), said he felt victims of drink drivers
    were being let down by the courts.

    "My son was 16 when he was killed by a drink driver. The driver got a 16 month prison sentence but
    we have heard of much more lenient sentences than this.

    "The other day in Bristol, a drink driver who had knocked someone down and killed them, got a £150
    fine and a 12-month ban."

    Ron Jessup, vice chairman of CADD, added: "It is ludicrous in terms of the variance in sentences
    across the country — there is no consistency.

    "If this man is a six-time offender, he is obviously not getting the message. The punishment ought
    to be more severe to convince this driver to change his ways. Otherwise, it is only a matter of time
    before he kills someone.

    "When you look at the number of deaths on the roads caused by drink driving, a large proportion are
    caused by regular offenders — people with multiple convictions already.

    "The Government should instruct the courts to impose stricter penalties. There is far too much left
    to magistrates' and judges' discretion.

    "I am not calling to lock them up and throw away the key. There needs to be an educational
    programme, which works in conjunction with a custodial sentence."

    Norfolk police would not comment directly on the case but have said that they are planning to
    specifically target persistent drink drivers as part of their Christmas crackdown to get them in
    front of the courts.

    The traditional check points will be set up on roads across the county between December 18 and
    January 1 and drivers involved in road accidents will be breathalysed.

    But the ethos of Operation Harrier the countywide initiative aimed at disrupting the activities of
    known criminals is likely to be applied to the campaign and officers are urging members of the
    public to report those who are drinking and driving and their movements.

    Last Christmas 56 people were arrested by Norfolk police during the drink driving initiative, 10 of
    whom were involved in accidents and there were 90 injury accidents.

    Ghanie, an unemployed father-of-siz, was banned from driving for four years, but could get behind
    the wheel sooner if he successfully completes a drink driving rehabilitation course.

    Chairwoman of the bench Hill Tallowin said: "This offence is much aggravated by the five previous
    drink driving offences.

    "But we have taken into consideration your remorse, that you have co-operated and that you are
    recovering from a recent trauma.

    "I must tell, and please take this on board, that if you breach this order, no other punishment but
    custody will be imposed."

    Prosecutor Ray Osborne said Ghania was stopped shortly after midnight on October 26 because his
    car's lights were not switched on.

    A roadside breath test was positive and a further test at the police station showed he 117
    micrograms of alcohol in 100 millilitres of breath, more than three times the legal limit of 35.

    Alistair Taunton, mitigating for Ghania said: "He has an unenviable record particularly with regard
    to similar offences."

    But his last drink driving offence was five years ago and his last offence of any kind was three
    years ago.

    Ghania had had to move to Norwich, away from family and friends after being attacked, he said.

    As a result of that attack he still had to attend hospital physiotherapy sessions and orthopaedic
    clinics. He was receiving disability living allowance and did not know when he would be fit to
    work again.

    Mr Taunton said Ghania accepted he should not have driven and acknowledged that he had a
    drink problem."

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  2. "dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20031211113850.11565.00000448@mb-
    m25.aol.com... <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Chairwoman of the bench Hill Tallowin

    Did he call her "Aunt Hill" at any point ??

    Quoted message said:

    said: "This offence is much aggravated by
    the five previous drink driving offences.


    Really??...apparently not!!

    Quoted message said:

    "But we have taken into consideration your remorse,

    I bet!!

    Quoted message said:

    that you have co-operated and that you are recovering from a recent trauma.


    Poor dear, scratch on his mdgs door was it ??...and the victims family??

    Quoted message said:

    "I must tell, and please take this on board, that if you breach this


    order, no

    Quoted message said:

    other punishment but custody will be imposed."

    Prosecutor Ray Osborne said Ghania was stopped shortly after midnight on October 26 because his
    car's lights were not switched on.


    Ah!, a potential cyclist

    Quoted message said:

    A roadside breath test was positive and a further test at the police


    station

    Quoted message said:

    showed he 117 micrograms of alcohol in 100 millilitres of breath, more


    than

    Quoted message said:

    three times the legal limit of 35.


    Only 3 times??...obviously taking it easy...wusss!

    Quoted message said:

    Alistair Taunton, mitigating for Ghania said: "He has an unenviable record particularly with
    regard to similar offences."


    Glad he's not on my side

    Quoted message said:

    But his last drink driving offence was five years ago and his last offence


    of

    Quoted message said:

    any kind was three years ago.


    Ah, all becomes clear...he hasn't been caught for three years so must be a reformed character

    Quoted message said:

    Ghania had had to move to Norwich, away from family and friends after


    being

    Quoted message said:

    attacked, he said.


    ..and may now have to move from Norwich for similar reasons

    Quoted message said:

    As a result of that attack he still had to attend hospital physiotherapy sessions and orthopaedic
    clinics. He was receiving disability living


    allowance

    Quoted message said:

    and did not know when he would be fit to work again.

    So doesn't work and kills people whilst [censored] and driving, hardly seems like it's worth keeping
    this 'useful member of society' alive really, does it??

    Quoted message said:


    Mr Taunton said Ghania accepted he should not have driven and acknowledged


    that

    Quoted message said:

    he had a drink problem."


    Result!!

    Quoted message said:

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    Dave.

  3. On 11 Dec 2003 16:38:50 GMT, [email hidden]

    (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) said:

    tinyurl.comys26 or <en24.co.ukStory.asp
    EWS&ItemId=NOED11+Dec+2003+12%3A07%3A50%3A080>

    "Man walks free after sixth drink drive

    So what exactly is the point in making DUI an offence? Personally, I had my one year ban and £100
    fine, and didn't plonk myself behind a wheel for that period. More so, my insurance zoomed up when i
    was allowed to drive.

    ISTM that when the ban is so high, many just ignore it. This is when, ISTM, that prison sentences
    should be used.

    James

    --
    "Sorry mate, I didn't see you" is not a satisfactory excuse.

  4. Quoted message said:

    He was receiving disability living allowance and did not know when he would be fit to work again.

    So now you get paid if you can't work because you're permanently [censored]?

  5. On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:34:24 +0000, Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He was receiving disability living allowance and did not know when he would be fit to work again.

    So now you get paid if you can't work because you're permanently [censored]?

    Hi Zog

    I've been a recipient of the benefits of a company PHI policy for many years. Quite recently, I've
    been given the OK to return to work, which is nice.

    Admittedly, I've drunk more than my fair share of wine over the years but being the recipient of a
    benefit doesn't necessarily mean one is "permanently [censored]".

    Now, where's that bottle?

    James

    --
    "Sorry mate, I didn't see you" is not a satisfactory excuse.

  6. In "]news:[email hidden],
    James Hodson <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:
    (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) said:

    tinyurl.comys26 or


    <en24.co.ukStory.asp
    temId=NOED11+Dec+2003+12%3A07%3A50%3A080>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    "Man walks free after sixth drink drive

    So what exactly is the point in making DUI an offence? Personally, I had my one year ban and £100
    fine, and didn't plonk myself behind a wheel for that period. More so, my insurance zoomed up when
    i was allowed to drive.

    ISTM that when the ban is so high, many just ignore it. This is when, ISTM, that prison sentences
    should be used.


    It was 5 years since he was last caught drink driving, so it's likely he wasn't driving while
    banned. Whether he had committed either offence or not, that's not what he was in court for.

  7. "Zog The Undeniable" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He was receiving disability living allowance and did not know when he would be fit to work
    again.

    So now you get paid if you can't work because you're permanently [censored]?

    Well, you can't tell whether _he_ was permanently [censored] or not, and in fact the implication is he
    was disabled by having been attacked but yes, someone who is disabled through alcoholism may get DLA
    - which may get spent on more drink. It happens.

    Rich

  8. James Hodson said:

    Admittedly, I've drunk more than my fair share of wine over the years but being the recipient of a
    benefit doesn't necessarily mean one is "permanently [censored]".

    Are you getting Philosophical on us?

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Alison Hindley, whose grandfather Len Moakes was mown down by a hit-and-run driver after downing
    seven whiskies, said she was "disgusted" with yesterday's sentence for Ghanie.

    Unfortunate phrasing, that.

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