Scandium

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I'm looking at the $3K bike

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from Supergo Bike Shop (catalog)

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It has a scandium frame and carbon fork.

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What about Scandium?

From Environmentalchemistry.com: "Occurs mainly in the minerals thortveitile and wiikite. Also
in some tin and tungsten ores. Used in leak detectors, space industry materials and seed
germinating agents."

Allegedly makes aluminum stronger, therefore you can, allegedly, make a lighter frame with the same
strength as the heavier all-aluminum one.

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or about this particular bike?

You've never test ridden it, sized yourself on it, or seen it in person? Not a good first step. It's
a Scattante, right? Not a good second step. If you must spend 3,000: This bike is from the same
site, specced Dura-Ace/Ksyrium Elite, and you have a real framebuilder behind you for $400 less:

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Could it be worth $4k as they claim? Is carbon still better?

$4k? No. Carbon? Depends...

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Thanks Alan

Go to a bike shop. A good one. Talk to a real person that knows real bikes. If you want to spend
3Gs, you can do a lot better than that StupidGo ride. Independent Fabrications...

Someone will yell at me for discounting so many things...so here's what I am getting for Christmas;
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Someone will yell at me for discounting so many things...so here's what I am getting for
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Dear Chris,

Santa will appreciate that 0.00 pound shipping weight.

Carl Fogel

alan-<< I'm looking at the $3K bike from Supergo Bike Shop (catalog) It has a scandium frame and
carbon fork. What about Scandium? >><BR><BR>

ya mean 'scamdium'?

How about a Calfee Luna, with Centaur 10s for $3000.....

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I'm looking at the $3K bike from Supergo Bike Shop (catalog) It has a scandium frame and carbon
fork. What about Scandium? or about this particular bike? Could it be worth $4k as they claim? Is
carbon still better? Thanks Alan

Ahhh Scamdium, the last frame type I would ever ride. The fatigue life on a scamduim frame is (if
memory serves me) about 3 years. So if you want to ride it a lot and or race it look to replace your
frame in about 2 years. 4K is a lot of cash to drop on a bike that you are only going to ride for
2-4 years. Scamdium is also not a stiff as other materials such as Ti or Aluminum. You can get the
same bike for about the same price in Ti and it has the longest fatigue life of all frame types (it
is almost longer than your life span). I happen to ride aluminum due to the cost over Ti. but I do
happen to like the ride of Ti. I am in the bike biz and find that people who ride scamdium frames
are always looking for something new before everyone else. Why that is, I have no idea. Might be due
to the quality of the ride, but they all want something new. I sell them to people who really really
want them if I cant talk them out of getting it. My sugestion is to not get that bike and get
something from your LBS that fits you well and you will be happy with the ride.

Oh and no carbon is not better. It tends to weigh just a tad more than Aluminum and Ti. If you
are looking to save weight.

Just my humble opinion. All cyclists have them.

Later,

Spork

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Dear Chris,

Santa will appreciate that 0.00 pound shipping weight.

Carl Fogel

Well, tell Santa I'll be picking it up myself from the LBS; no need for him to wedge that frame in
his sleigh and risk scratching that glorious Surly paint (hah!). 'Cause, you know, a
cyclocross/commuter is going to stay so pristine...

Chris (just used a Bikeman link 'cause the Surly page was full of crossdressers...didn't want the OP
to get the idea I was having some sort of elective surgery for Xmas, if you follow)

alan said:

I'm looking at the $3K bike from Supergo Bike Shop (catalog) It has a scandium frame and carbon
fork. What about Scandium? or about this particular bike? Could it be worth $4k as they claim? Is
carbon still better?

"Scandium" frames are really just an aluminium alloy (with a little bit of Sc thrown in) that is
particularly suitable for welding and allows smaller diameter tubes.

Personally, having ridden steel, alu and Ti, I'd have steel for a road bike. A good frame will last
a lifetime and you don't have any difficulties getting it fixed, modified or repainted.

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Ahhh Scamdium, the last frame type I would ever ride. The fatigue life on

a

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scamduim frame is (if memory serves me) about 3 years. So if you want to ride it a lot and or race
it look to replace your frame in about 2 years. 4K is a lot of cash to drop on a bike that you are
only going to ride for 2-4 years. Scamdium is also not a stiff as other materials such as Ti or
Aluminum. You can get the same bike for about the same price in Ti and it has the longest fatigue
life of all frame types (it is almost longer than your life span). I happen to ride aluminum due
to the cost over Ti. but I do happen to like the ride of Ti. I am in the bike biz and find that

people

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who ride scamdium frames are always looking for something new before everyone else. Why that is, I
have no idea. Might be due to the quality

of

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the ride, but they all want something new.

In a few days I'll be riding a new Interloc Scandium road bike. I've read very little about
Scandium, but the builder suggested it.

Is it true I can only expect 3 years out of the frame? I told the builder I planned to ride this
bike for 3-5 years, 6000-8000 miles/yr.

Jurgen

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alan-<< I'm looking at the $3K bike from Supergo Bike Shop (catalog) It has a scandium frame and
carbon fork. What about Scandium? >><BR><BR>

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ya mean 'scamdium'? How about a Calfee Luna, with Centaur 10s for $3000.....

OK, I'll see your Calfee Luna and pitch in a Bianchi XL Carbon/Centaur 10 for $2500... No 'scum'
here, either.
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sporkster-<< I am in the bike biz >><BR><BR> << I sell them to people who really really want them if
I cant talk them out of getting it. >><BR><BR>

Why ask for an expensive warranty experience(stripping and rebuilding the frameset will not be paid
by the frame maker), if ya don't like them, don't sell them.

spork<< Oh and no carbon is not better. It tends to weigh just a tad more than Aluminum and Ti. If
you are looking to save weight. >><BR><BR>

Not a weight weenie but for Calfee, Lunas weigh less than any $1300 ti frameset, and about the same
or less as most aluminum that will last for a while.

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I'm looking at the $3K bike from Supergo Bike Shop (catalog) It has a scandium frame and carbon
fork. What about Scandium? or about this particular bike? Could it be worth $4k as they claim? Is
carbon still better? Thanks Alan

A review of a Peter Teschner Scandium based frame is at this link...

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