glueing on tubulars

a shy person said:

Are there any videos online showing how to glue on a tublar? I
found one on you tube and on a few other sites, but this guy was
using tape.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/tubular-repair.html

You'll need all of this if you want to ride tubulars.

Jobst Brandt

Quoted message said:

Hello,
Are there any videos online showing how to glue on a tublar?
I found one on you tube and on a few other sites, but this guy was
using tape.

Not video but this may help:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/frontwheel.html
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

thanks, already read them. I just want to see a video.
how many coats of glue?
I have read many different takes on this.
one coat on rim and tyre, let dry for 1 hr or 24 hr???
half inflate
2 more coats to the rim and then mount tyre after the second coat
while still wet.
fully inflate and roll tyre manually, then inspect, fix and
straigthen,
then let dry for 24 hrs before riding

Is that right?
Rim is new.

thanks, already read them. I just want to see a video.
how many coats of glue?
I have read many different takes on this.
one coat on rim and tyre, let dry for 1 hr or 24 hr???
half inflate
2 more coats to the rim and then mount tyre after the second coat
while still wet.
fully inflate and roll tyre manually, then inspect, fix and
straigthen,
then let dry for 24 hrs before riding

Is that right?
Rim is new.

a shy person said:

thanks, already read them. I just want to see a video. how many
coats of glue?

Quoted message said:

I have read many different takes on this. one coat on rim and tyre,
let dry for 1 hr or 24 hr??? half inflate 2 more coats to the rim
and then mount tyre after the second coat while still wet. fully
inflate and roll tyre manually, then inspect, fix and straighten,
then let dry for 24 hrs before riding

Quoted message said:

Is that right?
Rim is new.

No it is not right. It depends on what sort of rim glue you use.
Your description seems to lie half way between shellac (track glue)
and road glue. Most road glues have highly volatile solvents, like
lacquer paints and dry quickly enough to be ridden less than an hour
after applying glue.

In fact, if the tire has a rubberized strip, it needs no glue at all
but it should be mounted and inflated hard as soon as the glue on the
rim is stable enough to mount a tire.

This isn't an exercise for people who have never had any glue
expedience, or for that matter been around riders who use tubulars.
The way you state that, you plan on giving a speech in a foreign
country with the aid of a handbook translation manual. This stuff
needs to come naturally or you're in for big disappointements... if
you stray from the equipment parade route.

Jobst Brandt

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thanks, already read them. I just want to see a video.
how many coats of glue?
I have read many different takes on this.
one coat on rim and tyre, let dry for 1 hr or 24 hr???
half inflate
2 more coats to the rim and then mount tyre after the second coat
while still wet.
fully inflate and roll tyre manually, then inspect, fix and
straigthen,
then let dry for 24 hrs before riding

Is that right?
Rim is new.

The first, and by far the most important, step in mounting a tubular
tire is sacrificing a virgin hen at the stroke of midnight during a full
moon.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

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Quoted message said:

thanks, already read them. I just want to see a video.
how many coats of glue?
I have read many different takes on this.
one coat on rim and tyre, let dry for 1 hr or 24 hr???
half inflate
2 more coats to the rim and then mount tyre after the second coat
while still wet.
fully inflate and roll tyre manually, then inspect, fix and
straigthen,
then let dry for 24 hrs before riding

Is that right?
Rim is new.

There is no magic to it. Here's pictorial instructions from the park Tool
web site:

http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=101

Good luck and enjoy riding you sewups.

Chas.

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Quoted message said:

thanks, already read them. I just want to see a video.
how many coats of glue?
I have read many different takes on this.
one coat on rim and tyre, let dry for 1 hr or 24 hr???
half inflate
2 more coats to the rim and then mount tyre after the second coat
while still wet.
fully inflate and roll tyre manually, then inspect, fix and
straigthen,
then let dry for 24 hrs before riding

Quoted message said:

Is that right?
Rim is new.

There is no magic to it. Here's pictorial instructions from the park Tool
web site:

http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=101

A nice set of instructions and photos. But it fails to convey the mess
and misery that lies ahead for a "first timer".

Quoted message said:

Good luck and enjoy riding you sewups.

And, if you do enjoy using sewups, let me introduce you to my friend
the NYC dominatrix. She's expensive and difficult, but worth it! ;-)

Tom Sherman said:

The first, and by far the most important, step in mounting a tubular
tire is sacrificing a virgin hen at the stroke of midnight during a full
moon.

Well, I sacrificed a couple of virgins at midnight but it was really
more of just removing their virginity than a human sacrifice.

To the OP: Don't let the naysayers get you down. Tubies are fun.

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Quoted message said:

In fact, if the tire has a rubberized strip, it needs no glue at all
but it should be mounted and inflated hard as soon as the glue on the
rim is stable enough to mount a tire.
Jobst Brandt

I've haven't been riding tubulars for quite a while.
Rubberized strips?
-tom

still just me said:

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:34:18 -0600, Tom Sherman

Quoted message said:

The first, and by far the most important, step in mounting a tubular
tire is sacrificing a virgin hen at the stroke of midnight during a full
moon.

Well, I sacrificed a couple of virgins at midnight but it was really
more of just removing their virginity than a human sacrifice.

To the OP: Don't let the naysayers get you down. Tubies are fun.

Using tubies doesn't meet the legal definition of torture, but it's
close. Sorta like waterboarding.

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thanks, already read them. I just want to see a video.
how many coats of glue?
I have read many different takes on this.
one coat on rim and tyre, let dry for 1 hr or 24 hr???
half inflate
2 more coats to the rim and then mount tyre after the second coat
while still wet.
fully inflate and roll tyre manually, then inspect, fix and
straigthen,
then let dry for 24 hrs before riding
Is that right?
Rim is new.

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* * Chas said:

There is no magic to it. Here's pictorial instructions from the park Tool
web site:
http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=101

Ozark Bicycle said:

A nice set of instructions and photos. But it fails to convey the mess
and misery that lies ahead for a "first timer".

Why ever should mounting a tubular tire involve 'mess and misery'??
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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In fact, if the tire has a rubberized strip, it needs no glue at all
but it should be mounted and inflated hard as soon as the glue on the
rim is stable enough to mount a tire.

Tom Nakashima said:

I've haven't been riding tubulars for quite a while.
Rubberized strips?

Premium handmade tires were, at one time, latex coated all across the
base tape.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A Muzi said:

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<[email hidden]> wrote:
> thanks, already read them. I just want to see a video.
> how many coats of glue?
> I have read many different takes on this.
> one coat on rim and tyre, let dry for 1 hr or 24 hr???
> half inflate
> 2 more coats to the rim and then mount tyre after the second coat
> while still wet.
> fully inflate and roll tyre manually, then inspect, fix and
> straigthen,
> then let dry for 24 hrs before riding
> Is that right?
> Rim is new.

* * Chas said:

There is no magic to it. Here's pictorial instructions from the park Tool
web site:
http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=101

Ozark Bicycle said:

A nice set of instructions and photos. But it fails to convey the mess
and misery that lies ahead for a "first timer".

Why ever should mounting a tubular tire involve 'mess and misery'??
--

Not "should", but "does". When was the last time you talked to someone
who glued up a tubie for the first time? Stories of glue all over the
place and a lumpy tire seem to be standard.

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<[email hidden]> wrote:
> thanks, already read them. I just want to see a video.
> how many coats of glue?
> I have read many different takes on this.
> one coat on rim and tyre, let dry for 1 hr or 24 hr???
> half inflate
> 2 more coats to the rim and then mount tyre after the second coat
> while still wet.
> fully inflate and roll tyre manually, then inspect, fix and
> straigthen,
> then let dry for 24 hrs before riding
> Is that right?
> Rim is new.

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* * Chas said:

There is no magic to it. Here's pictorial instructions from the park

Tool

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web site:
http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=101

Ozark Bicycle said:

A nice set of instructions and photos. But it fails to convey the mess
and misery that lies ahead for a "first timer".

Why ever should mounting a tubular tire involve 'mess and misery'??
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Used to be able to change a front tire on the road in less than 2 minutes.
Rear tires took a little longer. Pastali was my favorite rim cement.
Stayed tacky for a long time.

Chas.

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> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> thanks, already read them. I just want to see a video.
>> how many coats of glue?
>> I have read many different takes on this.
>> one coat on rim and tyre, let dry for 1 hr or 24 hr???
>> half inflate
>> 2 more coats to the rim and then mount tyre after the second coat
>> while still wet.
>> fully inflate and roll tyre manually, then inspect, fix and
>> straigthen,
>> then let dry for 24 hrs before riding
>> Is that right?
>> Rim is new.

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"* * Chas" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> There is no magic to it. Here's pictorial instructions from the park

Tool

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> web site:
>http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=101

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Ozark Bicycle said:

A nice set of instructions and photos. But it fails to convey the mess
and misery that lies ahead for a "first timer".

Quoted message said:

Why ever should mounting a tubular tire involve 'mess and misery'??
--

Used to be able to change a front tire on the road in less than 2 minutes.
Rear tires took a little longer. Pastali was my favorite rim cement.
Stayed tacky for a long time.

I was referring to gluing up a new tire on a rim (as did the Park
instructions), not changing tires on the road. And, IME, changing out
a clincher tube is still faster than swapping tubies "in the field".

Ozark Bicycle said:

A Muzi said:

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> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> thanks, already read them. I just want to see a video.
>> how many coats of glue?
>> I have read many different takes on this.
>> one coat on rim and tyre, let dry for 1 hr or 24 hr???
>> half inflate
>> 2 more coats to the rim and then mount tyre after the second coat
>> while still wet.
>> fully inflate and roll tyre manually, then inspect, fix and
>> straigthen,
>> then let dry for 24 hrs before riding
>> Is that right?
>> Rim is new.
"* * Chas" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> There is no magic to it. Here's pictorial instructions from the park Tool
> web site:
>http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=101

Ozark Bicycle said:

A nice set of instructions and photos. But it fails to convey the mess
and misery that lies ahead for a "first timer".

Quoted message said:

Why ever should mounting a tubular tire involve 'mess and misery'??
--

Not "should", but "does". When was the last time you talked to someone
who glued up a tubie for the first time? Stories of glue all over the
place and a lumpy tire seem to be standard.- Hide quoted text -

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Gluing a tubular, new or used, onto a rim, brand new rim or previously
glued rim, does not have to involve any glue mess. It could if you
are incompetent in almost all of your lifelong endeavors. As Mr.
Brandt implies in a previous post, tubulars are not for the ignorant.
I always associate lumpy tubulars to the quality of the tire. But I
suppose an incompetent person could work at it long enough to make a
quality tubular lumpy.

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>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> thanks, already read them. I just want to see a video.
>>> how many coats of glue?
>>> I have read many different takes on this.
>>> one coat on rim and tyre, let dry for 1 hr or 24 hr???
>>> half inflate
>>> 2 more coats to the rim and then mount tyre after the second coat
>>> while still wet.
>>> fully inflate and roll tyre manually, then inspect, fix and
>>> straigthen,
>>> then let dry for 24 hrs before riding
>>> Is that right?
>>> Rim is new.

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> "* * Chas" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> There is no magic to it. Here's pictorial instructions from the park Tool
>> web site:
>> http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=101

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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> A nice set of instructions and photos. But it fails to convey the mess
> and misery that lies ahead for a "first timer".

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A Muzi said:

Why ever should mounting a tubular tire involve 'mess and misery'??

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Ozark Bicycle said:

Not "should", but "does". When was the last time you talked to someone
who glued up a tubie for the first time? Stories of glue all over the
place and a lumpy tire seem to be standard.- Hide quoted text -

Quoted message said:

Gluing a tubular, new or used, onto a rim, brand new rim or previously
glued rim, does not have to involve any glue mess. It could if you
are incompetent in almost all of your lifelong endeavors. As Mr.
Brandt implies in a previous post, tubulars are not for the ignorant.
I always associate lumpy tubulars to the quality of the tire. But I
suppose an incompetent person could work at it long enough to make a
quality tubular lumpy.

That's easy.
Start with excessive amounts of wet freshly applied cement. Leave the
valve section loose, struggle mightily with the last bit opposite the
valve. Leave screwdriver pry marks on the base tape. The valve area will
lift and bunch up in front of the valve if you ride immediately. Call
tubular vendor and whine about 'tire quality'.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Tom Nakashima said:

Quoted message said:

In fact, if the tire has a rubberized strip, it needs no glue at
all but it should be mounted and inflated hard as soon as the glue
on the rim is stable enough to mount a tire.

Quoted message said:

I've haven't been riding tubulars for quite a while. Rubberized
strips?

Road tires have their base tape coated with latex the same as the
sidewalls. Track tires do not and because some tubulars are intended
for both uses, the have a bare cloth basetape.

Just forget about tubulars, they have no purpose for the riding RBT
readers do. If they were world champs, they wouldn't ask for advice
here.

Jobst Brandt