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  1. After a load of swithering I decided that today would be my first cyclocross
    race. I've been helping setup a youth cycle club and watching (and
    occasionally trying) the exercises made me wonder about trying cyclocross.
    My first attempt at going off-road was a bit of a shocker, I was amazed at
    what passed for a cycle trail in the eyes of the MTBers (I'm a cycle
    commuter/ non-competitive road-rider) but surprised too at what my budget
    tourer could do despite the mudguards and semi-slicks.
    After picking myself up a few times, muddy, sore and wondering where the
    others were (it was a night ride too!) I put the cyclocross idea on hold for
    a bit.
    However time heals and partly due to reading a great first CX report here I
    decide just to do it. I convinced myself that putting cyclocross tyres on my
    Dawes Horizon would give me enough grip to control the bike. Once I got the
    tyres (Conti Speed Kings £14.95 Ed-Bike Co-op) I was kind off committed.
    Today was the last chance for me to try a cross this season.

    I turned up at the venue this morning early enough to get a few laps in
    before the youths' race started. The first "obstacle" was a set of steps
    (which went diagonally down a slope) made from vertical wooden planks
    holding the earth in a steppy way. There was a 8" smooth track at one side,
    further over a steepish drop off, about half way down this track disappears
    and have to go onto the steps themselves then there was a short flat bit
    before you had a 90 degree left onto a bridge. Are we expected to cycle
    this? I thought. Apparantly yes! I ran(1) down the steps on the first
    practice before I realised that I would have to ride it eventually so'd
    better try in practice. Back to the start then an attempt at these steps
    again, I managed down a bit inelegantly. Starting on the narrow side track,
    too slow and I'd wobble, too fast and I'd be in dire straits when I hit the
    treads, also too heavy on the brakes and I would slide sideways off the
    track. I did a couple of practices and survived but I didn't feel in anyway
    in control. I should point out that others didn't seem phased by these
    steps. I enjoyed the weaving round trees, the tyres gave me confidence here
    and I got a better idea of keeping my weight back for gaining traction.
    There was very little mud on the course which was a pleasant surprise given
    the recent weather.
    Before the open event I watched the youths race on the same course, many of
    them made the obstacles look easy, the local club riders looked especially
    strong.

    Off to the start, 'made sure I was right at the back in the wide line up (38
    riders I believe), then off. The charge to the first corner was fun, with
    the front riders powering ahead, the field started to lengthen and after a
    couple of zigzags downhill there was an incline to the top of those steps.
    Down the steps carefully with a load of riders in front but had to stop at
    the bridge bottle neck. Over the bridge and sharp left up a steep rooty
    path, apparantly this is rideable but I never managed it even on 28-32 (yes
    28 on the front) due to traction issues. However I was finding that I could
    keep with the other back markers and maybe even gain or pass especially on
    tarmac. However I would loose bags of time whenever I fluffed a remount
    (which I did often) or had to stop because I had a poor line into an
    obstacle. I had another one of those "do we go down there?" moments on a
    part of the course that I had somehow missed in my practice. A small set of
    concrete stairs, at the side a concrete slope with rocks in to make it look
    nice. Luckly there was a marshall there who assured me that _was_ the route
    and that I should just go straight down the rocks no-brakes, just as well
    otherwise I might have bottled it.

    I think there were 3 of us competing for the Lanterne Rouge in lap 1 but I
    felt I was techically the weakest. I happily stayed at the back as we
    finished lap 1 (I was quite chuffed at surviving a lap).

    Into lap 2, all the same obstacles but with a bit of tiedness too. I felt I
    was getting happier letting the bike cruise round the curves, no constant
    covering the brakes. Then up the incline to the top of the steps.
    I'm not sure what happened, I think I probably didn't control my speed
    enough on the side track, which meant that when I had to go over the treads
    themselves the bike was bouncing all over the place. At this point I
    probably should have gone sans-brakes and just ridden it out but I tried in
    vain to control the bike with gentle (as I thought) braking. Next thing I
    knew I had crashed out, bashed my right side and lay winded for a bit, I
    didn't feel like getting up for a good while and decided that for me the
    race was over. I would have liked to have finished and sort of regretted
    pulling out as I watched the real finishers. Much respect to anyone who
    completes a cyclocross at their first attempt, also to the youths who did
    the same course and AFAIK none had a problem with my Nemesis steps . I'll
    try again next year but I need to do some off-road practice especially those
    descents.
    The Dawes Horizon seemed okay, longer and heavier than a cross bike and
    awkward to carry, like a mountain bike. However it doesn't have MTB
    benefits, like suspension, disk brakes etc. I think that overall I probably
    didn't benefit much from clipless pedals either as it just added to the time
    I lost whenever I stopped and restarted, flat pedals may have been better
    for me at my level. I guess the more competant riders would need to unclip a
    lot less than I did.
    Crashing out of the race got me back quicker to my other reason for being
    there which was videoing.
    I went back to those steps with the camera, partly to get evidence of the
    beast that had dumped me out. It was amazing to see how trivial this
    obstacle looked when it's not being viewed over a pair of white knuckles. I
    videoed a few riders coming down, some came pelting down, only braking in
    the last second on the flat before the bridge, others took it more
    cautiously. Neither the suspension equipped MTBers nor the crossers seemed
    troubled by it at all.
    I watched the finish from the other side of the tape, it was won by an
    Aussie (Olympian) who sealed his win with a magnificent crowd-pleasing
    wheelie over the finish line. Second placed was riding an MTB so I'm not
    sure which type of bike had the upper hand.

    After the open event it was the primary kids and although their course was
    shorter and easier I reckon a fair number would've probably kicked my butt
    on the main course given a chance. 'Good to see a big turnout in the
    children and youth event.

    Cheers
    Jim J

    (1) or as near a run as I could manage with a bike built for carrying rather
    than being carried.

  2. Jim said:

    After a load of swithering I decided that today would be my first
    cyclocross race.

    Nice report, thanks. 😉

    When you're going down steps, especially man-made ones which are often
    sharp (ish) edged and steep, the best plan is to attack them. No
    brakes, BIG NO NO for brakes, weight off the back of the saddle and
    stretching arms out so little weight as possible is over the front
    wheel, which should just skip over the edges. Keep knees bent and
    allow your legs to be the suspension so the rear wheel can move about
    pretty freely. Line is also pretty important, as square to the edges
    as possible is best, if you go diagonally you're likely to end up a
    cropper. Don't brake ..

    Don't try to pedal either until you're off the steps and can power
    away. Don't brake ..

    Don't grip the bars too much either, it's likely the front wheel will
    want to move a little and it's better not to fight it, just 'go with
    the flow' ... which is hard to do if you're not 'flowing' too ... 😉

    Oh, don't brake .. 😉

    Have fun .... 😉

    --
    Paul - [censored]

    '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch'
    '98 Suzuki DR 200 Djebel 'Small but perfectly formed'
    Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp "When I feel fit enough'

  3. in message <[email hidden]>, Jim ([email hidden]'😉

    Quoted message said:

    After a load of swithering I decided that today would be my first
    cyclocross race. I've been helping setup a youth cycle club and watching
    (and occasionally trying) the exercises made me wonder about trying
    cyclocross. My first attempt at going off-road was a bit of a shocker, I
    was amazed at what passed for a cycle trail in the eyes of the MTBers
    (I'm a cycle commuter/ non-competitive road-rider) but surprised too at
    what my budget tourer could do despite the mudguards and semi-slicks.
    After picking myself up a few times, muddy, sore and wondering where the
    others were (it was a night ride too!) I put the cyclocross idea on hold
    for a bit.

    Excellent report, congratulations...

    Quoted message said:

    However I would loose bags of time whenever
    I fluffed a remount (which I did often) or had to stop because I had a
    poor line into an obstacle.

    Like you I lost more time on remounts than I could afford. I think the
    lesson for anyone who intends to actually /compete/ (rather than
    just /ride/) in a CX event is practice and practice and practice the
    dismount-run-remount manoeuvre.

    Quoted message said:

    Into lap 2, all the same obstacles but with a bit of tiedness too. I felt
    I was getting happier letting the bike cruise round the curves, no
    constant covering the brakes. Then up the incline to the top of the
    steps. I'm not sure what happened, I think I probably didn't control my
    speed enough on the side track, which meant that when I had to go over
    the treads themselves the bike was bouncing all over the place. At this
    point I probably should have gone sans-brakes and just ridden it out but
    I tried in vain to control the bike with gentle (as I thought) braking.

    Your stairs were your equivalent of the dreadful mudshoot through the gate
    on our course: very steep, very uneven, and lots of nasty things to hit if
    you fall off. There are fundamentally two ways of coping with this

    (i) get off and run it - in which case you will lose bags of time
    (ii) keep entirely off the brakes, keep your weight out of the saddle and
    rather back on the bike, and do not grip the bars.

    The thing is that even if your braking is gentle and steady, the traction
    of the surface over which you're riding isn't. Add to that with rim brakes
    on filthy rims your braking won't be steady in the first place. And
    finally a slope which means any sudden arrest is going to pitch you over
    the bars... If you're going to ride these things on a no-suspension bike,
    don't brake.

    Note of course that this is NOT the voice of expertise speaking - I'm just
    as (in)experienced as you. I was exceedingly glad each time I came down
    that section to find myself somehow still in the saddle at the bottom!

    But congratulations for having a go - I hope you enjoyed it as much as I
    did mine!

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    For office use only. Please do not write or type below this line.

  4. "Paul - [censored]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Don't grip the bars too much either, it's likely the front wheel will
    want to move a little and it's better not to fight it, just 'go with
    the flow' ... which is hard to do if you're not 'flowing' too ... 😉

    Parts of me _were_ flowing, almost !
    So that's a negatory on the brakes then?
    I also realise now that my weight was in the wrong place, I should have had
    it more towards a comfy chair back with the spectators ;-)
    Seriously I'll definitely have another go but not this year.

    Thanks Paul for the help/supporting comments, I half expected a kicking on
    urc for being a woose.

    Jim J

  5. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Your stairs were your equivalent of the dreadful mudshoot through the gate
    on our course: very steep, very uneven, and lots of nasty things to hit if
    you fall off. There are fundamentally two ways of coping with this


    Simon I re-read your report the night before to help give me a bit of
    confidence, and I remember thinking "at least there's no mudshoot or flooded
    fields" the stairs to be fair didn't look bad (on the video) and certainly
    nothing like your description of the shoot.

    Quoted message said:

    If you're going to ride these things on a no-suspension bike,
    don't brake.


    I suppose the next thing to consider is how best to switch off the automatic
    reaction to brake when approaching panic mode.

    Quoted message said:

    But congratulations for having a go - I hope you enjoyed it as much as I
    did mine!


    Yep there were definitely parts where I had a smile on my face, usually
    after some awkward bit that I had just managed or during the nice curves
    through trees.
    Cheers
    Jim J

  6. Jim said:

    "Paul - [censored]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Don't grip the bars too much either, it's likely the front wheel
    will want to move a little and it's better not to fight it, just
    'go with the flow' ... which is hard to do if you're not 'flowing'
    too ... 😉

    Parts of me were flowing, almost !
    So that's a negatory on the brakes then?
    I also realise now that my weight was in the wrong place, I should
    have had it more towards a comfy chair back with the spectators ;-)
    Seriously I'll definitely have another go but not this year.

    Thanks Paul for the help/supporting comments, I half expected a
    kicking on urc for being a woose.

    Heheh, I don't know anyone with the balls to to take on someone with
    the balls to a) compete in his first cyclo-cross and b) Report on it,
    warts and all.

    Big respect. 😉

    --
    Paul - [censored]

    '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch'
    '98 Suzuki DR 200 Djebel 'Small but perfectly formed'
    Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp "When I feel fit enough'

  7. Much respect Jim.. Those steps are challenging.

    I should point out that most of the local riders have practiced the
    course for weeks ;-)
    I'm an overweight poor excuse for an MTB rider and I struggle on the
    uphill, the steps are nervewracking as they are uneven in both height
    and width, and follow a gentle curve, and uneven gradient. I have
    managed to ride up the singletrack a few times but recently just lose
    traction before the rock about 2/3 way up.

    You must have seen me there - I arrived just before the finish and got
    some pics in the finish area during the last couple of laps.

    my pics are at http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmam/sets/72157603300545275/
    for the senior race and http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmam/sets/72157603306602811/

    (Yes it was my wee lad who came off on the first lap and retired)

    It was a great event. All credit to Martin the organiser. For those
    who despair about the youth getting into cycling, there were 44 youth
    and sprogs racing.
    And a good proportion of them were girls too.

    ...d

  8. Oh yes, I've not had the bottle to ride down by the concrete steps
    yet.. just never quite felt the need..

    ...d

  9. "David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    You must have seen me there - I arrived just before the finish and got
    some pics in the finish area during the last couple of laps.


    Yes, I was the guy standing behind you at the finish, I was doing my best
    not to look like a "DNF" and had my trackies and coat on by then.
    You showed me the wheelie picture on your camera.
    I'll email you a link to some photos one of our Dad's took of the youths
    event which you missed.

    Quoted message said:


    my pics are at
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmam/sets/72157603300545275/
    for the senior race and
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmam/sets/72157603306602811/


    Good piccies, much appreciated.

    Quoted message said:


    (Yes it was my wee lad who came off on the first lap and retired)


    Yes I saw him and thought "know how you feel mate!"
    Cheers
    Jim Jackson

  10. Jim said:

    "David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...> You must have seen me there - I arrived just before the finish and got

    Quoted message said:

    some pics in the finish area during the last couple of laps.

    Yes, I was the guy standing behind you at the finish, I was doing my best
    not to look like a "DNF" and had my trackies and coat on by then.
    You showed me the wheelie picture on your camera.

    I remember you now.You did a really good job of not looking like a
    racer by then ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    I'll email you a link to some photos one of our Dad's took of the youths
    event which you missed.

    That would be much appreciated. We (Discovery) had a record turn out
    with 18 riders taking part.Very pleased with the event.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    my pics are at
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmam/sets/72157603300545275/
    for the senior race and
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmam/sets/72157603306602811/

    Good piccies, much appreciated.

    Quoted message said:

    (Yes it was my wee lad who came off on the first lap and retired)

    Yes I saw him and thought "know how you feel mate!"

    He had cheered up by the time he got home and warmed up. All my kids
    were dead chuffed with their medals. They'll definitely do another
    one.

    ...d

    Quoted message said:

    Cheers
    Jim Jackson

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