Waterproof shoes

Clive George said:

Friend is after some waterproof shoes/boots. He knows the shimano W101s,
and the way they're not actually waterproof (they just keep your feet
warm when they're wet :-) ), so would like to know if there's anything
better.

So, any recommendations? Also any recommendations of cheap ones?

IMHO Water proof shoes are only as good as the rest of your cycling gear.
If you wear them without any sort of water proof trousers over the top,
then the water will run in through the big whole in the top, even those
(like mine) that have a draw string at the top.
I only wear mine if I am going to be wearing my water proof trousers, or
if it is very cold and dry, as the non-water proof pair dry out a lot
faster.

Martin.

Clive George said:

(I suggested wellies - and a spd conversion would be amusing :-) )

Nokian Trimmis, though they're not SPuD-u-like.

http://www.peglers.co.uk/6_Nokian-Trimmi.htm and quite widely used by
outdoorsy types, especially in their native Scandanavia.

For cycling specific ones, a lot of the problem is that no shoe is
immune to water entering via the big hole in the top your foot goes
through, so practically anything will mean wet feet after a bit if you
don't have a waterproof overtrouser finishing below the entrance to the
shoe. You'll probably best achieve that with an overshoe/overtrouser
combination.

Waterproof socks suffer similarly through water running down the legs or
wicking down longs. IME overshoes tend to be better for keeping you
warm if not actually dry (but warm is more important).

Pete.
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Peter Clinch said:

For cycling specific ones, a lot of the problem is that no shoe is
immune to water entering via the big hole in the top your foot goes
through, so practically anything will mean wet feet after a bit if you
don't have a waterproof overtrouser finishing below the entrance to the
shoe. You'll probably best achieve that with an overshoe/overtrouser
combination.

True. But they can be good at keeping feet dry when it isn't actually
raining but there's a lot of splashy puddles.

Quoted message said:

Friend is after some waterproof shoes/boots. He knows the shimano W101s, and
the way they're not actually waterproof (they just keep your feet warm when
they're wet :-) ), so would like to know if there's anything better.

So, any recommendations? Also any recommendations of cheap ones?

I was hoping that gore-tex hiking boots with a soft shell water-proof
rain pant would do the trick, but I still had two little lakes in the
bottom of my boots after Mondays torrential downpour. They were let
down by the rain-pants, as anything soft shell isn't really w/proof.

My one last effort will be to try some Yeti gaiters over the boots and
under the rain-pants. If that doesn't work I'll give up and live with
wet feet.

Fingers crossed!

Duncan

Quoted message said:

Friend is after some waterproof shoes/boots. He knows the shimano W101s, and
the way they're not actually waterproof (they just keep your feet warm when
they're wet :-) ), so would like to know if there's anything better.

So, any recommendations? Also any recommendations of cheap ones?

I was hoping that gore-tex hiking boots with a soft shell water-proof
rain pant would do the trick, but I still had two little lakes in the
bottom of my boots after Mondays torrential downpour. They were let
down by the rain-pants, as anything soft shell isn't really w/proof.

My one last effort will be to try some Yeti gaiters over the boots and
under the rain-pants. If that doesn't work I'll give up and live with
wet feet.

Fingers crossed!

Duncan

Clive George said:

Friend is after some waterproof shoes/boots. He knows the shimano
W101s, and the way they're not actually waterproof (they just keep
your feet warm when they're wet :-) ), so would like to know if
there's anything better.
So, any recommendations? Also any recommendations of cheap ones?

(I suggested wellies - and a spd conversion would be amusing :-) )

I use neoprene overshoes (sold for cycling). Velcro rear closure. Long
enough to come up my ankles a bit. Cost less than £20. They can get a bit
sweaty inside, but are generally warm and keep the water out from above.

When raining, I wear waterproof over trousers which are long enough to
overlap the over-shoes. I have a velcro reflective strap to hold the trouser
ankle in place.

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Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

Clive George said:

Friend is after some waterproof shoes/boots. He knows the shimano W101s, and
the way they're not actually waterproof (they just keep your feet warm when
they're wet :-) ), so would like to know if there's anything better.

So, any recommendations? Also any recommendations of cheap ones?

(I suggested wellies - and a spd conversion would be amusing :-) )

My wish would be for latex overshoes, similar to latex gloves - use
once and discard. This is obviously for when cycling in ordinary
shoes, not cycling shoes and only for short distances.

This would be perfect for my 3 mile commute in London on the Brompton.

100 shoes for 10GBP would be the sort of price point I'd like but I'd
be prepared to pay three times that.

These might do the trick but I'm not certain:
http://www.cleanroomsuppliesltd.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=65&catid=56

They need to be fully waterproof from the top and extend up the leg a
short way so that water running down overtrousers doesn't get in the
shoe

Tim.

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Quoted message said:

(I suggested wellies - and a spd conversion would be amusing :-) )

It has been done with the help of a router.

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Tony Raven said:

In article <[email hidden]>, clive@xxxx-
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Quoted message said:

(I suggested wellies - and a spd conversion would be amusing :-) )

It has been done with the help of a router.

Wireless I assume :-)

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Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

Clive George said:

Friend is after some waterproof shoes/boots. He knows the shimano W101s, and
the way they're not actually waterproof (they just keep your feet warm when
they're wet :-) ), so would like to know if there's anything better.

Yep.

I have some long completely waterproof gaiters. Cover the shoe, leave
three-quarters of the sole exposed so work with SPD, come up to just
below the knee. They are the only thing that's ever kept my feet dry,
though they do let water in the sole if you actually submerge your
foot (in a flood or ford, for example).

Agu make them - I got some from a bike shop about 12 years ago, and
from an ebay seller about a year ago. Can't find them on ebay now,
but if you do find them they are excellent. Since they come up to the
knee, they also deal with front-wheel-spray.

regards, Ian SMith
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Clive George said:

Friend is after some waterproof shoes/boots. He knows the shimano
W101s, and the way they're not actually waterproof (they just keep
your feet warm when they're wet :-) ),

Shimano RW02 and MW02 are waterproof. There is a problem with the neoprene
cuff soaking up water - but solve that by covering with pieces of rubber cut
from rubber gloves!

~PB

Peter Clinch said:

For cycling specific ones, a lot of the problem is that no shoe is
immune to water entering via the big hole in the top your foot goes
through, so practically anything will mean wet feet after a bit if you
don't have a waterproof overtrouser finishing below the entrance to the
shoe. You'll probably best achieve that with an overshoe/overtrouser
combination.

I've got some of these

http://www.endura.co.uk/Product.aspx?dept_id=131&prod_id=171

which send most of the water down the outside of my neoprene overshoes.

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Quoted message said:

Friend is after some waterproof shoes/boots. He knows the shimano W101s, and
the way they're not actually waterproof (they just keep your feet warm when
they're wet :-) ), so would like to know if there's anything better.

Why not forget about keeping the shoes dry and just wear Goretex socks?

Rob Morley said:

Why not forget about keeping the shoes dry and just wear Goretex socks?

Because they suffer from water wicking down into them from above just as
boots do, unless you have a waterproof overtrouser that comes down part
the top (or ride a Sensible Bike (TM) ;-))

And while they keep your feet dry, that doesn't necessarily equate to
warm. If the shoe is soaked through and moderately snug (as cycling
shoes tend to be) then one's feet can get on the low side of a bit parky :-(

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Ian Smith said:

Clive George said:

Friend is after some waterproof shoes/boots. He knows the shimano W101s, and
the way they're not actually waterproof (they just keep your feet warm when
they're wet :-) ), so would like to know if there's anything better.

Yep.

I have some long completely waterproof gaiters. Cover the shoe, leave
three-quarters of the sole exposed so work with SPD, come up to just
below the knee. They are the only thing that's ever kept my feet dry,
though they do let water in the sole if you actually submerge your
foot (in a flood or ford, for example).

Agu make them - I got some from a bike shop about 12 years ago, and
from an ebay seller about a year ago. Can't find them on ebay now,
but if you do find them they are excellent. Since they come up to the
knee, they also deal with front-wheel-spray.

These are the things http://www.agu.com/en/?pag=18&prod=102#

Madison are the AGU imprters for the UK and they have them on their
Ultimate Pursuits website: http://tinyurl.com/36all8 which points to
http://www.ultimatepursuits.co.uk/products/details.aspx?pRef=45902&vertical=1&v=VARCLA400144
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Phil Cook said:

Ian Smith said:

I have some long completely waterproof gaiters. Cover the shoe, leave
three-quarters of the sole exposed so work with SPD, come up to just
below the knee. They are the only thing that's ever kept my feet dry,
though they do let water in the sole if you actually submerge your
foot (in a flood or ford, for example).

Agu make them - I got some from a bike shop about 12 years ago, and
from an ebay seller about a year ago. Can't find them on ebay now,
but if you do find them they are excellent. Since they come up to the
knee, they also deal with front-wheel-spray.

These are the things http://www.agu.com/en/?pag=18&prod=102#

Madison are the AGU imprters for the UK and they have them on their
Ultimate Pursuits website: http://tinyurl.com/36all8 which points to
http://www.ultimatepursuits.co.uk/products/details.aspx?pRef=45902&vertical=1&v=VARCLA400144

That is them, yes indeed. Most recommended. The first set I had
worked with SPD (well, ATAC actually, but presumably SPD) as they
were. The latest pair, I've remembered that I modified the bit that
goes under the sole, moving it forward somewhat so it covers less of
the sole and clears the cleat more easily.

Mostly, if it's very wet, I wear those and a waterproof top, and just
let my thighs get wet - my thighs don't feel the cold as much as my
feet.

regards, Ian SMith
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I got some Clarks Gore-Tex lined boots that work well for me with
Altura waterproof overtrousers. They are *just* high enough that not
much water gets in the top; i'd like to find some similar but a but
higher. Gaiters might help, too.

Mine are a bit like these, but were £55 when i got them:
http://www.shoesbypost.co.uk/Clarks/Clarks-Mens/Clarks-Rathen--Hi-GTX/Clarks-Rathen-Hi-GTX-Brown-Leather/p-381-382-526-1323/

rob.

Clive George said:

Friend is after some waterproof shoes/boots. He knows the shimano W101s, and
the way they're not actually waterproof (they just keep your feet warm when
they're wet :-) ), so would like to know if there's anything better.

So, any recommendations? Also any recommendations of cheap ones?

(I suggested wellies - and a spd conversion would be amusing :-) )

cheers,
clive

in message <[email hidden]>, Clive George

(') said:

Friend is after some waterproof shoes/boots. He knows the shimano W101s,
and the way they're not actually waterproof (they just keep your feet
warm when they're wet :-) ), so would like to know if there's anything
better.

So, any recommendations? Also any recommendations of cheap ones?

I use Sidi Invernos, which aren't cheap. They aren't completely waterproof,
but they are in fact too waterproof. Let me explain:

It's pretty hard to prevent water getting into cycling shoes. If nothing
else it will trickle down your leg and get in the top. In addition, in
cycling shoes - particularly in winter cycling shoes - your feet are
inclined to get hot, and to sweat.

The Invernos are made of a synthetic leather-like material called 'lorica';
the basic material is pretty much waterproof - may breathe a little but
not so you'd notice. They have a bit of mesh material in the upper for
limited breathability, but not enough. They're lined with a synthetic
fleece material. They tend to hold onto a little bit of dampness, and even
placed in the airing cupboard overnight they don't completely dry out. If
you're commuting in them daily (as I am), this gets a little unpleasant.

Having said that overall I'm very pleased with my Invernos - they're warm
and comfortable to wear (although not as comfortable as the real leather
boots Sidi used to make). I just don't think that the cycling shoe you can
wear for a commute in heavy winter rain, and then wear again the next day
and the day after, exists.

Myself I think the only solution is either better ventilated winter cycling
shoes, or several pairs or winter cycling shoes. If it tips down with icy
rain, you're just going to get wet feet.

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Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

So, any recommendations? Also any recommendations of cheap ones?

I use Sidi Invernos,

I'd be interested in giving those a try, as I've always been very
happy with my normal Sidi shoes, but they no longer appear to be
available in France & Germany, and the Sidi site only lists the
"Diablo Gore"

<http://www.sidi.it/eng/cycling/art_d.asp?ATp_ID=C02&Art_ID=MCMTBDIABLO>

Do you know if this is essentially just a (more expensive) variant of
the Inverno, or does the spec appear to be substantially different?

Quoted message said:

which aren't cheap.

Neither are the Diablos - Rose lists them at EU219,95.