Shoe recommendation needed

Sericinus hunter <[email hidden]> wrote in news:%bs0j.242$AT7.204
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Greetings, I am a new member, please be patient.
I need a pair of cold/snow/wet/trail running shoes. Any suggestions?
I am a neutral gaiter, slightly wide foot. Kind of happy with
NB 873 2E, but want something less, um... water penetratable.
I have just checked a hiking section in my local Sports Authority
and narrowed their selection to Nike Bandolier II, Hi-Tec Tundra WR
and Salomon Exclamation. Anybody cares to share personal experience?
Any advice is appreciated.

NIKES SUCK! I just spent a good amount on a SUPPOSEDLY good pair of Nike
trail shoes, and literally within weeks they lost about 80% of the
cushioning, and you can see them bulging where the foam is exposed. Pure
waste of money. Don't waste your money. Buy adidas, asics, or buy a NB
trail shoe if those have kept you happy.

Unrelated question. Is this a group with well known trolls/clowns

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I should filter out?

Yes, me.
Good luck.

Sericinus hunter said:

Greetings, I am a new member, please be patient.
I need a pair of cold/snow/wet/trail running shoes. Any suggestions?
I am a neutral gaiter, slightly wide foot. Kind of happy with
NB 873 2E, but want something less, um... water penetratable.

Welcome to the group. You might want to give a better idea of where you
are - like will you be running in snow for 6 months or just a few
patches here and there? Roads where you're likely to be *on* snow vs
trails where you're likely to be *in* snow? Temperatures near 0F (dry
snow, usually, unless near overflow) or mostly near freezing (wet snow,
yucky slush)?

I'm not familiar with the neutral models (since I generally need
stability), other than Brooks Cascadia, which does have some pivot
support in there, which may or may not be a problem for you. My feet are
hard enough to fit size-wise and biomechanically, that I find shoes that
work for me in general, then deal with keeping the feet relatively warm
and dry, with the emphasis on "relatively".

But I can offer some opinions on what types of things to look for. If
you're going to be in water much, get drainable shoes. Less water
penetrable means that the wet grass and wet snow may not get your feet
wet as easily, but when you get into slush over your shoe tops, the
water stays in your shoe. Chances are the fabric also absorbs the water
and will stay wetter than the highly drainable shoes. And if you're in
warm, wet snow for 1.5 hr or more, your shoes will get wet if only
weather resistant. I might also add that gore-tex liners sometimes leak
after much wear (at least they did in my hiking boots). My feet are
cold- blooded enough that I can't imagine a normal running shoe causing
my feet to sweat (some waterproof overshoes do), but others do have
problem with sweaty feet.

I wear Smartwool socks year round - lighter weight in summer, heavier in
winter. Under some conditions I may use neoprene socks or sealskinz.
(Some people use plastic bags, windstorm socks, gore-tex socks, etc.) We
can get strong winds that cut through shoes and socks. While playing, I
mean running, in wet snow for hours, the moisture generally penetrates
most shoes and socks.

How to deal with hours of wet snow is always a challenge, and everyone
has their own solution. Shorter runs are easier to deal with.

If traction is an issue, there's lots of devices to use, although I'm
partial to screw shoes for hard-packed snow.
http://home.att.net/~akrunning/TractionDev/index.html
http://www.skyrunner.com/screwshoe.htm

FWIW, I use Brooks Trespass for summer because of its drainability, and
Brooks Adrenaline ASR 3 (ASR4 is similar) for winter since it's a little
warmer, has a flat tread for screws, and doesn't work that great for
summer rain and stream crossings. But they're both stability shoes with
torsion control.

Hope that gives you some ideas.

Quoted message said:

I have just checked a hiking section in my local Sports Authority
and narrowed their selection to Nike Bandolier II, Hi-Tec Tundra WR
and Salomon Exclamation. Anybody cares to share personal experience?
Any advice is appreciated.

I suppose they're fine for hiking, but I assumed you were asking about
running shoes. If you're looking for something waterproof for hiking,
NEOS overshoes work well over running shoes, and they come in a number
of weights with / without screws. Some may use mukluks (Steger?). Again,
it depends on what you'll be using the shoe for.

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Unrelated question. Is this a group with well known trolls/clowns
I should filter out?

yes

Dot

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Sericinus hunter <[email hidden]> wrote in news:%bs0j.242$AT7.204
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Quoted message said:

Greetings, I am a new member, please be patient.
I need a pair of cold/snow/wet/trail running shoes. Any suggestions?
I am a neutral gaiter, slightly wide foot. Kind of happy with
NB 873 2E, but want something less, um... water penetratable.
I have just checked a hiking section in my local Sports Authority
and narrowed their selection to Nike Bandolier II, Hi-Tec Tundra WR
and Salomon Exclamation. Anybody cares to share personal experience?
Any advice is appreciated.

NIKES SUCK! I just spent a good amount on a SUPPOSEDLY good pair of Nike
trail shoes, and literally within weeks they lost about 80% of the
cushioning, and you can see them bulging where the foam is exposed. Pure
waste of money. Don't waste your money. Buy adidas, asics, or buy a NB
trail shoe if those have kept you happy.

Unrelated question. Is this a group with well known trolls/clowns

Quoted message said:

I should filter out?

Yes, me.
Good luck.

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Dot said:

Sericinus hunter said:

Greetings, I am a new member, please be patient.
I need a pair of cold/snow/wet/trail running shoes. Any suggestions?
I am a neutral gaiter, slightly wide foot. Kind of happy with
NB 873 2E, but want something less, um... water penetratable.

Welcome to the group.

Thank you.

[...bunch of very useful info...]

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Hope that gives you some ideas.

Yes, thank you again. I am not about extremes at all. I just want to
be OK with occasional stepping in to a water pool during two hour or so
run. Good points though, I'll keet it in mind.

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Quoted message said:

I have just checked a hiking section in my local Sports Authority
and narrowed their selection to Nike Bandolier II, Hi-Tec Tundra WR
and Salomon Exclamation. Anybody cares to share personal experience?
Any advice is appreciated.

I suppose they're fine for hiking, but I assumed you were asking about
running shoes.

Yes, I am looking for running shoes, but these three although in
hiking section look flexible enough to be siutable for running too.
I liked Hi-Tec Tundra feel. Will see how it works for me.

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Quoted message said:

I have just checked a hiking section in my local Sports Authority
and narrowed their selection to Nike Bandolier II, Hi-Tec Tundra WR
and Salomon Exclamation. Anybody cares to share personal experience?
Any advice is appreciated.

NIKES SUCK! I just spent a good amount on a SUPPOSEDLY good pair of Nike
trail shoes, and literally within weeks they lost about 80% of the
cushioning, and you can see them bulging where the foam is exposed. Pure
waste of money. Don't waste your money. Buy adidas, asics, or buy a NB
trail shoe if those have kept you happy.

I would if whatever I can find in local stores satisfied me. Sure NB
produces shoes I would like, but for me they exist only on the internet.
As for Nike, good to know, never owned them. Also, I never had luck
with Adidas, they don't seem to make models for wider feet. Asics is OK,
but both pairs I owned lost heel integrity quickly so that sharp rocks
cause very noticable pain.

Sericinus hunter <[email hidden]> wrote in news:GeK0j.1069$TW5.728
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Yes, I am looking for running shoes, but these three although in
hiking section look flexible enough to be siutable for running too.
I liked Hi-Tec Tundra feel. Will see how it works for me.

BIG MISTAKE PAL! Running shoes and hikers are not interchangeable. Buy one
for running, and another pair for hiking. Don't take this advice, and your
nbext posted thread will be "what's this pain in my <any body part inserted
here> from?".

Sericinus hunter <[email hidden]> wrote in
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I would if whatever I can find in local stores satisfied me. Sure
NB
produces shoes I would like, but for me they exist only on the
internet.

And what's wrong with that? It is really the only palce to get the shoe you
really want.

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As for Nike, good to know, never owned them. Also, I never had
luck
with Adidas, they don't seem to make models for wider feet. Asics is
OK, but both pairs I owned lost heel integrity quickly so that sharp
rocks cause very noticable pain.

Then they weren't asics or adidas trail running shoes. I have wide feet,
and both asics and adidas make a suitable shoe for me, and anything far
superior to nikes.
Ebay has some great deals if you area good buyer. But whatever you do, do
NOT try huiking shoes to run in, or vica-versa, because every single
perrson here will tell you what a mistake that is.

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Then they weren't asics or adidas trail running shoes. I have wide
feet, and both asics and adidas make a suitable shoe for me, and
anything far superior to nikes.

AND far superior to anything NB makes too.If you've been happy with NB,
you'll be extactic with the right pair of asics or adidas. Adidas BY FAR
makes the superior trail shoe of any of the above, and after over 1000
miles I never once ever felt any rocks or stones poking through as you
described. You just need to find the right style shoe.

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Sericinus hunter <[email hidden]> wrote in news:GeK0j.1069$TW5.728
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Yes, I am looking for running shoes, but these three although in
hiking section look flexible enough to be siutable for running too.
I liked Hi-Tec Tundra feel. Will see how it works for me.

BIG MISTAKE PAL! Running shoes and hikers are not interchangeable. Buy one
for running, and another pair for hiking. Don't take this advice, and your
nbext posted thread will be "what's this pain in my <any body part inserted
here> from?".

Don't worry. I will recognize it right away. Personal experience is
the best judgement. And yes, I don't give a flying [censored] about fifty bucks
I threw away.

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Sericinus hunter <[email hidden]> wrote in
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I would if whatever I can find in local stores satisfied me. Sure
NB
produces shoes I would like, but for me they exist only on the
internet.

And what's wrong with that? It is really the only palce to get the shoe you
really want.

Maybe you are right. But I am still an old-fasioned man wanting to
try it on first.

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Quoted message said:

As for Nike, good to know, never owned them. Also, I never had
luck
with Adidas, they don't seem to make models for wider feet. Asics is
OK, but both pairs I owned lost heel integrity quickly so that sharp
rocks cause very noticable pain.

Then they weren't asics or adidas trail running shoes. I have wide feet,
and both asics and adidas make a suitable shoe for me, and anything far
superior to nikes.
Ebay has some great deals if you area good buyer. But whatever you do, do
NOT try huiking shoes to run in, or vica-versa, because every single
perrson here will tell you what a mistake that is.

Well, again. How do _you_ know this? Did you try? If so, I really
appreciate your warning. But still want to try it myself. In order to be
rightfully able give the same advice to some other novice. With no
expectation of respect indeed.

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Then they weren't asics or adidas trail running shoes. I have wide
feet, and both asics and adidas make a suitable shoe for me, and
anything far superior to nikes.

AND far superior to anything NB makes too.If you've been happy with NB,
you'll be extactic with the right pair of asics or adidas. Adidas BY FAR
makes the superior trail shoe of any of the above, and after over 1000
miles I never once ever felt any rocks or stones poking through as you
described. You just need to find the right style shoe.

OK. Give me the Adidas model for wide foot neutral gait trail running.
I'll try it.

Sericinus hunter:

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I am a neutral gaiter, slightly wide foot. Kind of happy with
NB 873 2E, but want something less, um... water penetratable.

How about NB 873 2E + waterproof socks?

Try hiking boots if you must. When they don't work out for running,
maybe you'll get use out of them for hiking.

Sericinus hunter <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Don't worry. I will recognize it right away.

[censored].

Sericinus hunter said:

Yes, thank you again. I am not about extremes at all. I just want to
be OK with occasional stepping in to a water pool during two hour or so
run. Good points though, I'll keet it in mind.

If you absolutely must keep your feet dry at all costs, my advice to you is, do
not run outdoors when there is water on the ground.

Just as it's not practical to take an umbrella running with you, or to wear
ski boots to prevent ankles rolling, this is an example where the solution
is worse than the problem.

I would recommend wearing smart wool (or similar -- merino wool) socks that will
provide good thermal insulation even if your feet get wet.

Cheers,
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Elflord <[email hidden]> wrote in
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If you absolutely must keep your feet dry at all costs, my advice to
you is, do not run outdoors when there is water on the ground.

Surely this tidbit of ultimate wisdom, will go down in the RR'ing hall
of fame.

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Alric "bionic lips" Knebel
284 McDonnell ave or 16201 Cervantes Ct
Biloxi, MS (228) 432-0131

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Elflord <[email hidden]> wrote in
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If you absolutely must keep your feet dry at all costs, my advice to
you is, do not run outdoors when there is water on the ground.

Oh gee, what genius!

Charlie Pendejo said:

Sericinus hunter:

Quoted message said:

I am a neutral gaiter, slightly wide foot. Kind of happy with
NB 873 2E, but want something less, um... water penetratable.

How about NB 873 2E + waterproof socks?

Try hiking boots if you must. When they don't work out for running,
maybe you'll get use out of them for hiking.

Thanks for the advice. I am going to try those tomorrow.
And what are waterproof socks? Never heard of them.

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Sericinus hunter <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Don't worry. I will recognize it right away.

[censored].

Is it common here to post under different names? It is so easy
to see that you are Imbecillicmoron and Internetguy. What's the point?

Elflord said:

Sericinus hunter said:

Yes, thank you again. I am not about extremes at all. I just want to
be OK with occasional stepping in to a water pool during two hour or so
run. Good points though, I'll keet it in mind.

If you absolutely must keep your feet dry at all costs, my advice to you is, do
not run outdoors when there is water on the ground.

No, this is not my intention. A little wet is OK. But 873 I run in now
is just like a durchschlag.