Re: Cardio and vommiting

Prisoner at War said:

Quoted message said:

I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
"heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
that is in my stomach.
This is not an issue in the privacy of my own home, but it almost
happened today when my PT had me doing a cardio session for the first
time. I had to "rest" and focus on not dry heaving as that would be
embarrassing. I was unable to perform to the best of my current
ability (not even close) and that was a huge dissappointment for
me.

Quoted message said:

Here is what I ate about 45min before the session (the session is in
the early morning, about an hour after I wake up):

Quoted message said:

1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
orange juice (4 oz)
1/2 low carb pita bread

Quoted message said:

Would anything I consumed cause the reaction? Is there something
better that I should have in my stomach to fuel my cardio session?

Quoted message said:

I comsune water during the session. Should I try something like a
pepto-bismal or an acid-reducer?
I feel perfectly fine after I end the session (except for the
disappointment)

Quoted message said:

Does anyone have any suggestions to remedy this problem?
Thanks.
Dave

Dude, I can't imagine why you feel like heaving. Perhaps you're just
a newbie? Or maybe you're seriously obese? No, I'm not joking or
anything...I just can't imagine what's going on. Maybe you're like
one of them folks who get "seasick" from too much "motion"....

Yeah, that might be it: do you ever have "balance issues" otherwise?
I wonder. You really don't eat hardly anything, and you do that a
good time before working out.

Do check with a doctor. I would suspect some kind of "balance" thing,
as I said...it's not normal to want to heave on so little so long
after ingestion!- Hide quoted text -

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I'm overweight, but not obese, hence the cardio. (5'9 - 176lbs)
When I was doing only cardio on the treadmill, I could run 3.5 miles
in about 45 minutes without cramping. The difference was that this
was interval training and not cardio circuit training. Would that be
considered a "newbie"? I do not know.

I do not think I have a balance issue, or else I would be sick
everytime I exercised.
I thought it might be a combination of something I ate or did not eat
in combination with cardio training.
Do I need to eat more of something before starting the session?

On Nov 13, 12:50 pm, Dave Schumaker <[email hidden]> wrote: I
sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
cramps which causes me to dry heave. <<

Hypovolemia .. ?

That will raise your blood cell count and cause hyperviscosity / low
flow blood .. again with exercise / hypovolemia compounding the low
flow blood therefore .. vomiting / nausea.

You may have increased red blood cell count and therefore any type of
exercise can lead to nausea / vomiting / gastrointestinal distress /
nausea, heartburn, gas.

The intensity of the exercise may be leading to the hypovolemia /
dehydration.

Who loves ya.
Tom

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Prisoner at War said:

On Nov 13, 2:46 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
"heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
that is in my stomach.
This is not an issue in the privacy of my own home, but it almost
happened today when my PT had me doing a cardio session for the first
time. I had to "rest" and focus on not dry heaving as that would be
embarrassing. I was unable to perform to the best of my current
ability (not even close) and that was a huge dissappointment for
me.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Here is what I ate about 45min before the session (the session is in
the early morning, about an hour after I wake up):

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
orange juice (4 oz)
1/2 low carb pita bread

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Would anything I consumed cause the reaction? Is there something
better that I should have in my stomach to fuel my cardio session?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I comsune water during the session. Should I try something like a
pepto-bismal or an acid-reducer?
I feel perfectly fine after I end the session (except for the
disappointment)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Does anyone have any suggestions to remedy this problem?
Thanks.
Dave

Quoted message said:

Dude, I can't imagine why you feel like heaving. Perhaps you're just
a newbie? Or maybe you're seriously obese? No, I'm not joking or
anything...I just can't imagine what's going on. Maybe you're like
one of them folks who get "seasick" from too much "motion"....

Quoted message said:

Yeah, that might be it: do you ever have "balance issues" otherwise?
I wonder. You really don't eat hardly anything, and you do that a
good time before working out.

Quoted message said:

Do check with a doctor. I would suspect some kind of "balance" thing,
as I said...it's not normal to want to heave on so little so long
after ingestion!- Hide quoted text -

Quoted message said:

- Show quoted text -

I'm overweight, but not obese, hence the cardio. (5'9 - 176lbs)
When I was doing only cardio on the treadmill, I could run 3.5 miles
in about 45 minutes without cramping. The difference was that this
was interval training and not cardio circuit training. Would that be
considered a "newbie"? I do not know.

I do not think I have a balance issue, or else I would be sick
everytime I exercised.
I thought it might be a combination of something I ate or did not eat
in combination with cardio training.
Do I need to eat more of something before starting the session?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dave Schumaker said:

I'm overweight, but not obese, hence the cardio. (5'9 - 176lbs)

That's not really "overweight"...them height-weight charts were made
up for a specific purpose, did you know that? These two doctors back
in the '70s were heading into a conference and decided to organize
their research data in that way, as a short-hand kind of way of
looking at the population under study...they never meant for it to
become some kind of gold standard for good health or something like
that....

Quoted message said:

When I was doing only cardio on the treadmill, I could run 3.5 miles
in about 45 minutes without cramping. The difference was that this
was interval training and not cardio circuit training. Would that be
considered a "newbie"? I do not know.

I'm a "newbie" to this schtuff...whatsa difference 'tween interval and
circuit, exactly?

But I don't think that cardio in general is the issue....

Quoted message said:

I do not think I have a balance issue, or else I would be sick
everytime I exercised.
I thought it might be a combination of something I ate or did not eat
in combination with cardio training.
Do I need to eat more of something before starting the session?

You should see a doctor. It can't simply be what you're eating or not
eating. Must be something more serious, or especially peculiar to
you. I mentioned the "balance" issue because I know of a few folks
who get "motion sickness"...maybe you have a very particular case of
it?? Like, maybe 'cause of the way the food sits in your stomach --
maybe being liquid, or not heavy enough (or too heavy???)....

One in hundred guys would throw up in Army BCT when wolfing down chow
and then having to run somewhere and do push-ups...but the vast
majority could hold it in. I'm not sure what the "physics" of all
that is, but I do know that your case is a bit unusual, though not
exactly unheard-of.

Again, do check with a doctor. Maybe you have a heart condition,
even...could be anything -- but one thing it isn't is normal.

Any runners or soldiers here have any ideas what could be the matter?

Dave Schumaker said:

I'm overweight, but not obese, hence the cardio. (5'9 - 176lbs)

You're taller and lighter than me! I have a little bit of a belly, but
anyone who says i'm overweight is getting a punch. Of course, i weigh so
much because of my hyoooge monster muscles, naturally.

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When I was doing only cardio on the treadmill, I could run 3.5 miles in
about 45 minutes without cramping. The difference was that this was
interval training and not cardio circuit training.

This sounds normal to me. When you exercise really, really intensely, as
you do in intervals, you make lactic acid. For some reason, having lots of
that makes you feel sick. A friend of mine rowed pretty seriously at
university, and said it was standard for them to finish a session on the
ergs shaking or vomiting. In fact, her coach told her that if they weren't
doing both, they weren't working hard enough. I get nauseous cycling to
and from work some days - typically if i haven't eaten recently and am
charging up a hill at great speed. A second of heaving, and it passes.

The solution is to embrace it. Nausea means you're at the limit of what
you can do, which is right where you want to be!

tom

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As far as I can tell it's a mixture of stream-of-consciousness writing,
random mathematical formulae, and half-crazed references to sex.

"Dave Schumaker" <> I'm overweight, but not obese, hence the cardio. (5'9 -
176lbs)
The difference was that this was interval training and not cardio circuit
training. >

If it is not some other health issue, have you considered the gym itself?
Sometimes a gym can have some nasty odors or an unpleasant environment. It
could be other people that smell bad or are giving off some bad vibes. This
could give you some stress and contribute to the feeling of nausea.

Unless you do have some medical condition, you might want to check your
steps next time before you go to the gym and try and identify what might be
contributing to or sparking the nausea.

"Prisoner at War" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
"heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
that is in my stomach.
This is not an issue in the privacy of my own home, but it almost
happened today when my PT had me doing a cardio session for the first
time. I had to "rest" and focus on not dry heaving as that would be
embarrassing. I was unable to perform to the best of my current
ability (not even close) and that was a huge dissappointment for
me.

Here is what I ate about 45min before the session (the session is in
the early morning, about an hour after I wake up):

1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
orange juice (4 oz)
1/2 low carb pita bread

1. What percent of max are you exercising at? I'll dry heave at the end of
an all out race at max heartrate. If you are getting up to near max
heartrate on your cardio workouts, that is not training, that's racing. If
you're working that hard on a typical workout, that's waaay too hard, and it
ain't much fun, either. Killing yourself at each workout does *not* give
you the best results for aerobic fitness.

2. Eat your pre-session mini-meal 2 hours before your intense sessions.
For a 5k race (100% max effort), I'll eat 2-300 calories 3 hours prior to
the race. The harder you're working, the further back you need to space
your eating.

My rule is 100 calories/hour prior to exercise, e.g., you can eat 200
calories 2 hours before the start, or 300 calories 3 hours before, etc. And
if I'm going to go real hard, I make sure I don't eat anything at all 2-3
hours prior to the session. Long enough to mostly digest what I ate so that
your body won't want to chuck it up. You want your blood going to your
muscles, not your digestive system.

Quoted message said:

1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
orange juice (4 oz)
1/2 low carb pita bread
[...]
...cardio session...

Educated guess: carbohydrate poisoning.

Leave the bread and juice to people who run, cycle, or swim. Those
who "perform cardio sessions" (as well as those who "don't do cardio"😉
fare better with chicken wings, bunless burgers, pistachios, and most
powders sold in buckets.

Raw eggs used to be good too, back when men were men.

Dave Schumaker said:

Prisoner at War said:

On Nov 13, 2:46 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
"heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
that is in my stomach.
This is not an issue in the privacy of my own home, but it almost
happened today when my PT had me doing a cardio session for the first
time. I had to "rest" and focus on not dry heaving as that would be
embarrassing. I was unable to perform to the best of my current
ability (not even close) and that was a huge dissappointment for
me.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Here is what I ate about 45min before the session (the session is in
the early morning, about an hour after I wake up):

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
orange juice (4 oz)
1/2 low carb pita bread

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Would anything I consumed cause the reaction? Is there something
better that I should have in my stomach to fuel my cardio session?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I comsune water during the session. Should I try something like a
pepto-bismal or an acid-reducer?
I feel perfectly fine after I end the session (except for the
disappointment)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Does anyone have any suggestions to remedy this problem?
Thanks.
Dave

Quoted message said:

Dude, I can't imagine why you feel like heaving. Perhaps you're just
a newbie? Or maybe you're seriously obese? No, I'm not joking or
anything...I just can't imagine what's going on. Maybe you're like
one of them folks who get "seasick" from too much "motion"....

Quoted message said:

Yeah, that might be it: do you ever have "balance issues" otherwise?
I wonder. You really don't eat hardly anything, and you do that a
good time before working out.

Quoted message said:

Do check with a doctor. I would suspect some kind of "balance" thing,
as I said...it's not normal to want to heave on so little so long
after ingestion!- Hide quoted text -

Quoted message said:

- Show quoted text -

I'm overweight, but not obese, hence the cardio. (5'9 - 176lbs)
When I was doing only cardio on the treadmill, I could run 3.5 miles
in about 45 minutes without cramping. The difference was that this
was interval training and not cardio circuit training. Would that be
considered a "newbie"? I do not know.

I do not think I have a balance issue, or else I would be sick
everytime I exercised.
I thought it might be a combination of something I ate or did not eat
in combination with cardio training.
Do I need to eat more of something before starting the session?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dave, there is a good website for cardio and weightlifting: cbass.com
Clarence Bass is a weight lifter, has written books and either he or
someone at his website will answer questions you send to him. You
will probably enjoy reading all the stuff on his website. I hope you
reply on this site that you read this so I will at least know you got
this information. Good luck

Dolores