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  1. Back in the late 70s I used to commute into London by bike (initially
    Chiswick-Fleet Street and later Croydon-Fleet Street). Apart from cycle
    couriers I was in a significant minority.

    I just went on a 26 bus from Liverpool Street to Waterloo and it was a
    revalation (yes, I know but I was in London from Somerset and had all sorts
    of things to do which weren't practical by bike). We're like bugs on a
    bumper! There are cyclists everywhere.

    After all the threads about RLJ and the like I was watching behaviour and as
    far as I could see there was everything from downright stupidly dangerous
    (blasting through a red like with no lights and dark clothes with crossing
    traffic) to ultra sensible and legal (hi vis clothing, good lights, stopping
    at traffic lights etc.). I don't believe you can (and never could) put all
    of us in one category.

    I don't think I saw any motorised vehicles doing an RLJ. Several
    motorbikes assuming the whole road is theirs. And my bus driver ignored
    every single ASL he had to stop at and pulled up in the bike box. One bus
    driver tried to overtake a bike on approach to a bus stop; failed and in
    trying to pull in behind (to give him his due) balked a following cyclist.

    The one that really got me was the cyclist who caught up a bus at a bus stop
    and breezed through the embarking and disembarking passengers even though
    there wasn't really space for him without the passengers (so I wasn't
    impressed by that one).

    But now I've experienced the numbers in London I'll have to work on my
    neighbours in Somerset. There's one elderly lady who seems to have given
    up recently (pity) and another lady on a Roberts trike which looks a little
    long in the tooth but otherwise a nice piece of kit and a couple of mountain
    BSOs and, in a town of 4k people, that's it. I had thought of the school
    as a starting point but the kids from surrounding villages are bussed in and
    the locals walk.

  2. Graham Harrison said:

    I don't think I saw any motorised vehicles doing an RLJ. Several
    motorbikes assuming the whole road is theirs. And my bus driver ignored
    every single ASL he had to stop at and pulled up in the bike box.

    Technically, then, you did see a motorised vehicle doing an RLJ, but
    from the inside. The offence is in crossing the stop line, not crossing
    the junction.

    Of course, the difference between letter-of-the-law and
    spirit-in-which-it-was-intended can be (and is) debated endlessly :-)

    -dan

  3. Graham Harrison said:

    But now I've experienced the numbers in London I'll have to work on my
    neighbours in Somerset. There's one elderly lady who seems to have
    given up recently (pity)

    If its age and hills, then electric assist may be the answer. An elderly
    neighbour of mine was on the point of quitting using her bicycle to get to
    the shops when she found out about electric assisted bikes. It maintains her
    independence as the local shops are 1.5 miles away.

    - Nigel

    --
    Nigel Cliffe,
    Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

  4. Graham Harrison said:

    We're like bugs on a bumper!

    I hope your bus didn't collect too many cyclists on its bumper.

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