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  1. Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys. She
    did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I noticed that
    their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming over her
    head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry. When she put on
    the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the water. With her arm
    straight out, there was no extension under the water after her hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she put on
    her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in the
    water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of the
    water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her thumb was
    entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool toys
    that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just using this
    pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    Pat in TX

  2. "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys.
    She did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I
    noticed that their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming
    over her head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry.
    When she put on the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the
    water. With her arm straight out, there was no extension under the
    water after her hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she
    put on her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in
    the water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of
    the water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her
    thumb was entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool
    toys that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just
    using this pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to
    wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    Pat in TX

    You raise a good point. Current wisdom in athletic training is that you
    shouldn't train something that's very close to the actual movement used
    in your sport while adding addition resistance, and for the reasons you
    cite - the body gets confused and starts doing the
    heavier/weighted/harder version instead of the real one. The simplified
    version of the solution here is to lift weights in the weight room and
    swim without aids in the swimming pool.

    I always tried to make a difference in what I used the aids for, e.g.,
    when I used paddles, I always used them as part of a stroke reduction
    drill, and was therefore taking a slower than usual stroke in both the
    rate per lap and the actual speed of my hand, I was adding extra glide
    time, etc. I think trying to achieve a fast hand through the water with
    big paddles on can be asking for injury as well.

    Sounds like the person you were watching was pretty clueless.

    Just my opinion.

    -S-

  3. "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys.
    She did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I
    noticed that their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming
    over her head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry.
    When she put on the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the
    water. With her arm straight out, there was no extension under the
    water after her hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she
    put on her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in
    the water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of
    the water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her
    thumb was entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool
    toys that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just
    using this pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to
    wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    Pat in TX

    You raise a good point. Current wisdom in athletic training is that you
    shouldn't train something that's very close to the actual movement used
    in your sport while adding addition resistance, and for the reasons you
    cite - the body gets confused and starts doing the
    heavier/weighted/harder version instead of the real one. The simplified
    version of the solution here is to lift weights in the weight room and
    swim without aids in the swimming pool.

    I always tried to make a difference in what I used the aids for, e.g.,
    when I used paddles, I always used them as part of a stroke reduction
    drill, and was therefore taking a slower than usual stroke in both the
    rate per lap and the actual speed of my hand, I was adding extra glide
    time, etc. I think trying to achieve a fast hand through the water with
    big paddles on can be asking for injury as well.

    Sounds like the person you were watching was pretty clueless.

    Just my opinion.

    -S-

  4. "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys.
    She did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I
    noticed that their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming
    over her head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry.
    When she put on the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the
    water. With her arm straight out, there was no extension under the
    water after her hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she
    put on her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in
    the water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of
    the water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her
    thumb was entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool
    toys that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just
    using this pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to
    wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    Pat in TX

    You raise a good point. Current wisdom in athletic training is that you
    shouldn't train something that's very close to the actual movement used
    in your sport while adding addition resistance, and for the reasons you
    cite - the body gets confused and starts doing the
    heavier/weighted/harder version instead of the real one. The simplified
    version of the solution here is to lift weights in the weight room and
    swim without aids in the swimming pool.

    I always tried to make a difference in what I used the aids for, e.g.,
    when I used paddles, I always used them as part of a stroke reduction
    drill, and was therefore taking a slower than usual stroke in both the
    rate per lap and the actual speed of my hand, I was adding extra glide
    time, etc. I think trying to achieve a fast hand through the water with
    big paddles on can be asking for injury as well.

    Sounds like the person you were watching was pretty clueless.

    Just my opinion.

    -S-

  5. Pat said:

    Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys. She
    did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I noticed that
    their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming over her
    head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry. When she put on
    the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the water. With her arm
    straight out, there was no extension under the water after her hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she put on
    her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in the
    water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of the
    water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her thumb was
    entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool toys
    that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just using this
    pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    It doesn't sound right, but I don't think the aids are the problem.
    Generally, using fins will attenuate a large amplitude kick, not the
    other way around. And using paddles normally forces you to pay extra
    attention to your angle of attack and pull. She sounds like she can
    expect major shoulder problems before long.

  6. Pat said:

    Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys. She
    did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I noticed that
    their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming over her
    head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry. When she put on
    the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the water. With her arm
    straight out, there was no extension under the water after her hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she put on
    her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in the
    water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of the
    water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her thumb was
    entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool toys
    that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just using this
    pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    It doesn't sound right, but I don't think the aids are the problem.
    Generally, using fins will attenuate a large amplitude kick, not the
    other way around. And using paddles normally forces you to pay extra
    attention to your angle of attack and pull. She sounds like she can
    expect major shoulder problems before long.

  7. Pat said:

    Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys. She
    did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I noticed that
    their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming over her
    head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry. When she put on
    the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the water. With her arm
    straight out, there was no extension under the water after her hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she put on
    her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in the
    water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of the
    water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her thumb was
    entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool toys
    that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just using this
    pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    It doesn't sound right, but I don't think the aids are the problem.
    Generally, using fins will attenuate a large amplitude kick, not the
    other way around. And using paddles normally forces you to pay extra
    attention to your angle of attack and pull. She sounds like she can
    expect major shoulder problems before long.

  8. Any parent will know, to their cost (literally), that a young swimmer's
    street cred nowadays depends not on performance in the water, but on having
    the right collection of equipment to take to the pool. Clothes must all have
    the right logo, their other functions being of secondary importance. The
    rest of the stuff will be familiar. Several costumes (latest cut and logo of
    course), patent flannel, several towels, anti-chlorine shampoo, conditioner,
    skin care products, hair dryer, several sets of flippers -(oops sorry,
    fins), specially shaped pull buoy and kick board, several types of paddles,
    swim mitts, heart monitor, drinking bottles, stop watch, a dozen pairs of
    goggles and two dozen swimming hats. All this requires a huge bag, which
    must also carry the logo of the moment.

    I have noticed that swimming bags are inversely proportional in size to that
    of their owner. This whole trend of this equipment fetish is getting to the
    stage where I confidently predict that soon pools will become like a
    hypermarket in reverse, with shopping trolleys available in the car park for
    the swimmers to unload their clobber to carry it in to the changing room.

    I am not qualified to say whether all this stuff is really necessary, but it
    is the sine qua non of social acceptance of the young, and since I lost that
    status when the Dead Sea wasn't even ill, I'll not comment. I am reminded
    however of an a friend at college who decided to develop his puny physique
    by buying a Bullworker body-building machine. It gathered dust on display in
    the corner of his room for about 6 months at which point he wrote asking for
    his money back, on the grounds that owning it had done nothing for him. The
    reply he got was as dusty as the machine.

    What beats me is how the marketing gurus of the sports equipment companies
    can have missed the opportunities for selling specialist equipment to the
    more mature swimmer. I know from experience that beyond a certain age,
    comfort becomes more important than street cred or even speed, and this
    should be the guiding principle. For example, what is worse than getting in
    to a cold wet costume? Surely it is not beyond the whit of science to design
    a costume warmer which would deliver a warmly caressing garment to the
    nether regions. While swimming you could put your socks in there. There is
    no treat greater than hot socks, once you are over 40 that is.

    That made me think of the anti-verruca rubber socks you sometimes see in
    changing rooms. A wider market exists for lightweight wellingtons to get you
    through the foot bath without getting your feet cold and wet. Similarly a
    pack-down umbrella could be designed to keep those silly pool showers off
    you. Ordinary boots and umbrellas are not acceptable - I know as I've been
    asked to stop using mine.

    I see now that goggle designers are spending thousands to reduce the already
    minuscule drag in the water caused by turbulence around the eye sockets. In
    my book the money would be better spent on developing goggles you can
    actually see through. I have yet to find a pair of anti-mist goggles which
    stay anti-mist for more that two swims. The solution is obvious. The only
    thing which cured condensation on my windows at home was double glazing, so
    how long before double glazed goggles? The only drawback might be the number
    of phone calls you would get from people trying to sell them.

    Another tendency which increases with age is the frequency with which one
    gets overtaken in the pool. A useful accoutrement to help with this would be
    a rear view mirror, mounted on the shoulder, so you could move aside if the
    overtaker was a friend, or aim your kick if otherwise.

    As for these cow-teat drinking bottles swimmers all suck at, I am not
    impressed. They ruin a gin and tonic, and beer goes flat in them. So here's
    another marketing opportunity - a Portable Poolside Teasmade for during the
    swim, and an automatic pint of Guinness which pours itself and stands to
    settle five minutes before you get out. There must be a way.

    Another useful gizmo for the discerning swimmer would be a portable Corby
    trouser press. As many changing rooms suffer the vandalism of having all the
    pegs pulled off the wall, clothes often have to be stuffed in to lockers or
    left lying on benches. This is not a problem for youths as it generally
    improves the look of the sort of things they wear. It's not so welcome
    however if you are wearing a month's salary of suit, shoes etc., and you may
    be off to see a customer soon after. I have never seen a Corby trouser press
    anywhere except in hotel rooms. Strange that.

    Whilst in the changing room, a special mirror for senior swimmers would be a
    good idea. Many, like me, are the wide bodied type, but don't want to be
    reminded of it. Consequently it is common to see us in front of the mirrors
    twisting our torsos like Sharron Davies when there's a camera about, to try
    to look thinner. The slipped disks this leads to must surely be a drain on
    the economy. It would therefore save the National Health Service a fortune
    if they paid to have fairground mirrors installed in the changing rooms. The
    sort that make you look thin would be just the ticket.

    Going in to a business meeting with goggle marks can be off-putting to
    customers, so another accessory for the Business Swimmer could be false
    glasses to hide behind. Those who already wear spectacles are catered for,
    but for those who don't - just think! Not only could you hide your goggle
    marks, you could do imitations of Brains from Thunderbirds when the meeting
    began to get boring. If your goggle marks were particularly bad you could
    add a false nose and moustache to the glasses, and do a Groucho Marx.

    Of course many of these things could be made unnecessary if one could afford
    a butler to attend you when swimming. Alas that is beyond the purse of most
    mortals. It might not work anyway, after all, look at the young. They have
    better than a butler - they have a parent, and yet still they seem to need
    all that gear. That's the problem of getting old, I just don't understand.

    --
    Duncan Heenan
    (Speaking personally)

    -------------------------------------------------

    "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys. She
    did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I noticed
    that their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming over
    her head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry. When she
    put on the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the water. With
    her arm straight out, there was no extension under the water after her
    hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she put on
    her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in the
    water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of the
    water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her thumb
    was entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool toys
    that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just using this
    pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    Pat in TX

  9. Any parent will know, to their cost (literally), that a young swimmer's
    street cred nowadays depends not on performance in the water, but on having
    the right collection of equipment to take to the pool. Clothes must all have
    the right logo, their other functions being of secondary importance. The
    rest of the stuff will be familiar. Several costumes (latest cut and logo of
    course), patent flannel, several towels, anti-chlorine shampoo, conditioner,
    skin care products, hair dryer, several sets of flippers -(oops sorry,
    fins), specially shaped pull buoy and kick board, several types of paddles,
    swim mitts, heart monitor, drinking bottles, stop watch, a dozen pairs of
    goggles and two dozen swimming hats. All this requires a huge bag, which
    must also carry the logo of the moment.

    I have noticed that swimming bags are inversely proportional in size to that
    of their owner. This whole trend of this equipment fetish is getting to the
    stage where I confidently predict that soon pools will become like a
    hypermarket in reverse, with shopping trolleys available in the car park for
    the swimmers to unload their clobber to carry it in to the changing room.

    I am not qualified to say whether all this stuff is really necessary, but it
    is the sine qua non of social acceptance of the young, and since I lost that
    status when the Dead Sea wasn't even ill, I'll not comment. I am reminded
    however of an a friend at college who decided to develop his puny physique
    by buying a Bullworker body-building machine. It gathered dust on display in
    the corner of his room for about 6 months at which point he wrote asking for
    his money back, on the grounds that owning it had done nothing for him. The
    reply he got was as dusty as the machine.

    What beats me is how the marketing gurus of the sports equipment companies
    can have missed the opportunities for selling specialist equipment to the
    more mature swimmer. I know from experience that beyond a certain age,
    comfort becomes more important than street cred or even speed, and this
    should be the guiding principle. For example, what is worse than getting in
    to a cold wet costume? Surely it is not beyond the whit of science to design
    a costume warmer which would deliver a warmly caressing garment to the
    nether regions. While swimming you could put your socks in there. There is
    no treat greater than hot socks, once you are over 40 that is.

    That made me think of the anti-verruca rubber socks you sometimes see in
    changing rooms. A wider market exists for lightweight wellingtons to get you
    through the foot bath without getting your feet cold and wet. Similarly a
    pack-down umbrella could be designed to keep those silly pool showers off
    you. Ordinary boots and umbrellas are not acceptable - I know as I've been
    asked to stop using mine.

    I see now that goggle designers are spending thousands to reduce the already
    minuscule drag in the water caused by turbulence around the eye sockets. In
    my book the money would be better spent on developing goggles you can
    actually see through. I have yet to find a pair of anti-mist goggles which
    stay anti-mist for more that two swims. The solution is obvious. The only
    thing which cured condensation on my windows at home was double glazing, so
    how long before double glazed goggles? The only drawback might be the number
    of phone calls you would get from people trying to sell them.

    Another tendency which increases with age is the frequency with which one
    gets overtaken in the pool. A useful accoutrement to help with this would be
    a rear view mirror, mounted on the shoulder, so you could move aside if the
    overtaker was a friend, or aim your kick if otherwise.

    As for these cow-teat drinking bottles swimmers all suck at, I am not
    impressed. They ruin a gin and tonic, and beer goes flat in them. So here's
    another marketing opportunity - a Portable Poolside Teasmade for during the
    swim, and an automatic pint of Guinness which pours itself and stands to
    settle five minutes before you get out. There must be a way.

    Another useful gizmo for the discerning swimmer would be a portable Corby
    trouser press. As many changing rooms suffer the vandalism of having all the
    pegs pulled off the wall, clothes often have to be stuffed in to lockers or
    left lying on benches. This is not a problem for youths as it generally
    improves the look of the sort of things they wear. It's not so welcome
    however if you are wearing a month's salary of suit, shoes etc., and you may
    be off to see a customer soon after. I have never seen a Corby trouser press
    anywhere except in hotel rooms. Strange that.

    Whilst in the changing room, a special mirror for senior swimmers would be a
    good idea. Many, like me, are the wide bodied type, but don't want to be
    reminded of it. Consequently it is common to see us in front of the mirrors
    twisting our torsos like Sharron Davies when there's a camera about, to try
    to look thinner. The slipped disks this leads to must surely be a drain on
    the economy. It would therefore save the National Health Service a fortune
    if they paid to have fairground mirrors installed in the changing rooms. The
    sort that make you look thin would be just the ticket.

    Going in to a business meeting with goggle marks can be off-putting to
    customers, so another accessory for the Business Swimmer could be false
    glasses to hide behind. Those who already wear spectacles are catered for,
    but for those who don't - just think! Not only could you hide your goggle
    marks, you could do imitations of Brains from Thunderbirds when the meeting
    began to get boring. If your goggle marks were particularly bad you could
    add a false nose and moustache to the glasses, and do a Groucho Marx.

    Of course many of these things could be made unnecessary if one could afford
    a butler to attend you when swimming. Alas that is beyond the purse of most
    mortals. It might not work anyway, after all, look at the young. They have
    better than a butler - they have a parent, and yet still they seem to need
    all that gear. That's the problem of getting old, I just don't understand.

    --
    Duncan Heenan
    (Speaking personally)

    -------------------------------------------------

    "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys. She
    did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I noticed
    that their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming over
    her head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry. When she
    put on the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the water. With
    her arm straight out, there was no extension under the water after her
    hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she put on
    her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in the
    water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of the
    water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her thumb
    was entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool toys
    that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just using this
    pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    Pat in TX

  10. Any parent will know, to their cost (literally), that a young swimmer's
    street cred nowadays depends not on performance in the water, but on having
    the right collection of equipment to take to the pool. Clothes must all have
    the right logo, their other functions being of secondary importance. The
    rest of the stuff will be familiar. Several costumes (latest cut and logo of
    course), patent flannel, several towels, anti-chlorine shampoo, conditioner,
    skin care products, hair dryer, several sets of flippers -(oops sorry,
    fins), specially shaped pull buoy and kick board, several types of paddles,
    swim mitts, heart monitor, drinking bottles, stop watch, a dozen pairs of
    goggles and two dozen swimming hats. All this requires a huge bag, which
    must also carry the logo of the moment.

    I have noticed that swimming bags are inversely proportional in size to that
    of their owner. This whole trend of this equipment fetish is getting to the
    stage where I confidently predict that soon pools will become like a
    hypermarket in reverse, with shopping trolleys available in the car park for
    the swimmers to unload their clobber to carry it in to the changing room.

    I am not qualified to say whether all this stuff is really necessary, but it
    is the sine qua non of social acceptance of the young, and since I lost that
    status when the Dead Sea wasn't even ill, I'll not comment. I am reminded
    however of an a friend at college who decided to develop his puny physique
    by buying a Bullworker body-building machine. It gathered dust on display in
    the corner of his room for about 6 months at which point he wrote asking for
    his money back, on the grounds that owning it had done nothing for him. The
    reply he got was as dusty as the machine.

    What beats me is how the marketing gurus of the sports equipment companies
    can have missed the opportunities for selling specialist equipment to the
    more mature swimmer. I know from experience that beyond a certain age,
    comfort becomes more important than street cred or even speed, and this
    should be the guiding principle. For example, what is worse than getting in
    to a cold wet costume? Surely it is not beyond the whit of science to design
    a costume warmer which would deliver a warmly caressing garment to the
    nether regions. While swimming you could put your socks in there. There is
    no treat greater than hot socks, once you are over 40 that is.

    That made me think of the anti-verruca rubber socks you sometimes see in
    changing rooms. A wider market exists for lightweight wellingtons to get you
    through the foot bath without getting your feet cold and wet. Similarly a
    pack-down umbrella could be designed to keep those silly pool showers off
    you. Ordinary boots and umbrellas are not acceptable - I know as I've been
    asked to stop using mine.

    I see now that goggle designers are spending thousands to reduce the already
    minuscule drag in the water caused by turbulence around the eye sockets. In
    my book the money would be better spent on developing goggles you can
    actually see through. I have yet to find a pair of anti-mist goggles which
    stay anti-mist for more that two swims. The solution is obvious. The only
    thing which cured condensation on my windows at home was double glazing, so
    how long before double glazed goggles? The only drawback might be the number
    of phone calls you would get from people trying to sell them.

    Another tendency which increases with age is the frequency with which one
    gets overtaken in the pool. A useful accoutrement to help with this would be
    a rear view mirror, mounted on the shoulder, so you could move aside if the
    overtaker was a friend, or aim your kick if otherwise.

    As for these cow-teat drinking bottles swimmers all suck at, I am not
    impressed. They ruin a gin and tonic, and beer goes flat in them. So here's
    another marketing opportunity - a Portable Poolside Teasmade for during the
    swim, and an automatic pint of Guinness which pours itself and stands to
    settle five minutes before you get out. There must be a way.

    Another useful gizmo for the discerning swimmer would be a portable Corby
    trouser press. As many changing rooms suffer the vandalism of having all the
    pegs pulled off the wall, clothes often have to be stuffed in to lockers or
    left lying on benches. This is not a problem for youths as it generally
    improves the look of the sort of things they wear. It's not so welcome
    however if you are wearing a month's salary of suit, shoes etc., and you may
    be off to see a customer soon after. I have never seen a Corby trouser press
    anywhere except in hotel rooms. Strange that.

    Whilst in the changing room, a special mirror for senior swimmers would be a
    good idea. Many, like me, are the wide bodied type, but don't want to be
    reminded of it. Consequently it is common to see us in front of the mirrors
    twisting our torsos like Sharron Davies when there's a camera about, to try
    to look thinner. The slipped disks this leads to must surely be a drain on
    the economy. It would therefore save the National Health Service a fortune
    if they paid to have fairground mirrors installed in the changing rooms. The
    sort that make you look thin would be just the ticket.

    Going in to a business meeting with goggle marks can be off-putting to
    customers, so another accessory for the Business Swimmer could be false
    glasses to hide behind. Those who already wear spectacles are catered for,
    but for those who don't - just think! Not only could you hide your goggle
    marks, you could do imitations of Brains from Thunderbirds when the meeting
    began to get boring. If your goggle marks were particularly bad you could
    add a false nose and moustache to the glasses, and do a Groucho Marx.

    Of course many of these things could be made unnecessary if one could afford
    a butler to attend you when swimming. Alas that is beyond the purse of most
    mortals. It might not work anyway, after all, look at the young. They have
    better than a butler - they have a parent, and yet still they seem to need
    all that gear. That's the problem of getting old, I just don't understand.

    --
    Duncan Heenan
    (Speaking personally)

    -------------------------------------------------

    "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys. She
    did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I noticed
    that their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming over
    her head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry. When she
    put on the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the water. With
    her arm straight out, there was no extension under the water after her
    hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she put on
    her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in the
    water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of the
    water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her thumb
    was entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool toys
    that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just using this
    pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    Pat in TX

  11. Count me in to purchase the automatic Stout dispenser. ๐Ÿ™‚

    -S-

    "Duncan Heenan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Any parent will know, to their cost (literally), that a young
    swimmer's street cred nowadays depends not on performance in the
    water, but on having the right collection of equipment to take to the
    pool. Clothes must all have the right logo, their other functions
    being of secondary importance. The rest of the stuff will be familiar.
    Several costumes (latest cut and logo of course), patent flannel,
    several towels, anti-chlorine shampoo, conditioner, skin care
    products, hair dryer, several sets of flippers -(oops sorry, fins),
    specially shaped pull buoy and kick board, several types of paddles,
    swim mitts, heart monitor, drinking bottles, stop watch, a dozen pairs
    of goggles and two dozen swimming hats. All this requires a huge bag,
    which must also carry the logo of the moment.

    I have noticed that swimming bags are inversely proportional in size
    to that of their owner. This whole trend of this equipment fetish is
    getting to the stage where I confidently predict that soon pools will
    become like a hypermarket in reverse, with shopping trolleys available
    in the car park for the swimmers to unload their clobber to carry it
    in to the changing room.

    I am not qualified to say whether all this stuff is really necessary,
    but it is the sine qua non of social acceptance of the young, and
    since I lost that status when the Dead Sea wasn't even ill, I'll not
    comment. I am reminded however of an a friend at college who decided
    to develop his puny physique by buying a Bullworker body-building
    machine. It gathered dust on display in the corner of his room for
    about 6 months at which point he wrote asking for his money back, on
    the grounds that owning it had done nothing for him. The reply he got
    was as dusty as the machine.

    What beats me is how the marketing gurus of the sports equipment
    companies can have missed the opportunities for selling specialist
    equipment to the more mature swimmer. I know from experience that
    beyond a certain age, comfort becomes more important than street cred
    or even speed, and this should be the guiding principle. For example,
    what is worse than getting in to a cold wet costume? Surely it is not
    beyond the whit of science to design a costume warmer which would
    deliver a warmly caressing garment to the nether regions. While
    swimming you could put your socks in there. There is no treat greater
    than hot socks, once you are over 40 that is.

    That made me think of the anti-verruca rubber socks you sometimes see
    in changing rooms. A wider market exists for lightweight wellingtons
    to get you through the foot bath without getting your feet cold and
    wet. Similarly a pack-down umbrella could be designed to keep those
    silly pool showers off you. Ordinary boots and umbrellas are not
    acceptable - I know as I've been asked to stop using mine.

    I see now that goggle designers are spending thousands to reduce the
    already minuscule drag in the water caused by turbulence around the
    eye sockets. In my book the money would be better spent on developing
    goggles you can actually see through. I have yet to find a pair of
    anti-mist goggles which stay anti-mist for more that two swims. The
    solution is obvious. The only thing which cured condensation on my
    windows at home was double glazing, so how long before double glazed
    goggles? The only drawback might be the number of phone calls you
    would get from people trying to sell them.

    Another tendency which increases with age is the frequency with which
    one gets overtaken in the pool. A useful accoutrement to help with
    this would be a rear view mirror, mounted on the shoulder, so you
    could move aside if the overtaker was a friend, or aim your kick if
    otherwise.

    As for these cow-teat drinking bottles swimmers all suck at, I am not
    impressed. They ruin a gin and tonic, and beer goes flat in them. So
    here's another marketing opportunity - a Portable Poolside Teasmade
    for during the swim, and an automatic pint of Guinness which pours
    itself and stands to settle five minutes before you get out. There
    must be a way.

    Another useful gizmo for the discerning swimmer would be a portable
    Corby trouser press. As many changing rooms suffer the vandalism of
    having all the pegs pulled off the wall, clothes often have to be
    stuffed in to lockers or left lying on benches. This is not a problem
    for youths as it generally improves the look of the sort of things
    they wear. It's not so welcome however if you are wearing a month's
    salary of suit, shoes etc., and you may be off to see a customer soon
    after. I have never seen a Corby trouser press anywhere except in
    hotel rooms. Strange that.

    Whilst in the changing room, a special mirror for senior swimmers
    would be a good idea. Many, like me, are the wide bodied type, but
    don't want to be reminded of it. Consequently it is common to see us
    in front of the mirrors twisting our torsos like Sharron Davies when
    there's a camera about, to try to look thinner. The slipped disks this
    leads to must surely be a drain on the economy. It would therefore
    save the National Health Service a fortune if they paid to have
    fairground mirrors installed in the changing rooms. The sort that make
    you look thin would be just the ticket.

    Going in to a business meeting with goggle marks can be off-putting to
    customers, so another accessory for the Business Swimmer could be
    false glasses to hide behind. Those who already wear spectacles are
    catered for, but for those who don't - just think! Not only could you
    hide your goggle marks, you could do imitations of Brains from
    Thunderbirds when the meeting began to get boring. If your goggle
    marks were particularly bad you could add a false nose and moustache
    to the glasses, and do a Groucho Marx.

    Of course many of these things could be made unnecessary if one could
    afford a butler to attend you when swimming. Alas that is beyond the
    purse of most mortals. It might not work anyway, after all, look at
    the young. They have better than a butler - they have a parent, and
    yet still they seem to need all that gear. That's the problem of
    getting old, I just don't understand.

    --
    Duncan Heenan
    (Speaking personally)

    -------------------------------------------------

    "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys.
    She did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I
    noticed that their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming
    over her head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry.
    When she put on the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the
    water. With her arm straight out, there was no extension under the
    water after her hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she
    put on her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in
    the water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of
    the water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her
    thumb was entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool
    toys that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just
    using this pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to
    wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    Pat in TX

  12. Count me in to purchase the automatic Stout dispenser. ๐Ÿ™‚

    -S-

    "Duncan Heenan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Any parent will know, to their cost (literally), that a young
    swimmer's street cred nowadays depends not on performance in the
    water, but on having the right collection of equipment to take to the
    pool. Clothes must all have the right logo, their other functions
    being of secondary importance. The rest of the stuff will be familiar.
    Several costumes (latest cut and logo of course), patent flannel,
    several towels, anti-chlorine shampoo, conditioner, skin care
    products, hair dryer, several sets of flippers -(oops sorry, fins),
    specially shaped pull buoy and kick board, several types of paddles,
    swim mitts, heart monitor, drinking bottles, stop watch, a dozen pairs
    of goggles and two dozen swimming hats. All this requires a huge bag,
    which must also carry the logo of the moment.

    I have noticed that swimming bags are inversely proportional in size
    to that of their owner. This whole trend of this equipment fetish is
    getting to the stage where I confidently predict that soon pools will
    become like a hypermarket in reverse, with shopping trolleys available
    in the car park for the swimmers to unload their clobber to carry it
    in to the changing room.

    I am not qualified to say whether all this stuff is really necessary,
    but it is the sine qua non of social acceptance of the young, and
    since I lost that status when the Dead Sea wasn't even ill, I'll not
    comment. I am reminded however of an a friend at college who decided
    to develop his puny physique by buying a Bullworker body-building
    machine. It gathered dust on display in the corner of his room for
    about 6 months at which point he wrote asking for his money back, on
    the grounds that owning it had done nothing for him. The reply he got
    was as dusty as the machine.

    What beats me is how the marketing gurus of the sports equipment
    companies can have missed the opportunities for selling specialist
    equipment to the more mature swimmer. I know from experience that
    beyond a certain age, comfort becomes more important than street cred
    or even speed, and this should be the guiding principle. For example,
    what is worse than getting in to a cold wet costume? Surely it is not
    beyond the whit of science to design a costume warmer which would
    deliver a warmly caressing garment to the nether regions. While
    swimming you could put your socks in there. There is no treat greater
    than hot socks, once you are over 40 that is.

    That made me think of the anti-verruca rubber socks you sometimes see
    in changing rooms. A wider market exists for lightweight wellingtons
    to get you through the foot bath without getting your feet cold and
    wet. Similarly a pack-down umbrella could be designed to keep those
    silly pool showers off you. Ordinary boots and umbrellas are not
    acceptable - I know as I've been asked to stop using mine.

    I see now that goggle designers are spending thousands to reduce the
    already minuscule drag in the water caused by turbulence around the
    eye sockets. In my book the money would be better spent on developing
    goggles you can actually see through. I have yet to find a pair of
    anti-mist goggles which stay anti-mist for more that two swims. The
    solution is obvious. The only thing which cured condensation on my
    windows at home was double glazing, so how long before double glazed
    goggles? The only drawback might be the number of phone calls you
    would get from people trying to sell them.

    Another tendency which increases with age is the frequency with which
    one gets overtaken in the pool. A useful accoutrement to help with
    this would be a rear view mirror, mounted on the shoulder, so you
    could move aside if the overtaker was a friend, or aim your kick if
    otherwise.

    As for these cow-teat drinking bottles swimmers all suck at, I am not
    impressed. They ruin a gin and tonic, and beer goes flat in them. So
    here's another marketing opportunity - a Portable Poolside Teasmade
    for during the swim, and an automatic pint of Guinness which pours
    itself and stands to settle five minutes before you get out. There
    must be a way.

    Another useful gizmo for the discerning swimmer would be a portable
    Corby trouser press. As many changing rooms suffer the vandalism of
    having all the pegs pulled off the wall, clothes often have to be
    stuffed in to lockers or left lying on benches. This is not a problem
    for youths as it generally improves the look of the sort of things
    they wear. It's not so welcome however if you are wearing a month's
    salary of suit, shoes etc., and you may be off to see a customer soon
    after. I have never seen a Corby trouser press anywhere except in
    hotel rooms. Strange that.

    Whilst in the changing room, a special mirror for senior swimmers
    would be a good idea. Many, like me, are the wide bodied type, but
    don't want to be reminded of it. Consequently it is common to see us
    in front of the mirrors twisting our torsos like Sharron Davies when
    there's a camera about, to try to look thinner. The slipped disks this
    leads to must surely be a drain on the economy. It would therefore
    save the National Health Service a fortune if they paid to have
    fairground mirrors installed in the changing rooms. The sort that make
    you look thin would be just the ticket.

    Going in to a business meeting with goggle marks can be off-putting to
    customers, so another accessory for the Business Swimmer could be
    false glasses to hide behind. Those who already wear spectacles are
    catered for, but for those who don't - just think! Not only could you
    hide your goggle marks, you could do imitations of Brains from
    Thunderbirds when the meeting began to get boring. If your goggle
    marks were particularly bad you could add a false nose and moustache
    to the glasses, and do a Groucho Marx.

    Of course many of these things could be made unnecessary if one could
    afford a butler to attend you when swimming. Alas that is beyond the
    purse of most mortals. It might not work anyway, after all, look at
    the young. They have better than a butler - they have a parent, and
    yet still they seem to need all that gear. That's the problem of
    getting old, I just don't understand.

    --
    Duncan Heenan
    (Speaking personally)

    -------------------------------------------------

    "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys.
    She did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I
    noticed that their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming
    over her head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry.
    When she put on the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the
    water. With her arm straight out, there was no extension under the
    water after her hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she
    put on her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in
    the water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of
    the water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her
    thumb was entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool
    toys that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just
    using this pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to
    wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    Pat in TX

  13. Count me in to purchase the automatic Stout dispenser. ๐Ÿ™‚

    -S-

    "Duncan Heenan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Any parent will know, to their cost (literally), that a young
    swimmer's street cred nowadays depends not on performance in the
    water, but on having the right collection of equipment to take to the
    pool. Clothes must all have the right logo, their other functions
    being of secondary importance. The rest of the stuff will be familiar.
    Several costumes (latest cut and logo of course), patent flannel,
    several towels, anti-chlorine shampoo, conditioner, skin care
    products, hair dryer, several sets of flippers -(oops sorry, fins),
    specially shaped pull buoy and kick board, several types of paddles,
    swim mitts, heart monitor, drinking bottles, stop watch, a dozen pairs
    of goggles and two dozen swimming hats. All this requires a huge bag,
    which must also carry the logo of the moment.

    I have noticed that swimming bags are inversely proportional in size
    to that of their owner. This whole trend of this equipment fetish is
    getting to the stage where I confidently predict that soon pools will
    become like a hypermarket in reverse, with shopping trolleys available
    in the car park for the swimmers to unload their clobber to carry it
    in to the changing room.

    I am not qualified to say whether all this stuff is really necessary,
    but it is the sine qua non of social acceptance of the young, and
    since I lost that status when the Dead Sea wasn't even ill, I'll not
    comment. I am reminded however of an a friend at college who decided
    to develop his puny physique by buying a Bullworker body-building
    machine. It gathered dust on display in the corner of his room for
    about 6 months at which point he wrote asking for his money back, on
    the grounds that owning it had done nothing for him. The reply he got
    was as dusty as the machine.

    What beats me is how the marketing gurus of the sports equipment
    companies can have missed the opportunities for selling specialist
    equipment to the more mature swimmer. I know from experience that
    beyond a certain age, comfort becomes more important than street cred
    or even speed, and this should be the guiding principle. For example,
    what is worse than getting in to a cold wet costume? Surely it is not
    beyond the whit of science to design a costume warmer which would
    deliver a warmly caressing garment to the nether regions. While
    swimming you could put your socks in there. There is no treat greater
    than hot socks, once you are over 40 that is.

    That made me think of the anti-verruca rubber socks you sometimes see
    in changing rooms. A wider market exists for lightweight wellingtons
    to get you through the foot bath without getting your feet cold and
    wet. Similarly a pack-down umbrella could be designed to keep those
    silly pool showers off you. Ordinary boots and umbrellas are not
    acceptable - I know as I've been asked to stop using mine.

    I see now that goggle designers are spending thousands to reduce the
    already minuscule drag in the water caused by turbulence around the
    eye sockets. In my book the money would be better spent on developing
    goggles you can actually see through. I have yet to find a pair of
    anti-mist goggles which stay anti-mist for more that two swims. The
    solution is obvious. The only thing which cured condensation on my
    windows at home was double glazing, so how long before double glazed
    goggles? The only drawback might be the number of phone calls you
    would get from people trying to sell them.

    Another tendency which increases with age is the frequency with which
    one gets overtaken in the pool. A useful accoutrement to help with
    this would be a rear view mirror, mounted on the shoulder, so you
    could move aside if the overtaker was a friend, or aim your kick if
    otherwise.

    As for these cow-teat drinking bottles swimmers all suck at, I am not
    impressed. They ruin a gin and tonic, and beer goes flat in them. So
    here's another marketing opportunity - a Portable Poolside Teasmade
    for during the swim, and an automatic pint of Guinness which pours
    itself and stands to settle five minutes before you get out. There
    must be a way.

    Another useful gizmo for the discerning swimmer would be a portable
    Corby trouser press. As many changing rooms suffer the vandalism of
    having all the pegs pulled off the wall, clothes often have to be
    stuffed in to lockers or left lying on benches. This is not a problem
    for youths as it generally improves the look of the sort of things
    they wear. It's not so welcome however if you are wearing a month's
    salary of suit, shoes etc., and you may be off to see a customer soon
    after. I have never seen a Corby trouser press anywhere except in
    hotel rooms. Strange that.

    Whilst in the changing room, a special mirror for senior swimmers
    would be a good idea. Many, like me, are the wide bodied type, but
    don't want to be reminded of it. Consequently it is common to see us
    in front of the mirrors twisting our torsos like Sharron Davies when
    there's a camera about, to try to look thinner. The slipped disks this
    leads to must surely be a drain on the economy. It would therefore
    save the National Health Service a fortune if they paid to have
    fairground mirrors installed in the changing rooms. The sort that make
    you look thin would be just the ticket.

    Going in to a business meeting with goggle marks can be off-putting to
    customers, so another accessory for the Business Swimmer could be
    false glasses to hide behind. Those who already wear spectacles are
    catered for, but for those who don't - just think! Not only could you
    hide your goggle marks, you could do imitations of Brains from
    Thunderbirds when the meeting began to get boring. If your goggle
    marks were particularly bad you could add a false nose and moustache
    to the glasses, and do a Groucho Marx.

    Of course many of these things could be made unnecessary if one could
    afford a butler to attend you when swimming. Alas that is beyond the
    purse of most mortals. It might not work anyway, after all, look at
    the young. They have better than a butler - they have a parent, and
    yet still they seem to need all that gear. That's the problem of
    getting old, I just don't understand.

    --
    Duncan Heenan
    (Speaking personally)

    -------------------------------------------------

    "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys.
    She did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I
    noticed that their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming
    over her head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry.
    When she put on the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the
    water. With her arm straight out, there was no extension under the
    water after her hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she
    put on her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in
    the water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of
    the water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her
    thumb was entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool
    toys that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just
    using this pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to
    wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    Pat in TX

  14. Pat said:

    Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys. She
    did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I noticed that
    their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming over her
    head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry. When she put on
    the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the water. With her arm
    straight out, there was no extension under the water after her hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she put on
    her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in the
    water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of the
    water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her thumb was
    entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool toys
    that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just using this
    pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    Pat in TX

    Using aids requires that you know what you are using the for. Just
    putting an aid and stroking w/o using it for the appropriate need is a
    waste. Aids can improve a feature or make something worse. Take hand
    paddles for example, they can work on forcing a good pull all the way
    back and increasing resistance. B and giving you a good workout to
    your lats. But that requires that you position the hands properly
    during the pull and that you also do an appropriate recovery and
    glide. Otherwise, they are useless. I rarely swim with aids, but when
    I swim, my speed improves considerably because aids will enhance a
    particular feature of the stroke. I often swim distance with nothing
    on. There are often people swimming next to me with finds or
    handpadles that move way slower than me. With those aids used properly
    they should be flying by me.

    Andres

  15. Pat said:

    Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys. She
    did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I noticed that
    their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming over her
    head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry. When she put on
    the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the water. With her arm
    straight out, there was no extension under the water after her hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she put on
    her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in the
    water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of the
    water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her thumb was
    entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool toys
    that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just using this
    pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    Pat in TX

    Using aids requires that you know what you are using the for. Just
    putting an aid and stroking w/o using it for the appropriate need is a
    waste. Aids can improve a feature or make something worse. Take hand
    paddles for example, they can work on forcing a good pull all the way
    back and increasing resistance. B and giving you a good workout to
    your lats. But that requires that you position the hands properly
    during the pull and that you also do an appropriate recovery and
    glide. Otherwise, they are useless. I rarely swim with aids, but when
    I swim, my speed improves considerably because aids will enhance a
    particular feature of the stroke. I often swim distance with nothing
    on. There are often people swimming next to me with finds or
    handpadles that move way slower than me. With those aids used properly
    they should be flying by me.

    Andres

  16. Pat said:

    Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys. She
    did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I noticed that
    their use seemed to dictate her stroke.

    For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming over her
    head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry. When she put on
    the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the water. With her arm
    straight out, there was no extension under the water after her hand entered.

    Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she put on
    her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly.

    She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in the
    water when she breathed.

    So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of the
    water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the
    arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her thumb was
    entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat.

    It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool toys
    that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just using this
    pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to wonder.

    Is she doing it right?

    Pat in TX

    Using aids requires that you know what you are using the for. Just
    putting an aid and stroking w/o using it for the appropriate need is a
    waste. Aids can improve a feature or make something worse. Take hand
    paddles for example, they can work on forcing a good pull all the way
    back and increasing resistance. B and giving you a good workout to
    your lats. But that requires that you position the hands properly
    during the pull and that you also do an appropriate recovery and
    glide. Otherwise, they are useless. I rarely swim with aids, but when
    I swim, my speed improves considerably because aids will enhance a
    particular feature of the stroke. I often swim distance with nothing
    on. There are often people swimming next to me with finds or
    handpadles that move way slower than me. With those aids used properly
    they should be flying by me.

    Andres


  17. Quoted message said:


    Using aids requires that you know what you are using the for. Just
    putting an aid and stroking w/o using it for the appropriate need is a
    waste. Aids can improve a feature or make something worse. Take hand
    paddles for example, they can work on forcing a good pull all the way
    back and increasing resistance. B and giving you a good workout to
    your lats. But that requires that you position the hands properly
    during the pull and that you also do an appropriate recovery and
    glide. Otherwise, they are useless. I rarely swim with aids, but when
    I swim, my speed improves considerably because aids will enhance a
    particular feature of the stroke. I often swim distance with nothing
    on. There are often people swimming next to me with finds or
    handpadles that move way slower than me. With those aids used properly
    they should be flying by me.

    Andres

    Funny you should mention "good pull all the way back" because lately I have
    been seeing several swimmers (all men) who abruptly bend their elbows and
    stop their pull when the hand reaches the nipple area. That is, they only
    pull until their hands get to the nipple and then they bend the elbow and
    lift the arm back up out of the water. Was this taught at one time? It looks
    like a jerky motion to me.

    Pat in TX

    Quoted message said:

  18. Quoted message said:


    Using aids requires that you know what you are using the for. Just
    putting an aid and stroking w/o using it for the appropriate need is a
    waste. Aids can improve a feature or make something worse. Take hand
    paddles for example, they can work on forcing a good pull all the way
    back and increasing resistance. B and giving you a good workout to
    your lats. But that requires that you position the hands properly
    during the pull and that you also do an appropriate recovery and
    glide. Otherwise, they are useless. I rarely swim with aids, but when
    I swim, my speed improves considerably because aids will enhance a
    particular feature of the stroke. I often swim distance with nothing
    on. There are often people swimming next to me with finds or
    handpadles that move way slower than me. With those aids used properly
    they should be flying by me.

    Andres

    Funny you should mention "good pull all the way back" because lately I have
    been seeing several swimmers (all men) who abruptly bend their elbows and
    stop their pull when the hand reaches the nipple area. That is, they only
    pull until their hands get to the nipple and then they bend the elbow and
    lift the arm back up out of the water. Was this taught at one time? It looks
    like a jerky motion to me.

    Pat in TX

    Quoted message said:

  19. Quoted message said:


    Using aids requires that you know what you are using the for. Just
    putting an aid and stroking w/o using it for the appropriate need is a
    waste. Aids can improve a feature or make something worse. Take hand
    paddles for example, they can work on forcing a good pull all the way
    back and increasing resistance. B and giving you a good workout to
    your lats. But that requires that you position the hands properly
    during the pull and that you also do an appropriate recovery and
    glide. Otherwise, they are useless. I rarely swim with aids, but when
    I swim, my speed improves considerably because aids will enhance a
    particular feature of the stroke. I often swim distance with nothing
    on. There are often people swimming next to me with finds or
    handpadles that move way slower than me. With those aids used properly
    they should be flying by me.

    Andres

    Funny you should mention "good pull all the way back" because lately I have
    been seeing several swimmers (all men) who abruptly bend their elbows and
    stop their pull when the hand reaches the nipple area. That is, they only
    pull until their hands get to the nipple and then they bend the elbow and
    lift the arm back up out of the water. Was this taught at one time? It looks
    like a jerky motion to me.

    Pat in TX

    Quoted message said:
  20. Pat said:
    Quoted message said:

    Using aids requires that you know what you are using the for. Just
    putting an aid and stroking w/o using it for the appropriate need is a
    waste. Aids can improve a feature or make something worse. Take hand
    paddles for example, they can work on forcing a good pull all the way
    back and increasing resistance. B and giving you a good workout to
    your lats. But that requires that you position the hands properly
    during the pull and that you also do an appropriate recovery and
    glide. Otherwise, they are useless. I rarely swim with aids, but when
    I swim, my speed improves considerably because aids will enhance a
    particular feature of the stroke. I often swim distance with nothing
    on. There are often people swimming next to me with finds or
    handpadles that move way slower than me. With those aids used properly
    they should be flying by me.

    Quoted message said:

    Andres

    Funny you should mention "good pull all the way back" because lately I have
    been seeing several swimmers (all men) who abruptly bend their elbows and
    stop their pull when the hand reaches the nipple area. That is, they only
    pull until their hands get to the nipple and then they bend the elbow and
    lift the arm back up out of the water. Was this taught at one time? It looks
    like a jerky motion to me.

    Pat in TX

    I doubt that it was ever taught. Your hand should keep pulling water
    all the way to your hip. The further back you pull, the more that you
    bend your wrist to keep the hand facing backwards. There are paddles
    designed to force the hand to face back and keep pulling water back.
    The only hold the hand from the middle finger and the wrist. So they
    are rather loose fitting. When you pull, the water keeps the paddles
    pressing against your hand. If you stop pulling before the paddle
    comes out of the water, there is not enough pressure to keep the
    paddle stuck to your hand so you have to hold it with your thumb and
    pinky. otherwise it feels sort of loose. The paddles force you to keep
    pulling all the way back and keep your palms facing backwards until
    the hand exits the water. They are good paddles because they give you
    a good feel for the water. Now there are some very large paddles that
    give you great feel for the water because they have very large surface
    area. They kick your ass though. they feel like lifting weights.
    However, you have to get the glide and pull right. Otherwise, they are
    useless. the same thing goes for fins. If you bend your knees too much
    and bang the surface of the water with the fin, there is not much use
    in that. On the other hand, if you use the fin to displace water and
    propel your forward, you get a great feel for the kick, but they
    should also kick your butt.

    Andres

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