Winter Running

Just something to think about. Eskimos until recently were all born naked in igloos. Really.
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First seasonal running in tights, knit cap & gloves was this week. I'm

making

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an effort in running w/elbows adjacent to ribs, fist balled (for warmpth)

close

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to my chest and having as little movement as possible w/my fist. As much

as

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possible I'm trying to keep my fist movement-free...all in efforts of

having

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available energy on by lower body. Spring, Summer, Fall running I

normally

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like to dangle my hands on the sides of my hips free (but constrained) and open.

Tomorrow I'll be running in the low to mid 30s (F). Winter running can be lonely on the routine
jogging/running paths/roads. It's dark

early....it's

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cold. I see a very small fraction of the normal amount of runners I'd normally see on a July night
at the same time as I do now. 20's, 10's

and

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single digits will be here soon. People think I'm crazy....little do they

know

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I know you runners that live in Canada and the like that somehow manage

this

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passion of ours when it's well in the the negatives. One of the nastiest things I've seen in life
was at the end of the 10 Mile race I did last

year at

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degrees and look at the faces of runners with frozen saliva on the side

of

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their mouths and nostrils. Yuk!

One thing though that keeps me going in the Winter is knowing it's an opportunity to gain ground
in a racing context in your local circuit as a

lot

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of people take Winter off. I suppose the ng Teresa's in Arizona can't

relate

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to Winter running. Just reflecting on Winter running as I felt it for

the

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first time today in all its bluster. Dot should be able to chime in well

in

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Winter running being the Alaskan that he is.

(Globaldisc) said:

First seasonal running in tights,

I'll bet you were sooooo cute too!

Hello,

I've been walking/jogging in upstate NY for the past couple of months and have done a couple of
workouts in fairly rough conditions already. Yesterday I did 60 minutes at 30 degrees with an inch
of snow already on the ground while it was snowing in a 25-30 MPH wind. When going into the wind the
snow which was damp really stung my face.

I'm planning to walk/jog this winter in everthing but the most bitter weather conditions. I'm
searching for a treadmill to use when the conditions are too tough like a couple of feet of snow
or whatever.

The lonely part of it (not very many people out) is one of the benefits to
me. I enjoy the solitude. It's also kind of neat to know that you're doing something that most
people can't or won't do. I feel great every time I complete a workout in extreme conditions.

Good luck with your winter running efforts :-).

Doug Gilliam

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First seasonal running in tights, knit cap & gloves was this week. I'm

making

Quoted message said:

an effort in running w/elbows adjacent to ribs, fist balled (for warmpth)

close

Quoted message said:

to my chest and having as little movement as possible w/my fist. As much

as

Quoted message said:

possible I'm trying to keep my fist movement-free...all in efforts of

having

Quoted message said:

available energy on by lower body. Spring, Summer, Fall running I

normally

Quoted message said:

like to dangle my hands on the sides of my hips free (but constrained) and open.

Tomorrow I'll be running in the low to mid 30s (F). Winter running can be lonely on the routine
jogging/running paths/roads. It's dark

early....it's

Quoted message said:

cold. I see a very small fraction of the normal amount of runners I'd normally see on a July night
at the same time as I do now. 20's, 10's

and

Quoted message said:

single digits will be here soon. People think I'm crazy....little do they

know

Quoted message said:

I know you runners that live in Canada and the like that somehow manage

this

Quoted message said:

passion of ours when it's well in the the negatives. One of the nastiest

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things I've seen in life was at the end of the 10 Mile race I did last

year at

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degrees and look at the faces of runners with frozen saliva on the side

of

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their mouths and nostrils. Yuk!

One thing though that keeps me going in the Winter is knowing it's an opportunity to gain ground
in a racing context in your local circuit as a

lot

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of people take Winter off. I suppose the ng Teresa's in Arizona can't

relate

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to Winter running. Just reflecting on Winter running as I felt it for

the

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first time today in all its bluster. Dot should be able to chime in well

in

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Winter running being the Alaskan that he is.

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First seasonal running in tights, knit cap & gloves was this week. I'm making an effort in running
w/elbows adjacent to ribs, fist balled (for warmpth) close to my chest and having as little
movement as possible w/my fist. As much as possible I'm trying to keep my fist movement-free...all
in efforts of having available energy on by lower body. Spring, Summer, Fall running I normally
like to dangle my hands on the sides of my hips free (but constrained) and open.

Been bringing out the winter clothes too -- ran in the park today. It was quite warm, but I'd rather
bring warm clothes than risk being trapped under conditions colder than anticipated for training
runs. Tights, gloves, the obnoxious GNY jacket and a light tee.

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Tomorrow I'll be running in the low to mid 30s (F). Winter running can be lonely on the routine
jogging/running paths/roads. It's dark early....it's cold. I see a very small fraction of the
normal amount of runners I'd normally see on a July night at the same time as I do now. 20's,
10's and

I actually like this aspect of it.

If you go there on Tuesday and Thursday nights around 7:00 PM, you'll see the NYRR and CPTC training
groups (and maybe Bob Glover and Alan Ruben) taking on the elements.

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One thing though that keeps me going in the Winter is knowing it's an opportunity to gain ground
in a racing context in your local circuit as a lot of people take Winter off. I suppose the ng
Teresa's in Arizona can't relate to Winter running. Just reflecting on Winter running as I felt it
for the first time today in all its bluster. Dot should be able to chime in well in Winter running
being the Alaskan that he is.

Whenever I think it's too cold, I think of the conditions Dot runs in, and kick myself for even
daring to think that it's "cold" (-;

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

Living up here in Alaska, you just get use to running in 10F with snow, just dress in layers and
enjoy the weather.

"Globaldisc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

First seasonal running in tights, knit cap & gloves was this week. I'm

making

Quoted message said:

an effort in running w/elbows adjacent to ribs, fist balled (for warmpth)

close

Quoted message said:

to my chest and having as little movement as possible w/my fist. As much

as

Quoted message said:

possible I'm trying to keep my fist movement-free...all in efforts of

having

Quoted message said:

available energy on by lower body. Spring, Summer, Fall running I

normally

Quoted message said:

like to dangle my hands on the sides of my hips free (but constrained) and open.

Tomorrow I'll be running in the low to mid 30s (F). Winter running can be lonely on the routine
jogging/running paths/roads. It's dark

early....it's

Quoted message said:

cold. I see a very small fraction of the normal amount of runners I'd normally see on a July night
at the same time as I do now. 20's, 10's

and

Quoted message said:

single digits will be here soon. People think I'm crazy....little do they

know

Quoted message said:

I know you runners that live in Canada and the like that somehow manage

this

Quoted message said:

passion of ours when it's well in the the negatives. One of the nastiest things I've seen in life
was at the end of the 10 Mile race I did last

year at

Quoted message said:

degrees and look at the faces of runners with frozen saliva on the side

of

Quoted message said:

their mouths and nostrils. Yuk!

One thing though that keeps me going in the Winter is knowing it's an opportunity to gain ground
in a racing context in your local circuit as a

lot

Quoted message said:

of people take Winter off. I suppose the ng Teresa's in Arizona can't

relate

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to Winter running. Just reflecting on Winter running as I felt it for

the

Quoted message said:

first time today in all its bluster. Dot should be able to chime in well

in

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Winter running being the Alaskan that he is.

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First seasonal running in tights, knit cap & gloves was this week. I'm making an effort in running
w/elbows adjacent to ribs, fist balled (for warmpth) close to my chest and having as little
movement as possible w/my fist. As much as possible I'm trying to keep my fist movement-free...all
in efforts of having available energy on by lower body. Spring, Summer, Fall running I normally
like to dangle my hands on the sides of my hips free (but constrained) and open.

Frankly, I´ve never had the idea that I should make any adjustments at all to my arm movements, and
I don´t see any point in doing so - wear an extra layer, windtight where it´s highly desirable,
under your tights instead; bad habits can be a nuisance to get rid of!

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One thing though that keeps me going in the Winter is knowing it's an opportunity to gain ground
in a racing context in your local circuit as a lot of people take Winter off.

What?! I hoped to read that the thing that kept you going was Boston, not the idea of some cheap
small victories that will be long forgotten when crocuses bloom!

You have, what, 20 weeks? Shouldn´t you be already content yourself with the knowledge that
you´relaying the foundation on which to build a decent 16- or 12-week marathon training program
which will take you to April 19th?

Or do you intend to continue as usual for as long as possible before embarking on a shorter program?

Anders

Globaldisc said:

First seasonal running in tights, knit cap & gloves was this week. I'm making an effort in running
w/elbows adjacent to ribs, fist balled (for warmpth) close to my chest and having as little
movement as possible w/my fist.

I know gloves is a generic term but I moved to mittens many years ago for warmth. I can keep my
hands cupped and my fingers share the heat. Learned the value of mittens 30+ years ago in Alaska.

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One thing though that keeps me going in the Winter is knowing it's an opportunity to gain ground
in a racing context in your local circuit as a lot of people take Winter off.

My winter goal is to go back to nothing but base/power long runs through Feb. I have a few spring
races to prepare for. I don't even consider speed a variable although I get a big bang for the buck
off just distance.

Off for my morning run in a delightful 40 degrees.

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

Why is it that you mouth breathers are always surprised when the seasons change? Put on a
sweatshirt, and move on, Nancy.

Pier-14 said:

Just something to think about. Eskimos until recently were all born naked in igloos. Really.

Oh wow! I thought they were born in hospitals!

Donovan Rebbechi said:

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Tomorrow I'll be running in the low to mid 30s (F).

Going to open the windows and put on the fan while you treadmill jog?

mark strabel said:

Living up here in Alaska, you just get use to running in 10F with snow, just dress in layers and
enjoy the weather.

Amen! This week's weather has been awesome, esp. after last year's lack of winter. And to have a
4-day weekend to enjoy it in daylight! I'm still grinning from all the skiing and snowshoeing on
high quality snow although I was reduced to road running for actual running - snow on trails was too
deep - even with snowshoes 🙂 And the balmy +10F today was pretty nice.

Dot praying that it doesn't rain until late March or April (or sometime *after* snow melts)

--
"Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

Anders Lustig said:

wear an extra layer, windtight where it´s highly desirable, under your tights instead;

Under? I have thin tights that handle most conditions and a heavy pair for those zero and less days.
If my heavy pair weren't clean I wore the light weight tights with a pair of thin plastic wind
breaker pants same effect.

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

Globaldisc said:

First seasonal running in tights, knit cap & gloves was this week. I'm making an effort in running
w/elbows adjacent to ribs, fist balled (for warmpth) close to my chest and having as little
movement as possible w/my fist. As much as possible I'm trying to keep my fist movement-free...all
in efforts of having available energy on by lower body. Spring, Summer, Fall running I normally
like to dangle my hands on the sides of my hips free (but constrained) and open.

Gloves too high-tech, Andrew? 🙂

You New Yorkers...

-Dave

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not accept unsolicited email. Do not mail me.

No no no... most of us in Canada are still born 'naked in igloos'. One of those little tradeoffs for
having public healthcare.

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Just something to think about. Eskimos until recently were all born naked in igloos. Really.

Oh wow! I thought they were born in hospitals!

--
David Nova Scotia, Canada

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Donovan Rebbechi said:

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Tomorrow I'll be running in the low to mid 30s (F).

Going to open the windows and put on the fan while you treadmill jog?

<Yawn> Look, if you don't come up with better material soon, I'm going to throw another rotten egg.
Look, I posted those jpegs-- surely, you can come up with some good material based on those.

Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

Doug Freese said:

Under? I have thin tights that handle most conditions

We aren't talking gay bar wardrobe.

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wear an extra layer, windtight where it´s highly desirable, under your tights instead;

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Under? I have thin tights that handle most conditions and a heavy pair for those zero and less
days. If my heavy pair weren't clean I wore the light weight tights with a pair of thin plastic
wind breaker pants same effect.

It doesn´t greatly matter whether it´s the inner or the outer layer that is windproof. For some
reason we Nordics seem to prefer windproof underpants; I´ve been superhappy with my Brynje
Super-Thermo hipster "windpants" brynje.noprodukter eng.aspOpen ↗

A whole different issue is that loose wind breaker pants could deprieve a runner of the opportunity
to flaunt his muscles, wreck his self-image or interfere with the skin- tight feel which is the very
reason why some runners prefer tights over "cumbersome" pants:-)

Anders

Donovan Rebbechi said:

<Yawn> Look, if you don't come up with better material soon, I'm going to throw another rotten egg.
Look, I posted those jpegs-- surely, you can come up with some good material based on those.

PLEASE! I could NEVER invent anything as goofy or as offensive as those pics. I printed them out,
one lines my toilet bowl so I can [censored] in your mouth 2 or 3x a day. And the other is our new
dartboard. Thanks again for those pics, it only proves the old saying that truth is stranger than
anything I could possibly make up.

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Just something to think about. Eskimos until recently were all born naked in igloos. Really.

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Oh wow! I thought they were born in hospitals!

"David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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No no no... most of us in Canada are still born 'naked in igloos'. One of those little tradeoffs
for having public healthcare.

hahahahaha 🙂 *claps hands*

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David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org