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Re: Slagging off cyclists article.

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  1. "JNugent" wrote in message news:...

    Quoted message said:

    Obviously, your use of "unsubstantiated" may well mean no more than
    that the phenomenon has not (yet) been the subject of scientific
    enquiry and a learned thesis.

    The assertions in the article can rightly be called unsubstantiated
    because they claim to tell us how all cyclists
    "feel". Apparently we are self-righteous, have a deep-seated sense of
    injustice, feel smug and superior, but constantly humiliated by the
    knowledge of their acute vulnerability, we turn into complete nutters,
    gripped by a desire for vengeance on a world that has wronged us so cruelly.

    As a (presumably) none-cyclist how on earth can Mr Tomkins know how a
    disparate group people of "feel"? I personally don't recognise any of
    these emotions in myself, and wouldn't presume to speak for anyone else.
    I tend generally to feel pretty happy when I'm cycling, even in traffic,
    and only get angry when my personal safety is threatened by the
    inattention of others.

    Simon

  2. Simon Geller said:

    "JNugent" wrote in message news:...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Obviously, your use of "unsubstantiated" may well mean no more than
    that the phenomenon has not (yet) been the subject of scientific
    enquiry and a learned thesis.

    Quoted message said:

    The assertions in the article can rightly be called unsubstantiated
    because they claim to tell us how all cyclists
    "feel". Apparently we are self-righteous, have a deep-seated sense of
    injustice, feel smug and superior, but constantly humiliated by the
    knowledge of their acute vulnerability, we turn into complete nutters,
    gripped by a desire for vengeance on a world that has wronged us so
    cruelly.

    You are right to point that out. And I dare say that the author would
    agree with you like a shot.

    But does it matter? The article was clearly a humorous - and
    well-aimed - piece, with the bare undeniable facts (the observed
    behaviour) fleshed out with a proffered explanation for some of it.
    Whether it is right or wrong is something that no-one is ever going to
    be able to prove either way.

    Quoted message said:

    As a (presumably) none-cyclist how on earth can Mr Tomkins know how a
    disparate group people of "feel"?

    He can't.

    That does NOT mean that he cannot write a humorous column piece about it.

    Blimey, just cast your mind back to the 1980s, and to the way in which
    Grauniad journos used to do exactly the same sort of thing to members
    of the government all the time, as did the hacks who "wrote" for the
    Mirror. I bet you were leaping up and down with indignation, eh? Or
    something.

    Quoted message said:

    I personally don't recognise any of
    these emotions in myself, and wouldn't presume to speak for anyone else.

    That's fine. But please, don't run away with the idea that bland
    denials would ever be enough to assuage the suspicions of others,
    though. Like it or not, everyone tries to rationalise the behaviour of
    others, if for no better reason than to decide how to live with it.

    Quoted message said:

    I tend generally to feel pretty happy when I'm cycling, even in traffic,
    and only get angry when my personal safety is threatened by the
    inattention of others.

    There is much to be angry about on the roads these days, for all
    road-users.

  3. JNugent said:

    There is much to be angry about on the roads these days, for all
    road-users.

    Your experience evidently differs from mine, because most of my
    experience of using the roads lately has been very positive. A few
    incidents here and there where people have been less considerate than I
    would have liked, but in a city with the traffic density of London
    that's scarcely surprising.

    That said, my vicarious experience (being stuck behind a computer having
    discussions about road use) has on the whole been more frustrating. I
    wonder if the people getting wound up about it (and, it appears, going
    off to write newspaper articles etc as a result) are for the most part
    similarly frustrated at not getting anywhere fast, and really should
    consider letting off some steam by going out for a good ride.

    -dan

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