Trailer decision help needed!

In message <[email hidden]>, Becka Currant
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After booking our holiday to France (yippee!) thoughts have now turned to how we will transport
baby Becka whilst cycling. When we go at the beginning of Sept the child will be about 5 1/2 months
old. We're going to the Pyrenees (and get to see a couple of stages of the Vuelta, double yippee!).

I really, really like the look of these:

twoplustwo.uk.comindex.htmlOpen ↗

Which ones?

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even if they are blinking expensive. Main pluses at the moment are that it can be converted into a
pushchair so we don't need to take a separate system with us, we can ensure the child is safe by
putting in the car seat and it should hopefully have a good long lifespan before baby Becka can go
onto a trailer bike. The only downside I can see is that Neil is going to have to work *very* hard
with all the added weight!! (It might even mean I get to ride his Scott and he has to make do with
my Dawes ;¬)

Anyway, I'm after your opinions. If you've got one, how good is it. Are there alternatives that
aren't quite as pricey (if so what!) but still as good.

I have a Chariot Cabriolet, it's not cheap but IMO worth the money (about a years car insurance for
our Ford Mondeo........). The construction and attention to details is good. There are the odd
niggles of course, because no trailer has exactly the combination of features you want, but nothing
to write home about.

I don't actually use the jogger/push chair conversion, but bear in mind it will be rather bulkier
than a normal single pushchair. For off the bike transport for baby a sling would be useful as well.
We use a Huggababy - well not so much now, but in the first year we used it loads. You can stuff it
in the trailer and then pop baby Becka in when you go shopping et. or wherever the trailer would be
difficult to push as a buggy. - whatever I recommend getting one.

<http://www.huggababy.co.uk/>

Choosing a trailer was difficult, to much choice. some where easy, they were even more expensive, or
didn't fold down enough. but that still left plenty of competition.

I liked the ease of folding -very quick, the flexibility of weathercovers/shading, and the general
feel of the thing. I never carried a baby seat in it, but shouldn't be a problem.

I also went for the Weber coupling, which is an extra cost, but also IMO worth it if you sue the
trailer a lot., though the 2002 models of the Chariots have some different coupling system anyway,
but it predated ours, so don't know much about that.( For me an attraction of the Weber was that the
standard coupling would have been harder (maybe impossible) to sue with a rear hub brake)

It can be hard to get and see different trailers in the flesh, if you want to see ours you are
welcome to come over and have a look.

Have to say that ours hasn't got out of Yorkshire yet, but have more plans for this year. Main
prerequisites for the towing bike are good low gears (esp in the Pyrenees......) and good brakes for
coming down, speed isn't an issue, but feeling confident on the bike when towing is.
--
Chris French, Leeds

I have a burley, and the key features on a trailer as I see it are: frame surrounds the wheels so If
you hit a bollard or a tree it cannot get between the wheel and the trailer and have you off. I like
the look of the Chauffeur CTS on twoplustwo.uk.comindex.htmOpen ↗.

In article said:

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I really, really like the look of these:

twoplustwo.uk.comindex.htmlOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

Which ones?

Good point! I guess either of the two cheaper models (cabriolet or chauffer).

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I have a Chariot Cabriolet, it's not cheap but IMO worth the money (about a years car insurance for
our Ford Mondeo........). The construction and attention to details is good. There are the odd
niggles of course, because no trailer has exactly the combination of features you want, but nothing
to write home about.

Excellent, thanks for the feedback.

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I don't actually use the jogger/push chair conversion, but bear in mind it will be rather bulkier
than a normal single pushchair. For off the bike transport for baby a sling would be useful as
well. We use a Huggababy - well not so much now, but in the first year we used it loads. You can
stuff it in the trailer and then pop baby Becka in when you go shopping et. or wherever the trailer
would be difficult to push as a buggy. - whatever I recommend getting one.

Originally when we booked the holiday we didn't think we'd even be able to get the pushchair bit of
the travel system into the car and would therefore be totally relying on a sling to transport the
baby around. I've got a second hand wilkinet coming to see if I like it but a lot of that will have
to wait until the baby is born and we see what we/it likes. The flexibility of being able to convert
the trailer would give us the option of being able to push baby round if/when we need to and also
give us somewhere to stuff our kit if we've cycled to do some sighseeing (i.e. going into Lourdes
etc) and don't want to leave everything unattended.

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Choosing a trailer was difficult, to much choice. some where easy, they were even more expensive,
or didn't fold down enough. but that still left plenty of competition.

Tell me about it!

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I liked the ease of folding -very quick, the flexibility of weathercovers/shading, and the general
feel of the thing. I never carried a baby seat in it, but shouldn't be a problem.

I also went for the Weber coupling, which is an extra cost, but also IMO worth it if you sue the
trailer a lot., though the 2002 models of the Chariots have some different coupling system anyway,
but it predated ours, so don't know much about that.( For me an attraction of the Weber was that
the standard coupling would have been harder (maybe impossible) to sue with a rear hub brake)

Thanks, I'll pass that onto the technical director so he can factor that into our decision!

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It can be hard to get and see different trailers in the flesh, if you want to see ours you are
welcome to come over and have a look.

That would be fab, thank you. I'll leave taking you up on your offer until the baby has arrived but
really appreciate it.

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Have to say that ours hasn't got out of Yorkshire yet, but have more plans for this year. Main
prerequisites for the towing bike are good low gears (esp in the Pyrenees......) and good brakes
for coming down, speed isn't an issue, but feeling confident on the bike when towing is.

Cool. That means I *definitely* get to ride the Scott then :¬)

Thanks for your help

Becka

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Becka Currant All views are my own blah blah blah "From now on we're going to have a little less
ritual and a little more fun around here". Spike in Buffy

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(PRIORPARK17) said:

I have a burley, and the key features on a trailer as I see it are: frame surrounds the wheels so
If you hit a bollard or a tree it cannot get between the wheel and the trailer and have you off. I
like the look of the Chauffeur CTS on twoplustwo.uk.comindex.htmOpen ↗.

Thanks, and a very good point about the frame surrounds. I'll have a look at the burleys.

becka

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Becka Currant All views are my own blah blah blah "From now on we're going to have a little less
ritual and a little more fun around here". Spike in Buffy

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]

(PRIORPARK17) said:

<<I've got a second hand wilkinet coming>>

Get in training wilkinet.co.ukVideos.aspOpen ↗

cool :¬)

They've just sent me a .pdf of the instructions too!!

Becka

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Becka Currant All views are my own blah blah blah "From now on we're going to have a little less
ritual and a little more fun around here". Spike in Buffy

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(wafflycathcsdirtycatlitter) said:

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cool :¬)

They've just sent me a .pdf of the instructions too!!

Becka

When Nathan was wee - I carried him everywhere in a front loaded baby sling. Wouldn't fancy trying
to get him in one of those now - he's taller than his Dad ;-)

LOL!! No, and would/could also be a tad kinky too!!!!!!

becka (rapidly donning flame suit...)

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ritual and a little more fun around here". Spike in Buffy

Becka Currant deftly scribbled ;

Quoted message said:

After booking our holiday to France (yippee!) thoughts have now turned to how we will transport
baby Becka whilst cycling. When we go at the beginning of Sept the child will be about 5 1/2
months old. We're going to the Pyrenees (and get to see a couple of stages of the Vuelta, double
yippee!).

I really, really like the look of these:

twoplustwo.uk.comindex.htmlOpen ↗

even if they are blinking expensive. Main pluses at the moment are that it can be converted into a
pushchair so we don't need to take a separate system with us, we can ensure the child is safe by
putting in the car seat and it should hopefully have a good long lifespan before baby Becka can go
onto a trailer bike. The only downside I can see is that Neil is going to have to work *very* hard
with all the added weight!! (It might even mean I get to ride his Scott and he has to make do with
my Dawes ;¬)

Anyway, I'm after your opinions. If you've got one, how good is it. Are there alternatives that
aren't quite as pricey (if so what!) but still as good.

Thanks :¬)

Becka

Decathlon (Giltbrook, near Nottingham, just round the corner from my house) had some cycle trailers
in. French (obviously) made, but cheap and looking very similar to the pages you posted. ISTR about
£200 ish .. though may be waaay wrong on the price.

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[email hidden] (Becka Currant) wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

After booking our holiday to France (yippee!) thoughts have now turned to how we will transport
baby Becka whilst cycling. When we go at the beginning of Sept the child will be about 5 1/2
months old. We're going to the Pyrenees (and get to see a couple of stages of the Vuelta, double
yippee!).

I really, really like the look of these:

twoplustwo.uk.comindex.htmlOpen ↗

Of those, I think the Ritschie 2 is the best. It was supposed to be available with "auflaufbremsen"
(run-out brakes, or Pomme-de-terre au Gratin brakes?) which stop the trailer overtaking the tractor
unit (that's you), but they don't seem to be available yet. Seems like a good idea though, but I've
not had a problem and I do a lot of ups and downs.

Me, I've a Leggero Classico (Swiss), which is pretty good, see:
twoplustwo.uk.comleg class.htmlOpen ↗ It has a solid aluminium hull, and a very
sturdy tubular frame. I have a safety-roof on order (hasn't come yet) that should help the roll-over
protection. It's been very good in daily use since last June (2 kids to creche & back, c. 10 miles a
day, and 200m climbs). The Becco elastomer hitch works well, and hasn't been damaged by the bike
keeling over a few times, or serious honking up the hills (which destroyed the hitch - a Hebie F2 -
on a previous trailer. I used a Weber babyseat in it for the youngest, from 3 months to 6 months,
which also worked well - no complaints from the passengers.

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The only downside I can see is that Neil is going to have to work *very* hard with all the added
weight!! (It might even mean I get to ride his Scott and he has to make do with my Dawes ;¬)

You get used to it pretty quickly, and on the flat, it's hardly noticable.

In general, I'm convinced that the trailer is a pretty safe option, it stands out in traffic (I've
good lights on it at night), in case of the bike going down, the trailer stays upright and is
stopped by the bike (on its side!). In case of a accident in traffic, a German insurance company's
tests show it get pushed out of the way rather than crush (I've no desire to test this myself).
Exhaust fumes are said to be less than if the kids were travelling in a car (the middle of the
carriageways is where most of the fumes are outside of cars, so the trailer is normally well out of
that area). I have read that the harnesses are not great in case of an impact, but I can't see that,
provided you keep the speed down (I try not to go above 30kmph with the trailer).

In article <[email hidden]>, "Paul - [censored]"

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Decathlon (Giltbrook, near Nottingham, just round the corner from my house) had some cycle trailers
in. French (obviously) made, but cheap and looking very similar to the pages you posted. ISTR about
£200 ish .. though may be waaay wrong on the price.

Oooh. I'll have a look on the web cos we could get one out there maybe if it was cheaper.

Ta

Becka

"Becka Currant" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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After booking our holiday to France (yippee!) thoughts have now turned to

how

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we will transport baby Becka whilst cycling.

I really, really like the look of these:

twoplustwo.uk.comindex.htmlOpen ↗

Hi Becka, like Rory I have a Legerro Classico which has seen service every school day since last
February. It only does short trips (c. 8 miles a day) with a couple of short sharp hills. I can
certainly vouch for its solid/safe feel and it's wearing well. It's survived the worst weather
Dublin can throw at it, including one day in November that dropped the whole month's average
rainfall in one day - sprogs arrived dry and warm - I didn't. Like Chris French I can recommend the
Weber hitch. It's reassuringly solid, robust and easy to use. Of course, I haven't used any other
trailers so my view is limited. One thing I would say though is that in my case my perceptions
altered somewhat once I was actually using the trailer. Suddenly features I'd agonised over
(covertible to stroller/ how quickly it folds down etc) became far less important than issues that
might affect my kids - eg. how does it handle in traffic? Is it weatherproof? If I roll it is there
any protection? and so on. With this in mind I'd say go for the very best one you can afford. The
roads round here are often poorly surfaced and my only niggle with the Legerro is it has no
suspension at all. I could have forked out a £100 or so extra for the Ritschie (which has some sort
of suspension ). At the time (and now) that was a lot of money to justify but in retrospect it was
nothing compared to the kids' comfort, especially when spread over the trailer's lifespan. Hope this
helps. Tony R

In message <[email hidden]>, Becka Currant
<[email hidden]> writes

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In article said:

Quoted message said:

I really, really like the look of these:

twoplustwo.uk.comindex.htmlOpen ↗

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I don't actually use the jogger/push chair conversion, but bear in mind it will be rather bulkier
than a normal single pushchair.

Originally when we booked the holiday we didn't think we'd even be able to get the pushchair bit of
the travel system into the car and would therefore be totally relying on a sling to transport the
baby around. I've got a second hand wilkinet coming to see if I like it but a lot of that will have
to wait until the baby is born and we see what we/it likes. The flexibility of being able to
convert the trailer would give us the option of being able to push baby round if/when we need to
and also give us somewhere to stuff our kit if we've cycled to do some sighseeing (i.e. going into
Lourdes etc) and don't want to leave everything unattended.

h sure, I wasn't saying that it wouldn't be useful. I have considered it but haven't had a a great
need for it really yet so as to justify the extra cost, but I can imagine doing so in the future.
Also Elinor is a lot older, with a < 6 month old it will probably be more useful.

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It can be hard to get and see different trailers in the flesh, if you want to see ours you are
welcome to come over and have a look.

That would be fab, thank you. I'll leave taking you up on your offer until the baby has arrived but
really appreciate it.

Hey, we're cyclists, we're friendly, helpful sorts !:-)

--
Chris French, Leeds

In message <[email hidden]>, Becka Currant
<[email hidden]> writes

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]

(PRIORPARK17) said:

I have a burley, and the key features on a trailer as I see it are: frame surrounds the wheels so
If you hit a bollard or a tree it cannot get between the wheel and the trailer and have you off. I
like the look of the Chauffeur CTS on twoplustwo.uk.comindex.htmOpen ↗.

Thanks, and a very good point about the frame surrounds.

It is indeed, as when manoeuvring through gaps etc. the is bit can quite easily catch.

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I'll have a look at the burleys.

I can't remember why I didn't by a burley now, I think for one they worked out a bit more expensive.
Good and reliable though.
--
Chris French, Leeds

In message <[email hidden]>, Rory <[email hidden]> writes

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[email hidden] (Becka Currant) wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

After booking our holiday to France (yippee!) thoughts have now turned to how we will transport
baby Becka whilst cycling. When we go at the beginning of Sept the child will be about 5 1/2
months old. We're going to the Pyrenees (and get to see a couple of stages of the Vuelta, double
yippee!).

I really, really like the look of these:

twoplustwo.uk.comindex.htmlOpen ↗

Of those, I think the Ritschie 2 is the best.

It probably is, which is reflected in the price..... And it's rather heavy too, though all things
considered what's a couple of extra kilo's.

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It was supposed to be available with "auflaufbremsen" (run-out brakes, or Pomme-de-terre au
Gratin brakes?) which stop the trailer overtaking the tractor unit (that's you), but they don't
seem to be available yet. Seems like a good idea though, but I've not had a problem and I do a
lot of ups and downs.

I've not had a problem yet, and with my experience of load trailers I would say that for the sort of
load we are talking (say up to 50Kg) then decent brake son the tower are ok, experience with my
Columbus of bigger loads (80+ kg) would suggests that then it would become more useful (though it
would be nice anyway)

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Me, I've a Leggero Classico (Swiss), which is pretty good,

That was near the top of my list as well.

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In general, I'm convinced that the trailer is a pretty safe option, it stands out in traffic (I've
good lights on it at night), in case of the bike going down, the trailer stays upright and is
stopped by the bike (on its side!). In case of a accident in traffic, a German insurance company's
tests show it get pushed out of the way rather than crush (I've no desire to test this myself).

I can imagine that, though looking at the piccies of the trailer that was hit by that idiot it's
looking pretty well semi crushed. That the girl survived speak volumes for the design and safety of
these trailers.

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I have read that the harnesses are not great in case of an impact, but I can't see that, provided
you keep the speed down (I try not to go above 30kmph with the trailer).

I would think that in the sorts of situations required in a trailer they do the job ok. which is
basically to hold the child in the trailer. Stop-dead sort of collisions, where the child is thrown
forward, where the thickness of the straps and padding is more important don't seem that likely.

But yes, I tend to keep the speed down as well (only a concern on downhill stretches though)

A couple of trailer related thoughts - a bike stand is useful on the towing bike as when you park up
it is often hard to arrange things to have something to rest the bike against. One mounted at the
rear hub on the stays works well (ESGE do one, and you can get a Weber hitch fitting on one as well)

I've noticed that the mudgaurd on my tower isn't quite long enough and throws spray up a bit onto
the trailer. Not a problem in that the cover is over it, but it is making it rather dirty, look like
I need to make an extension.
--
Chris French, Leeds

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[email hidden] (Becka Currant) wrote this:-

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After booking our holiday to France (yippee!) thoughts have now turned to how we will transport
baby Becka whilst cycling.

A to B Magazine reviewed various options a couple of years or so ago. They have a back issue service
and an index on their web site. They decided on the Burley Solo from memory.

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keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

I think we've pretty much decided to get a 1-child trailer. The main reason for this is that the
main thing we'd use it for is simply getting the kid around, to shopping trips, day care, etc, and
our standard route into town involves going along a bike path that has bollards cleverly placed such
that there's a 78cm gap between them. This rules out most 2-child trailers. Evidently some will fit,
just barely, but since this trip will be such a common trip I want something that will fit though
painlessly.

[email hidden] (Becka Currant) wrote

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I really, really like the look of these:

twoplustwo.uk.comindex.htmlOpen ↗

I also really like the look of the Chariot 1-child trailers (Cheetah or Cougar). What I like
about them is that can easily converted to strollers or joggers, thus saving the expense of
buying one of those. I have been told that your standard stroller or pram is really not up to
much, and if you want to take your kiddie on long walks, it's worth getting a proper, robust,
3-wheeled jogging trailer.

However, we haven't completely ruled out the Burley 1-child trailer, the Solo. We will have a good
look at them both this weekend, as we wander up to Little Thetford (about 10 miles north of
Cambridge) to visit Kevin at D.Tek.

We eventually want to have two kids, but we figure that when #2 comes along, we can deal with that
then, by getting a second-hand two-child trailer, or putting a child seat on a trike of some kind.

-Myra

<<I can't remember why I didn't by a burley now, I think for one they worked out a bit more
expensive. Good and reliable though>>

Yes, but they hold their resale value better

In message <[email hidden]>, Myra VanInwegen
<[email hidden]> writes

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I also really like the look of the Chariot 1-child trailers (Cheetah or Cougar). What I like
about them is that can easily converted to strollers or joggers, thus saving the expense of
buying one of those. I have been told that your standard stroller or pram is really not up to
much, and if you want to take your kiddie on long walks, it's worth getting a proper, robust,
3-wheeled jogging trailer.

For longer walks I use the backpack carrier.

Certainly a 3 wheel jogging type buggy is easier to push than a normal type buggy presumably because
of the better wheels, decent bearing etc. And they deal with rough paths, grassland much better as
well because of the bigger wheels.

#But I wouldn't want to have one a sole buggy, the length and the normally fixed front wheel makes
for more awkward manoeuvring, a bulkier/heavier package for buses, boots of cars etc.

then again, lots of us seem to end up with at least two buggies/pushacirs anyway.
--
Chris French, Leeds

In message <[email hidden]>, PRIORPARK17
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<<I can't remember why I didn't by a burley now, I think for one they worked out a bit more
expensive. Good and reliable though>>

Yes, but they hold their resale value better

Yes. quite likely, they are good trailers and a strong brand. TBH though, if the trailer has been
through a few kids (hopefully) I don't suppose the difference would be massive. Anyway, price was
only one of the factors, though resale value wasn't - there were enough things to consider without
that imponderable as well.
--
Chris French, Leeds

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I think we've pretty much decided to get a 1-child trailer. The main reason for this is that the
main thing we'd use it for is simply getting the kid around, to shopping trips, day care, etc, and
our standard route into town involves going along a bike path that has bollards cleverly placed
such that there's a 78cm gap between them. This rules out most 2-child trailers. Evidently some
will fit, just barely, but since this trip will be such a common trip I want something that will
fit though painlessly.

It can be tight enough between some bollards alright - you can usually get through, but it pays to
stop and line-up slowly (DAMHIK...etc).

I saw a "single track" child trailer in a German magazine at the weekend, with only one wheel and
full sus - that might be a good option for one kid (less friction, width, etc.). I'll dig it out and
look it up on the web if anyone is interested.