BBQ's on plastic decks??? Goomba.

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http://tinyurl.com/3aewzs

The article says nothing of the deck material. It may have been wood of
some sort. I did find this from the Trex web site
Q: Fire rating

A: Trex decking, railing and fencing are rated as a Class C (or Class III)
building material. It has combustion properties similar to wood. In
combustion property testing, Trex products were found to be no more toxic
than wood

Leads me to believe it is no worse than wood. I'll wait for more
information before drawing any conclusions.

Edwin Pawlowski said:

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http://tinyurl.com/3aewzs

The article says nothing of the deck material. It may have been wood of
some sort. I did find this from the Trex web site
Q: Fire rating

A: Trex decking, railing and fencing are rated as a Class C (or Class III)
building material. It has combustion properties similar to wood. In
combustion property testing, Trex products were found to be no more toxic
than wood

Leads me to believe it is no worse than wood. I'll wait for more
information before drawing any conclusions.

The trex.com web site faq says trex is a composite of wood and
recycled plastic, it can be disposed of the same as wood by composting
in landfills but unlike wood should not be burned.

I would assume that it is just as flammable as wood decking and
perhaps moreso, I would also assume like with typical chemical fires a
Trex fire burns hotter, spreads more rapidly, is much more difficult
to extinguish, and it's fumes are far more deadly... the Trex faq is
very careful not to address safety issues... it's much more involved
with touting their product, I don't consider theirs a faq, it's
primarily a sales pitch. I wouldn't walk barefoot on Trex same as I
wouldn't on any treated lumber.

In my opinion and from my own personal experience I think real wood is
in every way a far better material than any composite.

No kind of grill should ever be used on or near combustible
materials... people who place their grill on a wooden deck are
pinheads.

Sheldon

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http://tinyurl.com/3aewzs

The article says nothing of the deck material. It may have been wood of
some sort. I did find this from the Trex web site
Q: Fire rating

A: Trex decking, railing and fencing are rated as a Class C (or Class III)
building material. It has combustion properties similar to wood. In
combustion property testing, Trex products were found to be no more toxic
than wood

Leads me to believe it is no worse than wood. I'll wait for more
information before drawing any conclusions.

The trex.com web site faq says trex is a composite of wood and
recycled plastic, it can be disposed of the same as wood by composting
in landfills but unlike wood should not be burned.

I would assume that it is just as flammable as wood decking and
perhaps moreso, I would also assume like with typical chemical fires a
Trex fire burns hotter, spreads more rapidly, is much more difficult
to extinguish, and it's fumes are far more deadly... the Trex faq is
very careful not to address safety issues... it's much more involved
with touting their product, I don't consider theirs a faq, it's
primarily a sales pitch. I wouldn't walk barefoot on Trex same as I
wouldn't on any treated lumber.

In my opinion and from my own personal experience I think real wood is
in every way a far better material than any composite.

No kind of grill should ever be used on or near combustible
materials... people who place their grill on a wooden deck are
pinheads.

Sheldon

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> http://tinyurl.com/3aewzs

The article says nothing of the deck material. It may have been
wood of some sort. I did find this from the Trex web site
Q: Fire rating

A: Trex decking, railing and fencing are rated as a Class C (or
Class III) building material. It has combustion properties similar
to wood. In combustion property testing, Trex products were found to
be no more toxic than wood

Leads me to believe it is no worse than wood. I'll wait for more
information before drawing any conclusions.

The trex.com web site faq says trex is a composite of wood and
recycled plastic, it can be disposed of the same as wood by composting
in landfills but unlike wood should not be burned.

I would assume that it is just as flammable as wood decking and
perhaps moreso, I would also assume like with typical chemical fires a
Trex fire burns hotter, spreads more rapidly, is much more difficult
to extinguish, and it's fumes are far more deadly...

(snippage)

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No kind of grill should ever be used on or near combustible
materials... people who place their grill on a wooden deck are
pinheads.

Sheldon

I saw a story on the news last night about a deadly fire at a beach house
somewhere in North Carolina. 13 college students, most from the
University
of South Carolina had rented it. In the wee hours of Sunday morning, the
entire place went up in flames. It was engulfed in minutes and there were
7
fatalities. While there was no specific mention of a grill, the fire
investigators believe it started on the attached wooden deck. My
immediate
thought was either they had been grilling out there and went to bed while
the coals were still hot. My second thought was maybe they had one of
those
fire-pit things. I wouldn't put either one on a wooden deck.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/29/national/main3422474.shtml

Jill

You didn't notice the part of the url Peter posted that says
beach_house_fire?

North Carolina beach houses are all wood and the decks aren't decks in the
classic sense. They're more like outdoor rooms on each level. They don't
stick out from the house like a deck does.

Ms P

jmcquown said:

I saw a story on the news last night about a deadly fire at a beach house
somewhere in North Carolina. 13 college students, most from the University
of South Carolina had rented it. In the wee hours of Sunday morning, the
entire place went up in flames. It was engulfed in minutes and there were 7
fatalities. While there was no specific mention of a grill, the fire
investigators believe it started on the attached wooden deck. My immediate
thought was either they had been grilling out there and went to bed while
the coals were still hot. My second thought was maybe they had one of those
fire-pit things. I wouldn't put either one on a wooden deck.

According to the story in this morning's paper they had been grilling, but
well away from the deck, and no one saw them using the chimnea that was
there. The police interviewed other students from neighboring houses who
had been to the party. A fire investigator said they may have a good
idea where the fire started, but might never know the cause. For example
a cigarette would burn up in the fire and they would never find it.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

jmcquown said:

I saw a story on the news last night about a deadly fire at a beach house
somewhere in North Carolina. 13 college students, most from the University
of South Carolina had rented it. In the wee hours of Sunday morning, the
entire place went up in flames. It was engulfed in minutes and there were 7
fatalities. While there was no specific mention of a grill, the fire
investigators believe it started on the attached wooden deck. My immediate
thought was either they had been grilling out there and went to bed while
the coals were still hot. My second thought was maybe they had one of those
fire-pit things. I wouldn't put either one on a wooden deck.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/29/national/main3422474.shtml

Jill

Thinking back to my college days, I can imagine music, dancing, kegs of
beer, liquor and smoking weed. Not that I would do anything like that.
Well OK, maybe I would.

My heart goes out to the families who lost children in that fire. After
the investigation, maybe they will learn what ignited the blaze.

Becca

Sheldon said:

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http://tinyurl.com/3aewzs

The article says nothing of the deck material. It may have been
wood of some sort. I did find this from the Trex web site
Q: Fire rating

A: Trex decking, railing and fencing are rated as a Class C (or
Class III) building material. It has combustion properties similar
to wood. In combustion property testing, Trex products were found to
be no more toxic than wood

Leads me to believe it is no worse than wood. I'll wait for more
information before drawing any conclusions.

The trex.com web site faq says trex is a composite of wood and
recycled plastic, it can be disposed of the same as wood by composting
in landfills but unlike wood should not be burned.

I would assume that it is just as flammable as wood decking and
perhaps moreso, I would also assume like with typical chemical fires a
Trex fire burns hotter, spreads more rapidly, is much more difficult
to extinguish, and it's fumes are far more deadly...

(snippage)

Quoted message said:

No kind of grill should ever be used on or near combustible
materials... people who place their grill on a wooden deck are
pinheads.

Sheldon

I saw a story on the news last night about a deadly fire at a beach house
somewhere in North Carolina. 13 college students, most from the University
of South Carolina had rented it. In the wee hours of Sunday morning, the
entire place went up in flames. It was engulfed in minutes and there were 7
fatalities. While there was no specific mention of a grill, the fire
investigators believe it started on the attached wooden deck. My immediate
thought was either they had been grilling out there and went to bed while
the coals were still hot. My second thought was maybe they had one of those
fire-pit things. I wouldn't put either one on a wooden deck.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/29/national/main3422474.shtml

Jill

Ms P said:

You didn't notice the part of the url Peter posted that says
beach_house_fire?

North Carolina beach houses are all wood and the decks aren't decks in
the classic sense. They're more like outdoor rooms on each level. They
don't stick out from the house like a deck does.

Ms P

Are you talking about sleeping porches or screened in porches?

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Ms P said:

You didn't notice the part of the url Peter posted that says
beach_house_fire?

North Carolina beach houses are all wood and the decks aren't decks in
the classic sense. They're more like outdoor rooms on each level. They
don't stick out from the house like a deck does.

Ms P

Are you talking about sleeping porches or screened in porches?

They're not screened in. I'm not sure they're sleeping porches though.
Most of those houses are giant squares 3 to 4 stories high. They'll have a
deck or porch on each level that doesn't stick out beyond the edge of the
house but isn't screened in and just has regular porch railings. The house
involved in the fire looks like one of the ones that has a deck above
covered parking. The bottom floors are typically garage and have some
storage and a couple of bedrooms. The second level has the main living
areas. The upper floors are bedrooms and bathrooms. Most of the houses
also have elevators. The one we rent sleeps 13 in half the house. I've
been in several of them though when mil was deciding which one we wanted.
Plus we looked at several that were for sale.

There was one down from ours that was for sale for 1.2 million for just one
half of the building. There was one just a little farther down that was
only two levels and wasn't divided that could be had for just 1.9 million.
Some of the really big ones are divided into four units. Each unit or half
will go all the way to the top floor.

Ms P

Becca said:

jmcquown said:

I saw a story on the news last night about a deadly fire at a beach house
somewhere in North Carolina. 13 college students, most from the University
of South Carolina had rented it. In the wee hours of Sunday morning, the
entire place went up in flames. It was engulfed in minutes and there were 7
fatalities. While there was no specific mention of a grill, the fire
investigators believe it started on the attached wooden deck. My immediate
thought was either they had been grilling out there and went to bed while
the coals were still hot. My second thought was maybe they had one of those
fire-pit things. I wouldn't put either one on a wooden deck.

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Jill

Thinking back to my college days, I can imagine music, dancing, kegs of
beer, liquor and smoking weed. Not that I would do anything like that.
Well OK, maybe I would.

My heart goes out to the families who lost children in that fire. After
the investigation, maybe they will learn what ignited the blaze.

Becca

In most all cases gas grill fires are not directly related to the
cooking per se, they are due to some hardware failure that causes gas
to leak and fire to spread to all nearby combustibles, especially
wooden decks. Charcoal grills mostly cause CO poisoning first, then
when people are unconcious if a fire breaks out they are doomed,
probably doomed from the CO anyway. I'm willing to bet that there
wasn't one operable smoke detector in that entire house... with so
many people present someone would have certainly heard the smoke
detector alarm well before that fire got so far along.

Never sleep in any bedroom without having a smoke detector that you
know with certainty operates... when traveling it's best to bring your
own... never trust those in hotels and other's residences. No one has
an excuse, smoke detectors are cheap (by law they even include the
battery) and sold everywhere, even in stupidmarkets and drugstores...
usually right in the next aisle from the condoms.

Sheldon

Sheldon

jmcquown said:

Goomba38 said:

Ms P said:

You didn't notice the part of the url Peter posted that says
beach_house_fire?

Nope, I didn't because I don't see Peter's original post, just quoted parts.

Nonsense, love. Must we go back to your post and show how you from quote
to quote included everything from Peter's original post? I think what
you meant was you didn't *read* Peter's original post (which isn't any
better as it would mean you hadn't read the post you were responding
to... oh well).

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You didn't notice the part of the url Peter posted that says
beach_house_fire?

Jilly MacQueen won't read anything of mine, for some reason!! I think it's
a prima-donna thing.

Or maybe my writing is too hard to decipher through the bottom of her
chardy glass??

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North Carolina beach houses are all wood and the decks aren't decks in
the classic sense. They're more like outdoor rooms on each level.
They don't stick out from the house like a deck does.

This thread was in response to Goomba telling us about her plastic deck.

Pennyaline said:

jmcquown said:

Goomba38 said:

Ms P wrote:

> You didn't notice the part of the url Peter posted that says
> beach_house_fire?
>

Nope, I didn't because I don't see Peter's original post, just
quoted parts.

Nonsense, love. Must we go back to your post and show how you from
quote to quote included everything from Peter's original post? I
think what you meant was you didn't *read* Peter's original post
(which isn't any better as it would mean you hadn't read the post you
were responding to... oh well).

No, what I meant was I don't see Peter Lucas' posts UNLESS they are quoted
by someone else. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I read what Ed Pawlowski quoted
of it.