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  1. I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined a beef
    tenderloin roast?

    Here is my brine recipe...and I usually alter it to personal taste.

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    Mark Peel's Brine

    marinade

    2/3 cup salt
    1/2 cup sugar
    1/2 cup black pepper, cracked
    1 pinch thyme, dried
    13 cloves
    13 allspice, cracked
    3 bay leaves
    13 juniper berries, crushed
    1 water

    Combine salt, sugar, pepper, thyme, cloves allspice, bay leaves and
    juniper berries in saucepan. Add 1 quart water and bring to boil.
    Simmer
    5 minutes, then add 1 gallon cold water. Chill thoroughly before
    using
    brine.

    Makes about 1 1/4 gallon brine.... enough for a 12 to 14 pound
    turkey.

    The spicing is very faint, mostly you taste the salt and a bit of the
    sugar. It's a bit like a very elegant version of commercial smoked
    turkey, only without the smoke. A couple of dashes of liquid smoke
    might
    be nice also. Peel also used this recipe for roast pork and smoked.
    fish.
    For a pork loin, cut all the amounts by half. for fish or chops, cut
    them
    to 1/4.

    Yield: 1 servings

    ** Exported from Now You're Cooking! v5.82 **

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined a beef
    tenderloin roast?

    I'll be interested in the answers, although I'll never use them. IMO, a
    beef tenderloin needs no such assault. However check out sauerbraten
    marinades for lesser cuts of beef.

    leo

  3. Leonard Blaisdell said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined a beef
    tenderloin roast?

    I'll be interested in the answers, although I'll never use them. IMO, a
    beef tenderloin needs no such assault. However check out sauerbraten
    marinades for lesser cuts of beef.

    leo

    Try pre-salting a la Judy Rodgers of Zuni Cafe fame. Start about 2
    days or so in advance and salt it with about 3/4 tsp of sea salt/per
    pound of beef. Wrap it loosely in plastic wrap and let it sit in the
    fridge for about 2 days. The day you want to cook it, unwrap it, and
    dry it off, and let it air dry in the fridge. Then cook it the way
    you want to cook it.

    I posted an article a week or so ago, from Russ Parsons of the LA
    Times, about this method. In that article, I think there was a recipe
    for a beef tenderloin pre-salted in this manner. I don't know if I
    can find it now, but if anyone else saved this article, maybe you can
    post it?

    Christine

  4. Quoted message said:

    Combine salt, sugar, pepper, thyme, cloves allspice, bay leaves and
    juniper berries in saucepan. Add 1 quart water and bring to boil.
    Simmer 5 minutes, then add 1 gallon cold water. Chill thoroughly
    before using brine.

    A lot of brines just call for throwing bunch of dried seasonings
    into cold water at [censored]! - It's a brine. It's a big waste of
    spices, is what it is.

    Always simmer any brine that contains anything more than salt and
    sugar.

    -sw

  5. Quoted message said:

    I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined a beef
    tenderloin roast?

    Oh, to answer this one - you can brine beef but expect it have a
    corned beef taste.

    -sw

  6. Sqwertz said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined a beef
    tenderloin roast?

    Oh, to answer this one - you can brine beef but expect it have a
    corned beef taste.

    -sw

    I have brined for years...and never recall corned chicken or a corned
    pork product. Why would that be the result with beef?

  7. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined a beef
    tenderloin roast?

    Why? Tenderloin won't gain anything from a brine. You just might ruin it.

  8. "Christine Dabney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Leonard Blaisdell said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined a beef
    tenderloin roast?

    I'll be interested in the answers, although I'll never use them. IMO, a
    beef tenderloin needs no such assault. However check out sauerbraten
    marinades for lesser cuts of beef.

    leo

    Try pre-salting a la Judy Rodgers of Zuni Cafe fame. Start about 2
    days or so in advance and salt it with about 3/4 tsp of sea salt/per
    pound of beef. Wrap it loosely in plastic wrap and let it sit in the
    fridge for about 2 days. The day you want to cook it, unwrap it, and
    dry it off, and let it air dry in the fridge. Then cook it the way
    you want to cook it.

    But please! NOT a tenderloin

    Quoted message said:


    I posted an article a week or so ago, from Russ Parsons of the LA
    Times, about this method. In that article, I think there was a recipe
    for a beef tenderloin pre-salted in this manner. I don't know if I
    can find it now, but if anyone else saved this article, maybe you can
    post it?

    Christine

  9. <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    I have brined for years...and never recall corned chicken or a corned
    pork product. Why would that be the result with beef?

    Beef does not brine well as it is a different chemical composition. As for
    the pork, ham is corned pork that was smoked. "Corning is a city in New
    York, as well as curing with salt.

  10. "Sqwertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined a beef
    tenderloin roast?

    Oh, to answer this one - you can brine beef but expect it have a
    corned beef taste.

    -sw


    Corned beef contains nitrites. Simple brining with salt and H20 should only
    change the salt and water concentration of the meat.

    Kent

  11. Kent said:

    "Sqwertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined a beef
    tenderloin roast?

    Oh, to answer this one - you can brine beef but expect it have a
    corned beef taste.

    -sw

    Corned beef contains nitrites. Simple brining with salt and H20 should only
    change the salt and water concentration of the meat.

    Not true there, Kent. Of course corned beef can be mode without
    nitrites. Salt only. Corned beef has a history going back centuries.
    Nitrites do not.

    See: Ye Olde Corned Beef

    --
    Reg

  12. Kent said:

    "Sqwertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined a beef
    tenderloin roast?

    Oh, to answer this one - you can brine beef but expect it have a
    corned beef taste.


    Corned beef contains nitrites. Simple brining with salt and H20 should only
    change the salt and water concentration of the meat.

    Try it, Kent. It tastes very different once you brine beef. You
    need to give up all those science manuals and try these things in
    the real world.

    -sw

  13. Quoted message said:
    Sqwertz said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined a beef
    tenderloin roast?

    Oh, to answer this one - you can brine beef but expect it have a
    corned beef taste.

    I have brined for years...and never recall corned chicken or a corned
    pork product. Why would that be the result with beef?

    And if you brine your chicken or pork with some nitrates, it
    won't taste very different from one brined with just salt
    (assuming you didn't smoke it). The heavier salt concentrations
    work differently on beef. Try it and report back (but don't try
    it on tenderloin).

    -sw

  14. Edwin wrote on Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:15:50 GMT:

    EP> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ??>>
    ??>> I have brined for years...and never recall corned chicken
    ??>> or a corned pork product. Why would that be the result
    ??>> with beef?
    ??>>

    Is corned beef different from brined? I remember a brined turkey
    as being very good tho' perhaps not worth the time involved.

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    E-mail, with obvious alterations:
    not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

  15. Reg wrote on Sat, 27 Oct 2007 05:27:14 GMT:

    ??>> "Sqwertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ??>> news:[email hidden]...
    ??>>
    ??>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:15:39 -0700, [email hidden]
    wrote:
    ??>>>
    ??>>>> I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined
    ??>>>> a beef tenderloin roast?
    ??>>>
    ??>>> Oh, to answer this one - you can brine beef but expect it
    ??>>> have a corned beef taste.
    ??>>>
    ??>>> -sw
    ??>>>
    ??>> Corned beef contains nitrites. Simple brining with salt
    ??>> and H20 should only change the salt and water
    ??>> concentration of the meat.

    R> Not true there, Kent. Of course corned beef can be mode
    R> without nitrites. Salt only. Corned beef has a history going
    R> back centuries. Nitrites do not.

    R> See: Ye Olde Corned Beef

    Remember O'Brien's sea stories? Isn't salt beef what the British
    Navy lived on even if it was also referred to as "Salt Horse"
    with some justification?

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    E-mail, with obvious alterations:
    not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

  16. "Reg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kent said:

    "Sqwertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:15:39 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

    >I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined a beef
    >tenderloin roast?

    Oh, to answer this one - you can brine beef but expect it have a
    corned beef taste.

    -sw

    Corned beef contains nitrites. Simple brining with salt and H20 should
    only
    change the salt and water concentration of the meat.

    Not true there, Kent. Of course corned beef can be mode without
    nitrites. Salt only. Corned beef has a history going back centuries.
    Nitrites do not.

    See: Ye Olde Corned Beef

    --
    Reg


    I should have said potassium nitrate, or saltpeter. Saltpeter has been used
    to preserve beef at least since the mid 19th century, and I would guess
    earlier.
    http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:TyEBxyRAw2MJ:www.uttyler.edu/vbetts/albany.htm+%22history+of%22+%22corning+beef%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us

    Kent

  17. "Sqwertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kent said:

    "Sqwertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:15:39 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

    > I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined a beef
    > tenderloin roast?

    Oh, to answer this one - you can brine beef but expect it have a
    corned beef taste.


    Corned beef contains nitrites. Simple brining with salt and H20 should
    only
    change the salt and water concentration of the meat.

    Try it, Kent. It tastes very different once you brine beef. You
    need to give up all those science manuals and try these things in
    the real world.

    -sw


    I don't brine beef. I'm guessing the original poster in this thread finds
    beef tenderloin to be pretty tasteless, as I do.

    I did brine the beef chuck the last time I made boeuf bourguignon, with red
    wine and a bit of salt. That was used as the braising liquid along with beef
    stock the next day. It lessened the beef flavor, and may have dried the
    meat a bit. I wouldn't recommend it.

    Tonight we're making boeuf bourguignon. One of our favorite dishes.

    Kent

  18. Kent said:

    "Reg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kent said:

    "Sqwertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    >On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:15:39 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined a beef
    >>tenderloin roast?
    >
    >Oh, to answer this one - you can brine beef but expect it have a
    >corned beef taste.
    >
    >-sw
    >

    Corned beef contains nitrites. Simple brining with salt and H20 should
    only
    change the salt and water concentration of the meat.

    Not true there, Kent. Of course corned beef can be mode without
    nitrites. Salt only. Corned beef has a history going back centuries.
    Nitrites do not.

    See: Ye Olde Corned Beef

    --
    Reg


    I should have said potassium nitrate, or saltpeter. Saltpeter has been used
    to preserve beef at least since the mid 19th century, and I would guess
    earlier.
    http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:TyEBxyRAw2MJ:www.uttyler.edu/vbetts/albany.htm+%22history+of%22+%22corning+beef%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us

    Your research skills leave little to be desired. Why do your
    arguments always seem so one-sided?

    http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodmeats.html#cornedbeef

    Note that primitive people have been salting meats for a long,
    long, time. It didn't get it;s current name until the 17th
    century.

    And there are several nitrate-free, corned beef suppliers
    nowdays.

    -sw

  19. Kent said:

    I did brine the beef chuck the last time I made boeuf bourguignon, with red
    wine and a bit of salt. That was used as the braising liquid along with beef
    stock the next day. It lessened the beef flavor, and may have dried the
    meat a bit. I wouldn't recommend it.

    I've tried wine in brines a couple times and it always dries out
    the meat for some reason.

    -sw

  20. "Sqwertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Kent said:

    "Reg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Kent wrote:

    > "Sqwertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >
    >>On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:15:39 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>I have brined pork, chicken, etc...but has anyone brined a beef
    >>>tenderloin roast?
    >>
    >>Oh, to answer this one - you can brine beef but expect it have a
    >>corned beef taste.
    >>
    >>-sw
    >>
    >
    > Corned beef contains nitrites. Simple brining with salt and H20 should
    > only
    > change the salt and water concentration of the meat.

    Not true there, Kent. Of course corned beef can be mode without
    nitrites. Salt only. Corned beef has a history going back centuries.
    Nitrites do not.

    See: Ye Olde Corned Beef

    --
    Reg


    I should have said potassium nitrate, or saltpeter. Saltpeter has been
    used
    to preserve beef at least since the mid 19th century, and I would guess
    earlier.
    http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:TyEBxyRAw2MJ:www.uttyler.edu/vbetts/albany.htm+%22history+of%22+%22corning+beef%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us

    Your research skills leave little to be desired. Why do your
    arguments always seem so one-sided?

    http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodmeats.html#cornedbeef

    Note that primitive people have been salting meats for a long,
    long, time. It didn't get it;s current name until the 17th
    century.

    And there are several nitrate-free, corned beef suppliers
    nowdays.

    -sw
    .


    Salting, as a preservative, has been done "forever". The question I have is
    when did the addition of potassium nitrate occur. It may have been around
    the time saltpeter or KNO3 was first used in the manufacture of gun powder.
    Certainly the addition of nitrites and nitrates increases the preservation
    time/quality of the meat. And, it changes the taste.

    Recently we had the La Quercia Rossa-Heirloom Breed Culaccia, from Iowa that
    is getting a lot of
    press, and which contains no nitrites/nitrates. While it's an excellent
    product, it doesn't have the taste of the real thing,
    which contains some nitrates and/or nitrites.

    Kent

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