BS or not?

Try eating less and exercising more.

Everything else is a subset of this basic principle.

IOW, the Leptin Diet can work as long as you're eating few enough calories
and expending enough calories to
maintain the weightloss you desire.

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http://www.diet-blog.com/archives/2006/08/18/leptin_diet.php

" Leptin Diet
Over recent years the hormone leptin has been under the spotlight. The
role it plays in regulating appetite and fat metabolism may be a key
in managing weight. Byron Richards addresses leptin imbalances in his
book Mastering Leptin.

Diet Blog reader Dr R. Smith was able to provide me with a brief
rundown of the diet (which he currently follows).

The five basic rules of the Leptin Diet

Never eat after dinner
Never go to bed on a full stomach - leaving a gap of 11-12 hours
between dinner and breakfast. This apparently allows enough time for
optimum fat burning.
Eat 3 meals per day
In stark contrast to those programs that advocate eating 5-6 times a
day, the leptin diet calls for a gap of 5 hours between eating. During
the first 3 hours after a meal, the hormone insulin will be storing
the energy from food - and our bodies are not fat-burning mode.
Do not eat large meals
Regular large meals leads to leptin and insulin resistance.
Eat a high-protein breakfast
This supports blood sugar levels throughout the day. Late afternoon
energy crashes are often due to eating a breakfast high in
carbohydrates and little protein. A high carbohydrate breakfast,
combined with leptin resistance can lead to overeating.
Reduce the amount and glycemic index of carbohydrates consumed
This is not implying cutting out all carbs, but reducing, in
particular starchy carbs. Top check whether too many carbs were eaten
weigh yourself in the morning and at bedtime. If bedtime weight is
more than 2 pounds over morning weight (and other rules) followed,
then too many carbs were consumed."

I pulled this out of a post from Diet Blog. I dunno, the Leptin Diet
books seem like a scam if this is all that's in them.

c
The My Book Was on Oprah Diet

Quoted message said:

Never eat after dinner

This seems too unspecific to be useful. Why not "Don't eat 3 hours
before bed" or something like that.

Quoted message said:

Never go to bed on a full stomach - leaving a gap of 11-12 hours
between dinner and breakfast. This apparently allows enough time for
optimum fat burning.

That's more useful. It would probably promote the best growth hormone
response as well. Not new or unique to leptin land.

Quoted message said:

Eat 3 meals per day
In stark contrast to those programs that advocate eating 5-6 times a
day, the leptin diet calls for a gap of 5 hours between eating. During
the first 3 hours after a meal, the hormone insulin will be storing
the energy from food - and our bodies are not fat-burning mode.

If I'm eating low carb, and I'm keeping insulin response low, I don't
see
if it makes a difference, in an isocaloric world, whether I eat 3 or 5
on this
criteria. On the flip side, in an isocaloric world, eating 5-6 times a
day
maximizes the thermic effect of the food, which would probably lead to
less fat storage. Everyone is different, and most aren't even the same
from
season to season, so there might come a time where I'll go back to 3
and it
will work better than 5, but I'm not there yet. Mileage varies.

Quoted message said:

Do not eat large meals
Regular large meals leads to leptin and insulin resistance.

Hrm. 3 meals and only 3 meals, but no large ones. Depending on how
large
is defined, this could feel a lot like a calorie cutting diet.

Quoted message said:

Eat a high-protein breakfast
This supports blood sugar levels throughout the day. Late afternoon
energy crashes are often due to eating a breakfast high in
carbohydrates and little protein. A high carbohydrate breakfast,
combined with leptin resistance can lead to overeating.

This feels like protein power. I'm charged with 25-40g of protein at
every meal
(depending on 3-5 meals) so that's probably a high protein breakfast.

Quoted message said:

Reduce the amount and glycemic index of carbohydrates consumed
This is not implying cutting out all carbs, but reducing, in
particular starchy carbs. Top check whether too many carbs were eaten
weigh yourself in the morning and at bedtime. If bedtime weight is
more than 2 pounds over morning weight (and other rules) followed,
then too many carbs were consumed."

This also feels a lot like protein power. Or Atkins beyond induction.
Or
south beach. I guess prime rib and brie are in then. They're both
pretty low
glycemic.

Summary: you probably get all the benefits of the leptin diet by
watching
carbs and getting adequate protein at all meals. Add the 11 hour sleep-
fast
(3 hours before bed + 8 hours sleep = 11 hours, not hard), and you're
not
looking at anything but a new mechanism to explain the same old good
stuff.

Hmmm... Lyle is a big fan of leptin, but based on his writings, I'd
guess he'd say most of what you referenced is BS. I think the only
"key" to a leptin-aware plan is the refeed schedule, which
periodically kicks your leptin production up.

For 99% of the people, losing weight happens by: (1) maintaining a
proper caloric deficit over time, either through diet, exercise, or a
combination of the two, and (2) getting the right mix of protein,
EFAs, and other macronutrients.

No amount of juggling is going to make a significant difference
without changes to the above items.

Quoted message said:

Eat a high-protein breakfast

I think most people don't eat enough protein these days *anyway*. But
protein is in milk, cheese, eggs, bacon, sausages... shouldn't be too
hard to get enough protein in that meal.

jcderkoeing said:

Try eating less and exercising more.

Everything else is a subset of this basic principle.

IOW, the Leptin Diet can work as long as you're eating few enough calories
and expending enough calories to
maintain the weightloss you desire.

Imagine that. Life could be so simple.

Marsha/Ohio

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Quoted message said:

jcderkoeing said:

Try eating less and exercising more.

Everything else is a subset of this basic principle.

IOW, the Leptin Diet can work as long as you're eating few enough
calories and expending enough calories to
maintain the weightloss you desire.

Imagine that. Life could be so simple.

It's hard to see simplicity in life when you're looking for a miracle.

Marsha said:

jcderkoeing said:

Try eating less and exercising more.

Everything else is a subset of this basic principle.

IOW, the Leptin Diet can work as long as you're eating few enough
calories and expending enough calories to
maintain the weightloss you desire.

Imagine that. Life could be so simple.

Marsha/Ohio

Actually, Taubes makes a pretty good refutation of:

Eat Less !

Exercise More!

He has the referenced papers on this hoary old bit of "wisdom".

I marked it especially for JC.

So, then, no food for 12 hours at night, no heavy meals, and 5 hours between
meals. So you get two light meals a day? No, no, wait, it says 3 meals/day.
Let me get this straight, you eat three meals a day, five hours apart, and
then take off 12 hours. So we're talking 27 hour days. Or... three meals
every 2.5 days on Jupiter, or one meal a day and a half if you rotate around
Uranus.

I dunno, the whole thing sounds pretty fishy.

Mike
my computer's making a spinning sound and i don't know why. F! I hope its
not the hard drive. Maybe the fan is kicking in.

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Quoted message said:

Marsha said:

jcderkoeing said:

Try eating less and exercising more.

Everything else is a subset of this basic principle.

IOW, the Leptin Diet can work as long as you're eating few enough
calories and expending enough calories to
maintain the weightloss you desire.

Imagine that. Life could be so simple.

Marsha/Ohio

Actually, Taubes makes a pretty good refutation of:

Eat Less !

Exercise More!

He has the referenced papers on this hoary old bit of "wisdom".

I marked it especially for JC.

Magic is so much more enticing than reality.

Eating more is how you got fat in the first place, so do you really think
that eating more is how you are going to also shed your excess fat?

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

em said:

So, then, no food for 12 hours at night, no heavy meals, and 5 hours between
meals. So you get two light meals a day? No, no, wait, it says 3 meals/day.
Let me get this straight, you eat three meals a day, five hours apart, and
then take off 12 hours. So we're talking 27 hour days. Or... three meals
every 2.5 days on Jupiter, or one meal a day and a half if you rotate around
Uranus.

6AM: Wake Up
7AM: Eat Breakfast
+5 hours
12:30: Eat Lunch
+5 hours
6PM: Eat Dinner
+4 hours
10 PM: Bed
Sleep 8 hours
Wash rinse repeat

This adds, even without instantaneous meals. Your calculator isn't
working, Mike.

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em said:

So, then, no food for 12 hours at night, no heavy meals, and 5 hours
between
meals. So you get two light meals a day? No, no, wait, it says 3
meals/day.
Let me get this straight, you eat three meals a day, five hours apart,
and
then take off 12 hours. So we're talking 27 hour days. Or... three meals
every 2.5 days on Jupiter, or one meal a day and a half if you rotate
around
Uranus.

6AM: Wake Up
7AM: Eat Breakfast
+5 hours
12:30: Eat Lunch
+5 hours
6PM: Eat Dinner
+4 hours
10 PM: Bed
Sleep 8 hours
Wash rinse repeat

This adds, even without instantaneous meals. Your calculator isn't
working, Mike.

TGIF!

DJ Delorie said:

Hmmm... Lyle is a big fan of leptin, but based on his writings, I'd
guess he'd say most of what you referenced is BS. I think the only
"key" to a leptin-aware plan is the refeed schedule, which
periodically kicks your leptin production up.

For 99% of the people, losing weight happens by: (1) maintaining a
proper caloric deficit over time, either through diet, exercise, or a
combination of the two, and (2) getting the right mix of protein,
EFAs, and other macronutrients.

No amount of juggling is going to make a significant difference
without changes to the above items.

I think pretty much what you do. The "leptin diet" to me means -- go
lowcarb for a while until your metabolism tanks and then stoke it up
again with cinnamon rolls.

But this nonsense is what's out there on the search term " leptin
diet" -- Lyle's old research seems to be lost at sea somewhere. Is it
that most people are never going to get a concept as complex as the
refeed, but they'll drop twenty bucks on a book that tells them to eat
three meals a day?

c

how confused are we really?

Quoted message said:

DJ Delorie said:

Hmmm... Lyle is a big fan of leptin, but based on his writings, I'd
guess he'd say most of what you referenced is BS. I think the only
"key" to a leptin-aware plan is the refeed schedule, which
periodically kicks your leptin production up.

For 99% of the people, losing weight happens by: (1) maintaining a
proper caloric deficit over time, either through diet, exercise, or a
combination of the two, and (2) getting the right mix of protein,
EFAs, and other macronutrients.

No amount of juggling is going to make a significant difference
without changes to the above items.

I think pretty much what you do. The "leptin diet" to me means -- go
lowcarb for a while until your metabolism tanks and then stoke it up
again with cinnamon rolls.

But this nonsense is what's out there on the search term " leptin
diet" -- Lyle's old research seems to be lost at sea somewhere. Is it
that most people are never going to get a concept as complex as the
refeed, but they'll drop twenty bucks on a book that tells them to eat
three meals a day?

c

how confused are we really?

I think the goal is to make eating so complicated that most simple
people will eventually give up and stop eating because it is so confusing.

Or, like SPAM, the goal is to make some fame and money at the expense of
others.