Re: herniated disc

In misc.fitness.weights CP the FRAUD! said:

On 20 Oct 2007 10:35:26 GMT, Chris Malcolm <[email hidden]>
wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was unable to run or ride a bicycle for twelve years after that kind
of back injury, including sneezing laying me on my back in agony for
weeks. But a carefully graded series of exercises did eventually
allow me to heal, or perhaps just to adapt, to the point where I can
now cycle, dance, climb, shift heavy furniture, and backpack.

The good news is that every medical expert I consulted told me it
would be impossible for me ever to recover from these injuries, that
I'd either have to nurse a very fragile and painful back for the rest
of my life, or have a risky operation which might make it worse.

Quoted message said:

Did you visit as chiropractor? Studys have shown that 90% of injurys
treated by chiros will eventually (2 years or more in this study)
correct themselves. However the difference is 2 years of suffering,
missing work, weeks in bed, OR a month of suffering without missing
work etc.

I did visit a chiropractor. He was my age and told me he understood my
condition very well because he suffered from it himself. He told me my
condition was incurable, that I should consider surgical fusion of the
discs in the damaged area, but if like him I preferred to learn how to
cope with my disability he could help to keep me going. I kept up with
the manipulations when my back was pretty painful, since he always
removed the pain and straightened me up. But once it had stopped being
very painful I gave him up because he was expensive and the effects
never lasted for more than a few days.

I hadn't seen him for over twenty years when I cycled past him one day
on the cobbled road outside his offices. He was one of those who had
said that without a risky operation I'd certainly never be able to
cycle again, let alone on a cobbled road! He was walking with a limp
and a stick. I waved and called to him but he didn't recognise me :-)

--
Chris Malcolm [email hidden] DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

On 23 Oct 2007 10:42:24 GMT, Chris Malcolm <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I did visit a chiropractor. He was my age and told me he understood my
condition very well because he suffered from it himself. He told me my
condition was incurable, that I should consider surgical fusion of the
discs in the damaged area, but if like him I preferred to learn how to
cope with my disability he could help to keep me going. I kept up with
the manipulations when my back was pretty painful, since he always
removed the pain and straightened me up. But once it had stopped being
very painful I gave him up because he was expensive and the effects
never lasted for more than a few days.

I hadn't seen him for over twenty years when I cycled past him one day
on the cobbled road outside his offices. He was one of those who had
said that without a risky operation I'd certainly never be able to
cycle again, let alone on a cobbled road! He was walking with a limp
and a stick. I waved and called to him but he didn't recognise me :-)

Oh please! Your story is so full of [censored] it looks like swiss
cheese.
First off, there's no such thing as fusing the discs together. Discs
cannot be fused together.
Next, no chiro would say "incurable" it maybe incurable, but it's not
untreatable.
Next, no chiro would reccomend a risky operation, nor use the term
"risky".
Next, no chiro would suggest surgery.
You are SO BRAVE learning to cope instead of being treated. I'm
printing your post, and I'm running it up the flagpole to salute it.
BTW, I have 3 discs dissolved (at last count, but it's probably more
by now) with bone spurs, degenerative disc disease as the culprit, and
I also have bone spurs, arthritis, a free-floating fragment that tore
off one disc (out of the capsule, truly free-floating) and moves
freely around my spine.
So try the lies on someone who doesn't know better.

Next time check your facts before lieing.

In misc.fitness.weights Runs far away said:

On 23 Oct 2007 10:42:24 GMT, Chris Malcolm <[email hidden]>
wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I did visit a chiropractor. He was my age and told me he understood my
condition very well because he suffered from it himself. He told me my
condition was incurable, that I should consider surgical fusion of the
discs in the damaged area, but if like him I preferred to learn how to
cope with my disability he could help to keep me going. I kept up with
the manipulations when my back was pretty painful, since he always
removed the pain and straightened me up. But once it had stopped being
very painful I gave him up because he was expensive and the effects
never lasted for more than a few days.

I hadn't seen him for over twenty years when I cycled past him one day
on the cobbled road outside his offices. He was one of those who had
said that without a risky operation I'd certainly never be able to
cycle again, let alone on a cobbled road! He was walking with a limp
and a stick. I waved and called to him but he didn't recognise me :-)

Quoted message said:

Oh please! Your story is so full of [censored] it looks like swiss
cheese.
First off, there's no such thing as fusing the discs together. Discs
cannot be fused together.

Apologies for the sloppy terminology. Of course the operation I
meant was the well known fusing of the verterbrae.

In fact that is what in the end took place naturally. According to the
rheumatologist who recently inspected X-rays of my back for evidence
of ankylosing spondylitis the vertebrae concerned had clearly been
fused for decades. He said they were admirably knitted together in
what was obviously a strong stable configuration.

Quoted message said:

Next, no chiro would say "incurable" it maybe incurable, but it's not
untreatable.

Maybe not where you live. Here chiros will often say "incurable but
treatable" when that is what they consider to be the case. It's a not
uncommon condition with bad backs.

Quoted message said:

Next, no chiro would reccomend a risky operation, nor use the term
"risky".

Again that is probably a cultural divide. On this side of the pond we
sue our medical practicioners less, and in return they are more honest
with us. Most operations carry a small risk. The risk of failure of
this operation was quantified by all I consulted, including the chiro,
as being a few percent. Again you also didn't read my post carefully
enough. He did *not* recommend the operation. He pointed out that it
was an option I should consider, taking into account the trade between
risk and benefit. In telling me that his own choice in the same
situation was to refuse that option he was in fact mildly *not*
recommending it.

Quoted message said:

Next, no chiro would suggest surgery.

Either you have little experience with chiropractors, or else in your
part of the world they behave differently. There are some kinds of
back damage where surgery is the only sensible option, and only a fool
or a charlatan would fail to mention that option where applicable. The
chiropractic practice I went to makes a point of examining new patients
carefully, including X-rays of the spine, and referring people on to
local surgical consultants when they consider the condition is better
treated by their methods than by chiropractic manipulations.

Quoted message said:

You are SO BRAVE learning to cope instead of being treated.

You were obviously in such a hurry to rant that you failed to notice
that I mentioned I *was* treated for some years by that chiro for my
back injuries. And as it happens, when I stopped being treated by him,
I continued the self-treatments he had taught me. No bravery involved,
just willingness to learn and take advice.

Quoted message said:

I'm
printing your post, and I'm running it up the flagpole to salute it.
BTW, I have 3 discs dissolved (at last count, but it's probably more
by now) with bone spurs, degenerative disc disease as the culprit, and
I also have bone spurs, arthritis, a free-floating fragment that tore
off one disc (out of the capsule, truly free-floating) and moves
freely around my spine.
So try the lies on someone who doesn't know better.

It's not the condition of your spine I'm worried about but the
condition of your brain. Unlike you, I sign my posts with my real name
and address. Anyone, including my doctors, friends, family, and
colleagues, can check my posts against other sources and knowledge. If
I was going to lie I'd be sure to hide my real identity behind a screen
name.

I notice that you call yourself "runsdistancealot", despite your three
dissolved discs, bone spurs, degenerative disc disease, and arthritis.

Hmmm...

--
Chris Malcolm [email hidden] DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Chris Malcolm said:

In misc.fitness.weights Runs far away said:

On 23 Oct 2007 10:42:24 GMT, Chris Malcolm <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I did visit a chiropractor. He was my age and told me he understood my
condition very well because he suffered from it himself. He told me my
condition was incurable, that I should consider surgical fusion of the
discs in the damaged area, but if like him I preferred to learn how to
cope with my disability he could help to keep me going. I kept up with
the manipulations when my back was pretty painful, since he always
removed the pain and straightened me up. But once it had stopped being
very painful I gave him up because he was expensive and the effects
never lasted for more than a few days.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I hadn't seen him for over twenty years when I cycled past him one day
on the cobbled road outside his offices. He was one of those who had
said that without a risky operation I'd certainly never be able to
cycle again, let alone on a cobbled road! He was walking with a limp
and a stick. I waved and called to him but he didn't recognise me :-)

Oh please! Your story is so full of [censored] it looks like swiss
cheese.
First off, there's no such thing as fusing the discs together. Discs
cannot be fused together.

Apologies for the sloppy terminology. Of course the operation I
meant was the well known fusing of the verterbrae.

In fact that is what in the end took place naturally. According to the
rheumatologist who recently inspected X-rays of my back for evidence
of ankylosing spondylitis the vertebrae concerned had clearly been
fused for decades. He said they were admirably knitted together in
what was obviously a strong stable configuration.

Quoted message said:

Next, no chiro would say "incurable" it maybe incurable, but it's not
untreatable.

Maybe not where you live. Here chiros will often say "incurable but
treatable" when that is what they consider to be the case. It's a not
uncommon condition with bad backs.

Quoted message said:

Next, no chiro would reccomend a risky operation, nor use the term
"risky".

Again that is probably a cultural divide. On this side of the pond we
sue our medical practicioners less, and in return they are more honest
with us. Most operations carry a small risk. The risk of failure of
this operation was quantified by all I consulted, including the chiro,
as being a few percent. Again you also didn't read my post carefully
enough. He did *not* recommend the operation. He pointed out that it
was an option I should consider, taking into account the trade between
risk and benefit. In telling me that his own choice in the same
situation was to refuse that option he was in fact mildly *not*
recommending it.

Quoted message said:

Next, no chiro would suggest surgery.

Either you have little experience with chiropractors, or else in your
part of the world they behave differently. There are some kinds of
back damage where surgery is the only sensible option, and only a fool
or a charlatan would fail to mention that option where applicable. The
chiropractic practice I went to makes a point of examining new patients
carefully, including X-rays of the spine, and referring people on to
local surgical consultants when they consider the condition is better
treated by their methods than by chiropractic manipulations.

Quoted message said:

You are SO BRAVE learning to cope instead of being treated.

You were obviously in such a hurry to rant that you failed to notice
that I mentioned I *was* treated for some years by that chiro for my
back injuries. And as it happens, when I stopped being treated by him,
I continued the self-treatments he had taught me. No bravery involved,
just willingness to learn and take advice.

Quoted message said:

I'm
printing your post, and I'm running it up the flagpole to salute it.
BTW, I have 3 discs dissolved (at last count, but it's probably more
by now) with bone spurs, degenerative disc disease as the culprit, and
I also have bone spurs, arthritis, a free-floating fragment that tore
off one disc (out of the capsule, truly free-floating) and moves
freely around my spine.
So try the lies on someone who doesn't know better.

It's not the condition of your spine I'm worried about but the
condition of your brain. Unlike you, I sign my posts with my real name
and address. Anyone, including my doctors, friends, family, and
colleagues, can check my posts against other sources and knowledge. If
I was going to lie I'd be sure to hide my real identity behind a screen
name.

I notice that you call yourself "runsdistancealot", despite your three
dissolved discs, bone spurs, degenerative disc disease, and arthritis.

Hmmm...

--
Chris Malcolm [email hidden] DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]- Hide quoted text -

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Ok dicklips, my apologies, I didn't know you were from the "head up
[censored]" country. You areseholes couldn't get a wet dream wet.
And despite my discs, I run 9 miles to 18 miles a day, up a 1500'
elevation.