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  1. I frequently make this stock - which I then freeze in 1-2 cup
    containers for future use. My recipe is very good, but I have one
    small problem. I wonder if I could make it easier to get the scum off
    the chicken when the portions first boil. It seems to take an age to
    sieve off this scum (which is necessary to make the stock clear).

    I watched a Food TV program the other day whereby the cook seemed to
    add something to dissolve this scum. I missed what it was (what a
    pain!).

    Does anyone know of any easy way to clear the stock without all this
    tedious removal of the white scum which comes off the boiling chicken
    bits?

    Thanks all out there.

    The Golfer's Wife

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    The Golfer's Wife said:

    I frequently make this stock - which I then freeze in 1-2 cup
    containers for future use. My recipe is very good, but I have one
    small problem. I wonder if I could make it easier to get the scum off
    the chicken when the portions first boil. It seems to take an age to
    sieve off this scum (which is necessary to make the stock clear).

    I watched a Food TV program the other day whereby the cook seemed to
    add something to dissolve this scum. I missed what it was (what a
    pain!).

    Does anyone know of any easy way to clear the stock without all this
    tedious removal of the white scum which comes off the boiling chicken
    bits?

    Thanks all out there.

    The Golfer's Wife

    What scum?
    --
    Peace, Om

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  3. Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    The Golfer's Wife said:

    I frequently make this stock - which I then freeze in 1-2 cup
    containers for future use. My recipe is very good, but I have one
    small problem. I wonder if I could make it easier to get the scum
    off the chicken when the portions first boil. It seems to take an
    age to sieve off this scum (which is necessary to make the stock
    clear).

    I watched a Food TV program the other day whereby the cook seemed to
    add something to dissolve this scum. I missed what it was (what a
    pain!).

    Does anyone know of any easy way to clear the stock without all this
    tedious removal of the white scum which comes off the boiling chicken
    bits?

    Thanks all out there.

    The Golfer's Wife

    What scum?

    I just leave the scum there, chill the stock and skim it off with the fat.
    Works for me.

    kili

  4. <The Golfer's Wife> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I frequently make this stock - which I then freeze in 1-2 cup
    containers for future use. My recipe is very good, but I have one
    small problem. I wonder if I could make it easier to get the scum off
    the chicken when the portions first boil. It seems to take an age to
    sieve off this scum (which is necessary to make the stock clear).

    I watched a Food TV program the other day whereby the cook seemed to
    add something to dissolve this scum. I missed what it was (what a
    pain!).

    Does anyone know of any easy way to clear the stock without all this
    tedious removal of the white scum which comes off the boiling chicken
    bits?

    Thanks all out there.

    The Golfer's Wife

    Don't boil the stock. Rather, bring it to a *very* slow simmer and keep it
    there. The scummy stuff will all rise to the top and stick together, making
    it easier to remove eventually. Or, if you chose not to remove it, you will
    be able to push it aside to get at the clear stock underneath when the stock
    is done.

  5. The Golfer's Wife said:

    I frequently make this stock - which I then freeze in 1-2 cup
    containers for future use. My recipe is very good, but I have one
    small problem. I wonder if I could make it easier to get the scum off
    the chicken when the portions first boil. It seems to take an age to
    sieve off this scum (which is necessary to make the stock clear).

    I watched a Food TV program the other day whereby the cook seemed to
    add something to dissolve this scum. I missed what it was (what a
    pain!).

    Does anyone know of any easy way to clear the stock without all this
    tedious removal of the white scum which comes off the boiling chicken
    bits?

    Thanks all out there.

    I think a lot of scum results from fat and/or skin, which I do not
    include when making chicken stock. I clean up the chicken carcass a
    little bit from that.

    Karen

  6. The Golfer's Wife said:

    I frequently make this stock - which I then freeze in 1-2 cup
    containers for future use. My recipe is very good, but I have one
    small problem. I wonder if I could make it easier to get the scum off
    the chicken when the portions first boil. It seems to take an age to
    sieve off this scum (which is necessary to make the stock clear).

    I watched a Food TV program the other day whereby the cook seemed to
    add something to dissolve this scum. I missed what it was (what a
    pain!).

    Does anyone know of any easy way to clear the stock without all this
    tedious removal of the white scum which comes off the boiling chicken
    bits?

    Thanks all out there.

    The Golfer's Wife

    I agreee with the comments that simmering your stock rather than
    letting it come to a boil prevents scum from coming up.
    That said, "stuff" still happens. This is what I picked up this
    weekend at a little shop it was $1.67
    http://i24.tinypic.com/23hljlk.jpg
    http://i23.tinypic.com/ma8os6.jpg

    I also bought these. I wasn't sure if they worked but Wayne said he's
    used them and they worked for him.
    http://i21.tinypic.com/wlt4zd.jpg
    http://i24.tinypic.com/24cz349.jpg

    koko
    ---
    http://www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
    updated 10/20

    "There is no love more sincere than the love of food"
    George Bernard Shaw

  7. I'm new to the world of stock, but from what I've read, you want the
    scum to separate and rise, so that it can be removed. the skimmer
    that's pictured above works well.
    you can also blanch the bones first, this will reduce the scum a bit,
    but you also give up some flavor at the same time.

  8. koko said:

    I agreee with the comments that simmering your stock rather than
    letting it come to a boil prevents scum from coming up.

    Actually it's more or less the opposite. Boiling the stcok
    vigorously causes the fats to emulsify back in. It also mixes
    back in much of the other stuff that would have risen to the
    surface.

    You *want* the stuff to come out so you can remove it.
    Simmering it slowly allows the fat and scum (mostly
    proteins) to seperate out and float to the surface
    so it can be removed.

    You don't absolutely have to skim your stock, but if you
    don't the result is muddy looking, and, I think, not so
    good tasting.

    --
    Reg

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    kilikini said:
    Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    The Golfer's Wife said:

    I frequently make this stock - which I then freeze in 1-2 cup
    containers for future use. My recipe is very good, but I have one
    small problem. I wonder if I could make it easier to get the scum
    off the chicken when the portions first boil. It seems to take an
    age to sieve off this scum (which is necessary to make the stock
    clear).

    I watched a Food TV program the other day whereby the cook seemed to
    add something to dissolve this scum. I missed what it was (what a
    pain!).

    Does anyone know of any easy way to clear the stock without all this
    tedious removal of the white scum which comes off the boiling chicken
    bits?

    Thanks all out there.

    The Golfer's Wife

    What scum?

    I just leave the scum there, chill the stock and skim it off with the fat.
    Works for me.

    kili

    I make it in the pressure cooker, strain the solids and let set
    overnight, and do the same thing you do. Remove any "scum" when I skim
    the fat.

    Some people just make too much work for themselves. ;-)

    Pic of some of my chicken stock:

    http://i23.tinypic.com/n6cajc.jpg

    Made with chicken feet. There was actually so little fat on this batch,
    I did not bother to skim it.

    I get a much cleaner and clearer stock using feet than any other part of
    the bird.
    --
    Peace, Om

    Remove both _ (underscores) to validate gmail e-mails.

    "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." -- Steve Rothstein

  10. <koko> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I agreee with the comments that simmering your stock rather than
    letting it come to a boil prevents scum from coming up.
    That said, "stuff" still happens. This is what I picked up this
    weekend at a little shop it was $1.67

    When you simmer the stock rather than boiling it the scum still comes up to
    the top. What boiling does is incorporate it back into the stock and make it
    cloudy.

  11. The Golfer's Wife said:

    I frequently make this stock - which I then freeze in 1-2 cup
    containers for future use. My recipe is very good, but I have one
    small problem. I wonder if I could make it easier to get the scum off
    the chicken when the portions first boil. It seems to take an age to
    sieve off this scum (which is necessary to make the stock clear).

    I watched a Food TV program the other day whereby the cook seemed to
    add something to dissolve this scum. I missed what it was (what a
    pain!).

    I think I read your post too fast the first time I replied.
    I've heard of adding egg shells to chicken stock. I'm not sure when,
    or how many though.

    Quoted message said:

    Does anyone know of any easy way to clear the stock without all this
    tedious removal of the white scum which comes off the boiling chicken
    bits?

    Thanks all out there.

    The Golfer's Wife

    koko
    ---
    http://www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
    updated 10/20

    "There is no love more sincere than the love of food"
    George Bernard Shaw

  12. The message <[email hidden]>
    from The Golfer's Wife contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    I frequently make this stock - which I then freeze in 1-2 cup
    containers for future use. My recipe is very good, but I have one
    small problem. I wonder if I could make it easier to get the scum off
    the chicken when the portions first boil. It seems to take an age to
    sieve off this scum (which is necessary to make the stock clear).

    Quoted message said:

    I watched a Food TV program the other day whereby the cook seemed to
    add something to dissolve this scum. I missed what it was (what a
    pain!).

    Raw beaten egg white? (Used to clarify consomme).

    Quoted message said:

    Does anyone know of any easy way to clear the stock without all this
    tedious removal of the white scum which comes off the boiling chicken
    bits?

    If you just simmer/bubble it gently, instead of a fast boil, you
    won't get any scum.

    Janet.

    Quoted message said:

    The Golfer's Wife

  13. Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    The Golfer's Wife said:

    I frequently make this stock - which I then freeze in 1-2 cup
    containers for future use. My recipe is very good, but I have one
    small problem. I wonder if I could make it easier to get the scum off
    the chicken when the portions first boil. It seems to take an age to
    sieve off this scum (which is necessary to make the stock clear).

    I watched a Food TV program the other day whereby the cook seemed to
    add something to dissolve this scum. I missed what it was (what a
    pain!).

    Does anyone know of any easy way to clear the stock without all this
    tedious removal of the white scum which comes off the boiling chicken
    bits?

    Thanks all out there.

    The Golfer's Wife

    What scum?

    Yup, no scum here...

    I *do* hope that the poster is *not* using raw chicken parts...???

    --
    Best
    Greg

  14. Thanks to all who replied. I make my stock according to Wolfgang
    Puck's stock recipe which I saw on TV a couple of years ago. He made
    the point I remember of saying it was essential to scoop off the
    initial scum which arrives when the chicken bones finally come to the
    boil (there are no vegetables or herbs in at this time). I use one of
    those Chinese round flattish sieve things.

    If I brought the initial stockpot of chicken bones in cold water
    slowly it would take forever!

    As soon as the liquid boils I turn it down, scrape off the scum (there
    is ALWAYS some) and when it is relatively clear I add all the other
    ingredients. I then very slowly simmer this for 4 hours, adding
    boiling water about every hour or so to bring the stock back to its
    original level until 3 hours have elapsed, after which I don't add any
    more water.

    I agree that I am a bit careless with the chicken carcases. I should
    really trim them of all visible fat. But I don't and hence the
    problem I guess.

    I will try the egg white method - I too seem to vaguely remember that
    this renders consome clear.

    And yes, I use raw chicken carcases I get from the butcher. By the
    time 4 hours has gone by the chicken has had the bejeezus boiled out
    of it.

    The Golfer's Wife

  15. The Golfer's Wife said:

    Thanks to all who replied. I make my stock according to Wolfgang
    Puck's stock recipe which I saw on TV a couple of years ago. He made
    the point I remember of saying it was essential to scoop off the
    initial scum which arrives when the chicken bones finally come to the
    boil (there are no vegetables or herbs in at this time). I use one of
    those Chinese round flattish sieve things.

    If I brought the initial stockpot of chicken bones in cold water
    slowly it would take forever!

    As soon as the liquid boils I turn it down, scrape off the scum (there
    is ALWAYS some) and when it is relatively clear I add all the other
    ingredients. I then very slowly simmer this for 4 hours, adding
    boiling water about every hour or so to bring the stock back to its
    original level until 3 hours have elapsed, after which I don't add any
    more water.

    I agree that I am a bit careless with the chicken carcases. I should
    really trim them of all visible fat. But I don't and hence the
    problem I guess.

    I will try the egg white method - I too seem to vaguely remember that
    this renders consome clear.

    And yes, I use raw chicken carcases I get from the butcher. By the
    time 4 hours has gone by the chicken has had the bejeezus boiled out
    of it.

    The Golfer's Wife

    I don't know why one would not use raw chicken for stock. Using cooked
    chicken would be kind of counter productive.

    --

    Sarah Gray

  16. The wrote:
    :Thanks to all who replied. I make my stock according to Wolfgang
    :Puck's stock recipe which I saw on TV a couple of years ago. He made
    :the point I remember of saying it was essential to scoop off the
    :initial scum which arrives when the chicken bones finally come to the
    :boil (there are no vegetables or herbs in at this time). I use one of
    :those Chinese round flattish sieve things.

    : If I brought the initial stockpot of chicken bones in cold water
    :slowly it would take forever!

    You'd get better results, though. Slow heating gives the soluable or
    partly soluable proteins time to escape the meat solids. That means
    they coagulate into bigger clumps, which are much easier to skim off.

  17. Sarah Gray <[email hidden]> wrote in news😄2cTi.62$Bk.56
    @newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know why one would not use raw chicken for stock. Using cooked
    chicken would be kind of counter productive.

    For a darker looking stock roasted chicken and roasted chicken bones add
    colour and flavour. As the burnt sugar (the brown on the chicken) had very
    much to the flavour as well as the colour..

    --

    The house of the burning beet-Alan

    It'll be a sunny day in August, when the Moon will shine that night-
    Elbonian Folklore

  18. David Scheidt said:

    The wrote:
    :Thanks to all who replied. I make my stock according to Wolfgang
    :Puck's stock recipe which I saw on TV a couple of years ago. He made
    :the point I remember of saying it was essential to scoop off the
    :initial scum which arrives when the chicken bones finally come to the
    :boil (there are no vegetables or herbs in at this time). I use one of
    :those Chinese round flattish sieve things.

    : If I brought the initial stockpot of chicken bones in cold water
    :slowly it would take forever!

    You'd get better results, though. Slow heating gives the soluable or
    partly soluable proteins time to escape the meat solids. That means
    they coagulate into bigger clumps, which are much easier to skim off.

    Well thank you for that. It may well be that when I saw the original
    program this was what had occurred. I read a lot about cookery - and
    especially about foundation things like stocks and sauces, and even my
    small Escoffier Stocks & Sauces book (which I use quite a lot)
    doesn't tell me this. It does make sense though.

    There is one thing I do though: and that is I put the onion skins
    into the stock along with the onions - and this gives a nice deep
    colour and deeper flavour. If you are interested, my recipe is for 2
    chicken carcases and one roughly chopped brown onion including the
    skin, 2 chopped med. carrots, the green leafy part of one leek,two
    stalks of celery chopped, a few brown mushrooms - if I have them on
    hand - 3 or 4 medium tomatoes, a curl or two of lemon zest, two stalks
    of fresh thyme (I am lucky to have this in my garden all year round!),
    two fresh bay leaves (and I have that as well!) 6 peppercorns and one
    clove peeled garlic. My stockpot is is about 15 inches high - well
    it was purchased as a pot to boil pasta in!

    This recipe yields very concentrated strong stock to which I can add
    the same quantity of water when I want to make soup or whatever. It
    is wonderfully flavourful in risotto dishes - as you can imagine.

    Cheers - and good cooking!

    The Golfer's Wife

  19. "David Scheidt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The wrote:
    :Thanks to all who replied. I make my stock according to Wolfgang
    :Puck's stock recipe which I saw on TV a couple of years ago. He made
    :the point I remember of saying it was essential to scoop off the
    :initial scum which arrives when the chicken bones finally come to the
    :boil (there are no vegetables or herbs in at this time). I use one of
    :those Chinese round flattish sieve things.

    : If I brought the initial stockpot of chicken bones in cold water
    :slowly it would take forever!

    You'd get better results, though. Slow heating gives the soluable or
    partly soluable proteins time to escape the meat solids. That means
    they coagulate into bigger clumps, which are much easier to skim off.


    That's a bunch more scientific than I would get, but it's what I do, and my
    stock is great--very clear. I make it with bones and skin but sometimes
    with nothing but roasted meat, and the latter is my favorite. I have to get
    some of Jill's imaginary 29-cent a pound chicken to waste that much meat.
    (Actually, I do it with 49-79-cent leg quarters.)

  20. cybercat said:

    "David Scheidt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The wrote:
    :Thanks to all who replied. I make my stock according to Wolfgang
    :Puck's stock recipe which I saw on TV a couple of years ago. He made
    :the point I remember of saying it was essential to scoop off the
    :initial scum which arrives when the chicken bones finally come to the
    :boil (there are no vegetables or herbs in at this time). I use one of
    :those Chinese round flattish sieve things.

    : If I brought the initial stockpot of chicken bones in cold water
    :slowly it would take forever!

    You'd get better results, though. Slow heating gives the soluable or
    partly soluable proteins time to escape the meat solids. That means
    they coagulate into bigger clumps, which are much easier to skim off.


    That's a bunch more scientific than I would get, but it's what I do, and my
    stock is great--very clear. I make it with bones and skin but sometimes
    with nothing but roasted meat, and the latter is my favorite. I have to get
    some of Jill's imaginary 29-cent a pound chicken to waste that much meat.
    (Actually, I do it with 49-79-cent leg quarters.)

    Whatever. I've seen chicken that cheap. You sound like Sheldon.

    --

    Sarah Gray

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