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  1. I recently bought a yogurt maker, and have used it about a half dozen
    times. I'm having a problem reusing one batch of yogurt starter for
    the next. The instructions warned me that after a few batches the
    starter would get "tired," and I would have to start over with
    commercial starter. That would be fine, but the starter is not
    lasting for a few batches. The first time I use it the result is
    thinner than the original; the second time it's unusable.

    I'm following the directions I got, but they're vague. I wonder if
    I'm doing something wrong. I put a half cup of each new batch in a
    separate clean container, which I store in the fridge next to the
    regular container. When I make the next batch I stir in the half cup
    just before I put the batch in the yogurt maker.

    Any ideas?

  2. "Jonathan Sachs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I recently bought a yogurt maker, and have used it about a half dozen
    times. I'm having a problem reusing one batch of yogurt starter for
    the next. The instructions warned me that after a few batches the
    starter would get "tired," and I would have to start over with
    commercial starter. That would be fine, but the starter is not
    lasting for a few batches. The first time I use it the result is
    thinner than the original; the second time it's unusable.

    I'm following the directions I got, but they're vague. I wonder if
    I'm doing something wrong. I put a half cup of each new batch in a
    separate clean container, which I store in the fridge next to the
    regular container. When I make the next batch I stir in the half cup
    just before I put the batch in the yogurt maker.

    Any ideas?

    Yes. Others may differ. This is my fool-proof way. (I tried the
    half-cup -- forget it; 5 teaspoons total is enough)

    Don't bother using your just-made yogurt for a starter.
    Buy a good brand of yogurt from the grocery store. Look at the date. It
    should last a couple of weeks.

    Heat your milk to no higher than 110. Shoot for between 100-110. I do this
    in a quart pyrex bowl for 2min30seconds in my microwave.

    Into a separate very small bowl, put 2 teaspoons of yogurt and enough milk
    to dissolve it.

    Pour this mixture back into the 2 qt. heated milk, and stir well.

    Put in 3 teaspoons of yogurt into this same very small bowl with enough milk
    from the 2 qt. heated milk (that now has a bit of yogurt in it) to dissolve
    it.

    Pour this back into the 2 qt. heated milk and stir well.

    Pour into you yogurt maker.

    Mine takes about 8 hours.

  3. Dee wrote on Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:47:46 -0400:

    DD> "Jonathan Sachs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    ??>> I recently bought a yogurt maker, and have used it about a
    ??>> half dozen times. I'm having a problem reusing one batch
    ??>> of yogurt starter for the next. The instructions warned

    DD> Yes. Others may differ. This is my fool-proof way. (I
    DD> tried the half-cup -- forget it; 5 teaspoons total is
    DD> enough)

    DD> Don't bother using your just-made yogurt for a starter.
    DD> Buy a good brand of yogurt from the grocery store. Look at
    DD> the date. It should last a couple of weeks.

    Store bought yoghurt is usually un-pasteurized but do check if
    you expect success.

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    E-mail, with obvious alterations:
    not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

  4. Jonathan Sachs said:

    I recently bought a yogurt maker, and have used it about a half dozen
    times. I'm having a problem reusing one batch of yogurt starter for
    the next. The instructions warned me that after a few batches the
    starter would get "tired," and I would have to start over with
    commercial starter. That would be fine, but the starter is not
    lasting for a few batches. The first time I use it the result is
    thinner than the original; the second time it's unusable.

    I'm following the directions I got, but they're vague. I wonder if
    I'm doing something wrong. I put a half cup of each new batch in a
    separate clean container, which I store in the fridge next to the
    regular container. When I make the next batch I stir in the half cup
    just before I put the batch in the yogurt maker.

    There are worse things than thin yogurt, like putting [censored] in it to
    thicken it. If you are adding powdered milk, then your yogurt is way
    inferior to what you buy at the store.
    Powdered milk tastes like [censored], and yogurt made from it is crappy
    too. Crappy ingredients in = crappy result out. Anyone who says
    otherwise is full of [censored].

    If you are not putting any crappy ingredients into the mix,
    congratulations. If you really need to thicken the yogurt, you're far
    better off using vegetable gums or gelatin than powdered milk. At
    least those don't taste as much like [censored].

    Quoted message said:


    Any ideas?

    --Bryan
    http://www.TheBonobos.com

  5. On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:47:46 -0400, "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Don't bother using your just-made yogurt for a starter.
    Buy a good brand of yogurt from the grocery store. Look at the date. It
    should last a couple of weeks.

    That's puzzling to me. It seems self-defeating. I bought the yogurt
    maker to avoid having to pay outrageous prices for store-bought
    yogurt; it doesn't make sense to have to buy yogurt in order to use
    it.

    I haven't worked out the numbers, but I would think that doing it that
    way would cost at least as much as using commercial starter for each
    batch.

    On another point, my yogurt maker's instructions said to heat the milk
    to just below boiling and let it cool off to about 100°F. You said
    you warm it to that temperature, no higher. Why do you do it that
    way? Do you have problems with "wild" bacteria?

  6. "Jonathan Sachs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:47:46 -0400, "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Don't bother using your just-made yogurt for a starter.
    Buy a good brand of yogurt from the grocery store. Look at the date. It
    should last a couple of weeks.

    That's puzzling to me. It seems self-defeating. I bought the yogurt
    maker to avoid having to pay outrageous prices for store-bought
    yogurt; it doesn't make sense to have to buy yogurt in order to use
    it.

    I haven't worked out the numbers, but I would think that doing it that
    way would cost at least as much as using commercial starter for each
    batch.

    How often do you plan on making yogurt?

  7. "Jonathan Sachs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:47:46 -0400, "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Don't bother using your just-made yogurt for a starter.
    Buy a good brand of yogurt from the grocery store. Look at the date. It
    should last a couple of weeks.

    That's puzzling to me. It seems self-defeating. I bought the yogurt
    maker to avoid having to pay outrageous prices for store-bought
    yogurt; it doesn't make sense to have to buy yogurt in order to use
    it.

    I haven't worked out the numbers, but I would think that doing it that
    way would cost at least as much as using commercial starter for each
    batch.

    On another point, my yogurt maker's instructions said to heat the milk
    to just below boiling and let it cool off to about 100°F. You said
    you warm it to that temperature, no higher. Why do you do it that
    way? Do you have problems with "wild" bacteria?

  8. "Jonathan Sachs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:47:46 -0400, "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Don't bother using your just-made yogurt for a starter.
    Buy a good brand of yogurt from the grocery store. Look at the date. It
    should last a couple of weeks.

    That's puzzling to me. It seems self-defeating. I bought the yogurt
    maker to avoid having to pay outrageous prices for store-bought
    yogurt; it doesn't make sense to have to buy yogurt in order to use
    it.

    It works for me, when other methods are too if-fy. Using 5 teaspoons out of
    a container of yogurt doesn't seem costly to me to make a quart of yogurt;
    if it does fail, then you've lost your milk, too; unless you find another
    use for it.

    5 teaspoons each time out of the price of a large container of yoghurt - you
    do the math. How many teaspoons can you get? A lot.
    I probably buy the most pricy of yogurts, and I consider it thrifty.

    If you don't use all of the container of yogurt in its date stamp time, eat
    it. If your method doesn't work, you've lost the cost of the milk, also.

    Quoted message said:


    I haven't worked out the numbers, but I would think that doing it that
    way would cost at least as much as using commercial starter for each
    batch.

    I've tried commercial starter. I don't like it; it gives inconsistent
    results. And I waste the milk I use if it doesn't work. I want a
    tried-and-true method.

    Quoted message said:


    On another point, my yogurt maker's instructions said to heat the milk
    to just below boiling and let it cool off to about 100°F. You said
    you warm it to that temperature, no higher. Why do you do it that
    way? Do you have problems with "wild" bacteria?

    Perhaps your instructions want you to heat to just below boiling point so
    that you will be sure to have pasteurized milk. I believe pasteurized milk
    is about 170º. I do it the way I do it because it works. Also I don't
    want my milk pasteurized because I use raw milk. But pasteurizing your milk
    should not be a concern as you probably are already using pasteurized milk.

    I don't know about problems with wild bacteria.

    HTH,
    Dee Dee

  9. JoeSpareBedroom said:

    How often do you plan on making yogurt?

    When I'm running out. It varies over time. Currently about once a
    week.

  10. "Jonathan Sachs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    How often do you plan on making yogurt?

    When I'm running out. It varies over time. Currently about once a
    week.

    OK. If you don't contaminate the container of store-bought yogurt with a
    dirty spoon or gazelle hair, it'll last at least a couple of weeks, probably
    longer. What does an 8 oz cup cost, and how many "doses" of starter will it
    provide?

    To me, the math says that cup of yogurt is economical as a starter.

  11. On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:01:46 -0400, "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    5 teaspoons each time out of the price of a large container of yoghurt - you
    do the math. How many teaspoons can you get? A lot.
    I probably buy the most pricy of yogurts, and I consider it thrifty.

    192 teaspoons, which is enough for 38.4 batches, if the yogurt lasts
    that long. If it lasts two weeks and I can time everything right,
    I'll get to make two batches before I have to throw out any of the
    yogurt that I haven't used. If I slip, I'll probably get one batch.
    So I'll end up buying commercial yogurt 1/3 to 1/2 of the time.

    When I have time I'll do the math and see which would be cheaper, that
    technique or using the commercial starter.

    Maybe I don't need a whole package of commercial starter to make a
    batch. I'll experiment with that.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Jonathan Sachs said:

    I recently bought a yogurt maker, and have used it about a half dozen
    times. I'm having a problem reusing one batch of yogurt starter for
    the next. The instructions warned me that after a few batches the
    starter would get "tired," and I would have to start over with
    commercial starter. That would be fine, but the starter is not
    lasting for a few batches. The first time I use it the result is
    thinner than the original; the second time it's unusable.

    I'm following the directions I got, but they're vague. I wonder if
    I'm doing something wrong. I put a half cup of each new batch in a
    separate clean container, which I store in the fridge next to the
    regular container. When I make the next batch I stir in the half cup
    just before I put the batch in the yogurt maker.

    Any ideas?

    Might be your starter.

    We used unflavored Dannon "live culture" yogurt.

    Worked for us for many, many batches just passaging it over.

    But, we did not use a "yogurt maker". We used a one gallon jar and a
    styrofoam ice chest full of hot hot tap water.
    --
    Peace, Om

    Remove both _ (underscores) to validate gmail e-mails.

    "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." -- Steve Rothstein

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Jonathan Sachs said:

    On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:47:46 -0400, "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Don't bother using your just-made yogurt for a starter.
    Buy a good brand of yogurt from the grocery store. Look at the date. It
    should last a couple of weeks.

    That's puzzling to me. It seems self-defeating. I bought the yogurt
    maker to avoid having to pay outrageous prices for store-bought
    yogurt; it doesn't make sense to have to buy yogurt in order to use
    it.

    I haven't worked out the numbers, but I would think that doing it that
    way would cost at least as much as using commercial starter for each
    batch.

    On another point, my yogurt maker's instructions said to heat the milk
    to just below boiling and let it cool off to about 100°F. You said
    you warm it to that temperature, no higher. Why do you do it that
    way? Do you have problems with "wild" bacteria?

    Our water heater is set to 120 degrees.
    Mom only ever used a double recipe of powdered milk and the live Dannon
    culture to start, and 1/2 to 1 cup of the "made" yogurt from then on
    with the hottest tap water for the milk, and the surrounding heat source
    in a styrofoam ice chest to surround the gallon of milk in a glass jar.
    24 hours later, we had a gallon of rich, thick yogurt she then stuck in
    the 'frige.

    I think that some people make it more complicated than it has to be.

    <shrugs>

    Worked for us anyway. As always, YMMV...
    --
    Peace, Om

    Remove both _ (underscores) to validate gmail e-mails.

    "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." -- Steve Rothstein

  14. Jonathan Sachs said:

    I recently bought a yogurt maker, and have used it about a half dozen
    times. I'm having a problem reusing one batch of yogurt starter for
    the next. The instructions warned me that after a few batches the
    starter would get "tired," and I would have to start over with
    commercial starter. That would be fine, but the starter is not
    lasting for a few batches. The first time I use it the result is
    thinner than the original; the second time it's unusable.

    I'm following the directions I got, but they're vague. I wonder if
    I'm doing something wrong. I put a half cup of each new batch in a
    separate clean container, which I store in the fridge next to the
    regular container. When I make the next batch I stir in the half cup
    just before I put the batch in the yogurt maker.

    Any ideas?

    I haven't made any yogurt in a couple of months, but I use commercial
    "fruit on bottom" yogurt (before stirring it) as a first starter. I
    make the yogurt in an insulated 1 liter mug, and when it's about empty I
    just fill it up with heated milk and stir, using the leftovers of the
    previous batch for a starter. After 4 or 5 generations, I'm usually
    tired of yogurt and stop making it for a while.

    Scalding the milk and letting it cool to 110° seems to produce a thicker
    yogurt. I'm not sure why; probably has to do with denaturing the milk
    proteins more than killing any competing bacteria.

    Best regards,
    Bob

  15. "Jonathan Sachs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:01:46 -0400, "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    5 teaspoons each time out of the price of a large container of yoghurt -
    you
    do the math. How many teaspoons can you get? A lot.
    I probably buy the most pricy of yogurts, and I consider it thrifty.

    192 teaspoons, which is enough for 38.4 batches, if the yogurt lasts
    that long. If it lasts two weeks and I can time everything right,
    I'll get to make two batches before I have to throw out any of the
    yogurt that I haven't used. If I slip, I'll probably get one batch.
    So I'll end up buying commercial yogurt 1/3 to 1/2 of the time.

    When I have time I'll do the math and see which would be cheaper, that
    technique or using the commercial starter.

    Maybe I don't need a whole package of commercial starter to make a
    batch. I'll experiment with that.

    So, buy the 1 cup size of plain yogurt. $0.89 or something like that?

  16. I said:

    When I have time I'll do the math and see which would be cheaper, that
    technique or using the commercial starter.

    An 8 oz cup of yogurt costs $0.89 and will start two batches before it
    gets old. Cost per batch: $0.45.

    A box of starter contains six packets and costs about $3.00. Cost per
    batch: $0.50.

    It's not enough difference to matter -- unless I find that I can make
    yogurt with less than a whole packet of starter, which would make the
    starter considerably cheaper.

    I did learn something. I never realized that you could buy plain
    yogurt in the little cups.

  17. "Jonathan Sachs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    I said:

    When I have time I'll do the math and see which would be cheaper, that
    technique or using the commercial starter.

    An 8 oz cup of yogurt costs $0.89 and will start two batches before it
    gets old. Cost per batch: $0.45.

    A box of starter contains six packets and costs about $3.00. Cost per
    batch: $0.50.

    It's not enough difference to matter -- unless I find that I can make
    yogurt with less than a whole packet of starter, which would make the
    starter considerably cheaper.

    I did learn something. I never realized that you could buy plain
    yogurt in the little cups.

    ??? How old are you? How many years have you shopping for food?

  18. Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Jonathan Sachs said:

    I recently bought a yogurt maker, and have used it about a half dozen
    times. I'm having a problem reusing one batch of yogurt starter for
    the next. The instructions warned me that after a few batches the
    starter would get "tired," and I would have to start over with
    commercial starter. That would be fine, but the starter is not
    lasting for a few batches. The first time I use it the result is
    thinner than the original; the second time it's unusable.

    I'm following the directions I got, but they're vague. I wonder if
    I'm doing something wrong. I put a half cup of each new batch in a
    separate clean container, which I store in the fridge next to the
    regular container. When I make the next batch I stir in the half cup
    just before I put the batch in the yogurt maker.

    Any ideas?

    Might be your starter.

    We used unflavored Dannon "live culture" yogurt.

    Worked for us for many, many batches just passaging it over.

    But, we did not use a "yogurt maker". We used a one gallon jar and a
    styrofoam ice chest full of hot hot tap water.

    I used unflavored Dannon live culture yogurt and a sterile one gallon
    jar, incubated over night in an old fashioned oven with a pilot light
    (about 100 degrees). Pour off the water in the morning (or add it to
    the dogs' breakfasts) and refrigerate.

  19. On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:47:46 -0400, "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Buy a good brand of yogurt from the grocery store. Look at the date. It
    should last a couple of weeks.

    The "good brand" needs to be gelatin free and "natural".

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  20. On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:40:12 -0700, Bobo Bonobo® <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    If you really need to thicken the yogurt, you're far
    better off using vegetable gums or gelatin tha

    hahahaha! you're such a kidder

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