Buses

Tony Raven said:

After cyclist Bridgette Panormo was killed in Portsmouth by being
dragged across a roundabout by a bus that drove over her, a passenger
has now been killed after being dragged under a bus for a mile.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7035041.stm

<sharp intake of breath>

"The [bendy] bus, operated by East London Buses, has been seized and
will undergo an examination. A Transport for London spokesperson said
the London bus network has an excellent safety record. "Fatalities are
extremely rare - one fatality for every 100 million miles operated,"
she said"

Maybe - but is the same true of those bendy-buses?

On 09/10/2007 19:47, Tony Raven said,

Quoted message said:

After cyclist Bridgette Panormo was killed in Portsmouth by being
dragged across a roundabout by a bus that drove over her, a passenger
has now been killed after being dragged under a bus for a mile.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7035041.stm

Yeuch. But how? Surely the wheels would have rolled over the bloke.
Well, obviously not, but it seems a bit odd unless the reporting is less
than accurate.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Tony Raven said:

After cyclist Bridgette Panormo was killed in Portsmouth by being
dragged across a roundabout by a bus that drove over her, a passenger
has now been killed after being dragged under a bus for a mile.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7035041.stm

Are we now going to post links to every road death in the UK?

--
Mike
Van Tuyl titanium Dura ace 10
Fausto Coppi aluminium Ultegra 10
Raleigh Record sprint mongrel
Huissoon project bike (in bits, natch)

On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:51:47 +0100, JNugent wrote
(in article <[email hidden]>😉:

Quoted message said:

Tony Raven said:

After cyclist Bridgette Panormo was killed in Portsmouth by being
dragged across a roundabout by a bus that drove over her, a passenger
has now been killed after being dragged under a bus for a mile.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7035041.stm

<sharp intake of breath>

"Fatalities are
extremely rare - one fatality for every 100 million miles operated,"
she said"

Hmm. Doesn't sound quite so rare when you re-phrase that as "7 and a half
deaths a year"

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simonk

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:12:06 +0100, David Martin wrote
(in article <[email hidden]>😉:

Quoted message said:

simonk said:

Hmm. Doesn't sound quite so rare when you re-phrase that as "7 and a half
deaths a year"

Half a death? Howzat happen then?

I think last Sunday's hangover probably counts

--
simonk

simonk said:

Hmm. Doesn't sound quite so rare when you re-phrase that as "7 and a half
deaths a year"

Half a death? Howzat happen then?

David Martin said the following on 10/10/2007 09:12:

Quoted message said:

simonk said:

Hmm. Doesn't sound quite so rare when you re-phrase that as "7 and a half
deaths a year"

Half a death? Howzat happen then?

It's how I feel this morning :-)

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

On 9 Oct, 19:51, JNugent <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"The [bendy] bus, operated by East London Buses, has been seized and
will undergo an examination. A Transport for London spokesperson said
the London bus network has an excellent safety record. "Fatalities are
extremely rare - one fatality for every 100 million miles operated,"
she said"

Maybe - but is the same true of those bendy-buses?

Some stats came out a few months ago showing they were twice as likely
to injure people as stiff buses. TFL reckoned this could be at least
partly due to them being used more in busy areas.

Tony Raven said:

After cyclist Bridgette Panormo was killed in Portsmouth by being
dragged across a roundabout by a bus that drove over her, a passenger
has now been killed after being dragged under a bus for a mile.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7035041.stm

Obviously a death is always regrettable and unsafe vehicles should be
banned, but how many deaths a year do buses of all types PREVENT by
keeping millions out of cars? Would you rather cycle down a road with
bendy buses, or a road with all the bendy bus passengers driving cars?

Brian.

Brian Robertson [email protected] said:

Would you rather cycle down a road with bendy buses, or a road with
all the bendy bus passengers driving cars?

But those are not the only options. E.g. why not have double decker
busses instead of bendy busses?

Brian Robertson [email protected] said:

Tony Raven said:

After cyclist Bridgette Panormo was killed in Portsmouth by being
dragged across a roundabout by a bus that drove over her, a passenger
has now been killed after being dragged under a bus for a mile.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7035041.stm

Obviously a death is always regrettable and unsafe vehicles should be
banned, but how many deaths a year do buses of all types PREVENT by
keeping millions out of cars? Would you rather cycle down a road with
bendy buses, or a road with all the bendy bus passengers driving cars?

Brian.

cars every time! no seriously bus drivers are bloody awful in most part,
cars certinaly in numbers tend to be slow or jamed up not a problem.

roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com

Roger Merriman said:

cars every time! no seriously bus drivers are bloody awful in most part,

Highly variable IME. Locally there are 3 flavours and my anecdotal,
unquantified assessment is Stagecoach drivers are more likely to pass
bothersomely close than Travel Dundee or Strathtay, and while there are
exceptions TD and ST are both pretty good at giving me space and
consideration.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peter Clinch said:

Roger Merriman said:

cars every time! no seriously bus drivers are bloody awful in most part,

Highly variable IME. Locally there are 3 flavours and my anecdotal,
unquantified assessment is Stagecoach drivers are more likely to pass
bothersomely close than Travel Dundee or Strathtay, and while there are
exceptions TD and ST are both pretty good at giving me space and
consideration.

Pete.

sure, it's like inspite of the fact that nr my folks bikes on the road
are rare site, you get a lot more room than on the edge of london, but
then the roads are fairly light traffic even at rush hour.

roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com

(Roger Merriman) said:

Brian Robertson [email protected] said:

Tony Raven said:

After cyclist Bridgette Panormo was killed in Portsmouth by being
dragged across a roundabout by a bus that drove over her, a passenger
has now been killed after being dragged under a bus for a mile.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7035041.stm

Quoted message said:

Obviously a death is always regrettable and unsafe vehicles should be
banned, but how many deaths a year do buses of all types PREVENT by
keeping millions out of cars? Would you rather cycle down a road with
bendy buses, or a road with all the bendy bus passengers driving cars?

Quoted message said:

Brian.

cars every time! no seriously bus drivers are bloody awful in most part,
cars certinaly in numbers tend to be slow or jamed up not a problem.

roger
--www.rogermerriman.com

Weeell, when the accident rates for bendy buses came out there was
shock and horror, but IMO discounting the roads used by these- tight
urban City roman layout roads, loads of peds and cyclists- may have
skewed the figures.

What I mean is saying bendy buses are more dangerous to pedestrians
than buses that travel on motorways is a glaring schoolboy howler
you'd expect a pro-speeding lobby group to come out with.

I don't think bendy buses are more dangerous per mile travelled, but I
stand to be corrected, as the man said in the orthopaedic shoes.

spindrift said:

(Roger Merriman) said:

Brian Robertson [email protected] said:

Tony Raven wrote:
> After cyclist Bridgette Panormo was killed in Portsmouth by being
> dragged across a roundabout by a bus that drove over her, a passenger
> has now been killed after being dragged under a bus for a mile.
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7035041.stm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Obviously a death is always regrettable and unsafe vehicles should be
banned, but how many deaths a year do buses of all types PREVENT by
keeping millions out of cars? Would you rather cycle down a road with
bendy buses, or a road with all the bendy bus passengers driving cars?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Brian.

Quoted message said:

cars every time! no seriously bus drivers are bloody awful in most part,
cars certinaly in numbers tend to be slow or jamed up not a problem.

Quoted message said:

roger
--www.rogermerriman.com

Weeell, when the accident rates for bendy buses came out there was
shock and horror, but IMO discounting the roads used by these- tight
urban City roman layout roads, loads of peds and cyclists- may have
skewed the figures.

What I mean is saying bendy buses are more dangerous to pedestrians
than buses that travel on motorways is a glaring schoolboy howler
you'd expect a pro-speeding lobby group to come out with.

I don't think bendy buses are more dangerous per mile travelled, but I
stand to be corrected, as the man said in the orthopaedic shoes

The only way to make a correct and meaningful comparisson would be to
make a study of the accident rate of bendy busses against the busses
that they replaced, on the same routes.

David Lloyd (at work)

David Lloyd said:

spindrift said:

I don't think bendy buses are more dangerous per mile travelled, but I
stand to be corrected, as the man said in the orthopaedic shoes

The only way to make a correct and meaningful comparisson would be to
make a study of the accident rate of bendy busses against the busses
that they replaced, on the same routes.

I'm not sure about traffic "accidents", but of the entire previous fleet
of Routemasters, totalling about 2900 vehicles, 3 were destroyed by
fires in 45 years. Out of the current "Ken's chariots of fire"
(bendy-buses), of which there are about 120, so far, 5 have been
destroyed by fire in 3 years.

<http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414664-details/New%20bendy%20bus%20blaze%20scare/article.do?expand=true>

--
Matt B

David Martin said:

simonk said:

Hmm. Doesn't sound quite so rare when you re-phrase that as "7 and a half
deaths a year"

Half a death? Howzat happen then?

Something to do with Whiskas, opening boxes and collapsed wavefunctions.

Roger Merriman said:

Brian Robertson [email protected] said:

Tony Raven said:

After cyclist Bridgette Panormo was killed in Portsmouth by being
dragged across a roundabout by a bus that drove over her, a passenger
has now been killed after being dragged under a bus for a mile.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7035041.stm

Obviously a death is always regrettable and unsafe vehicles should be
banned, but how many deaths a year do buses of all types PREVENT by
keeping millions out of cars? Would you rather cycle down a road with
bendy buses, or a road with all the bendy bus passengers driving cars?

Brian.

cars every time! no seriously bus drivers are bloody awful in most part,
cars certinaly in numbers tend to be slow or jamed up not a problem.

roger

Hmmmmmm...... You are talking to the wrong person on this one. I am a
bus driver and a cyclist.

Brian.

PS And I work for Stagecoach!

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:11:42 +0100, Brian Robertson wrote
(in article <[email hidden]>😉:

Quoted message said:

Tony Raven said:

After cyclist Bridgette Panormo was killed in Portsmouth by being
dragged across a roundabout by a bus that drove over her, a passenger
has now been killed after being dragged under a bus for a mile.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7035041.stm

Obviously a death is always regrettable and unsafe vehicles should be
banned, but how many deaths a year do buses of all types PREVENT by
keeping millions out of cars? Would you rather cycle down a road with
bendy buses, or a road with all the bendy bus passengers driving cars?

The latter - the cars would all be stationary!

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simonk