low carb diets

And you are giving advice about low carb dieting why ? Since it appears you
have never been on one or read a book about it you certainly have no
business talking out of your ass about it.

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I generally don't try fad diets, but I do know several people that
have tried a low-carb diets. I read that this diets lead to short
term weight loss instead of long term weight loss. These people did
experience weight loss, however it was mostly loss of water rather
than fat. The weight was regained with in a short time frame because
the diet was to restrictive. I found the most important thing to
consider when starting low carb diets, is to remember the difference
between simple and complex carbohydrates. Simple carbohydrates are
found in candies, concentrated beverages... and these carbohydrates
generally cause a quick burst of energy and are burned off rather
quickly. Where as complex carbohydrates, found in whole grain
products, beans... are broken down by the body at a more slower pace
and lead to satiety. We all need fiber, about 30+ grams a day, for
cholesterol control and bowel regulation, so it is important not to
eliminate complex carbohydrates from the diet. Remember, weight loss
of 1-2# per week is recommended. I try to set a goal of 10% weight
loss with in 6 mths. Consider contacting a Registered Dietitian or go
to the American Dietetic Association's website at www.eatright.org.
Good luck.

PB said:

And you are giving advice about low carb dieting why ? Since it appears you
have never been on one or read a book about it you certainly have no
business talking out of your ass about it.

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I generally don't try fad diets, but I do know several people that
have tried a low-carb diets. I read that this diets lead to short
term weight loss instead of long term weight loss. These people did
experience weight loss, however it was mostly loss of water rather
than fat. The weight was regained with in a short time frame because
the diet was to restrictive. I found the most important thing to
consider when starting low carb diets, is to remember the difference
between simple and complex carbohydrates. Simple carbohydrates are
found in candies, concentrated beverages... and these carbohydrates
generally cause a quick burst of energy and are burned off rather
quickly. Where as complex carbohydrates, found in whole grain
products, beans... are broken down by the body at a more slower pace
and lead to satiety. We all need fiber, about 30+ grams a day, for
cholesterol control and bowel regulation, so it is important not to
eliminate complex carbohydrates from the diet. Remember, weight loss
of 1-2# per week is recommended. I try to set a goal of 10% weight
loss with in 6 mths. Consider contacting a Registered Dietitian or go
to the American Dietetic Association's website atwww.eatright.org.
Good luck.- Hide quoted text -

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Well actually, I am a Registered Dietian. So, s/p undergraduate and
graduate school, I do know what I am talking about. Maybe, if you
were not over weight, you would not have to worry, like me, about
lossing weight. But, keep up the weight gain, thanks to you I will
always have a a career. (smile)

PB said:

And you are giving advice about low carb dieting why ? Since it appears you
have never been on one or read a book about it you certainly have no
business talking out of your ass about it.

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I generally don't try fad diets, but I do know several people that
have tried a low-carb diets. I read that this diets lead to short
term weight loss instead of long term weight loss. These people did
experience weight loss, however it was mostly loss of water rather
than fat. The weight was regained with in a short time frame because
the diet was to restrictive. I found the most important thing to
consider when starting low carb diets, is to remember the difference
between simple and complex carbohydrates. Simple carbohydrates are
found in candies, concentrated beverages... and these carbohydrates
generally cause a quick burst of energy and are burned off rather
quickly. Where as complex carbohydrates, found in whole grain
products, beans... are broken down by the body at a more slower pace
and lead to satiety. We all need fiber, about 30+ grams a day, for
cholesterol control and bowel regulation, so it is important not to
eliminate complex carbohydrates from the diet. Remember, weight loss
of 1-2# per week is recommended. I try to set a goal of 10% weight
loss with in 6 mths. Consider contacting a Registered Dietitian or go
to the American Dietetic Association's website atwww.eatright.org.
Good luck.- Hide quoted text -

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Well actually, I am a Registered Dietian. So, s/p undergraduate and
graduate school, I do know what I am talking about. Maybe, if you
were not over weight, you would not have to worry, like me, about
lossing weight. But, keep up the weight gain, thanks to you I will
always have a a career. (smile)

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I generally don't try fad diets, but I do know several people that
have tried a low-carb diets.

You imply that low-carb is a fad diet. It isn't. Some specific LC
plans may be fads, but LC in general has been around for a long time.

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I read that this diets lead to short term weight loss instead of
long term weight loss.

What you read is wrong, aside from the generalization that ANY diet
leads to short term weight loss if you only do it for a short term,
then go back to your old way of eating.

When you LC, you lose all the water weight the first week or two.
That's it. Any loss after that is fat. If you go back to high carb,
you gain the water back right away, but not the fat (right away, at
least). That's why it's important to stick to your diet (any diet)
long enough to see what the long-term results are.

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These people did experience weight loss, however it was mostly loss
of water rather than fat.

Sigh. Many diets start with water loss, which is quickly regained if
you go back to your old ways. At most, this is going to be 8-10 lbs.
If you lose 50 lbs, you can't say that's water weight.

The successful diets are the ones you can stick with long past the
inital water loss, because loss after that is fat stores, not water.
LC promotes this by suppressing hunger, allowing you to eat less
without feeling hungry all the time.

Well actually, I am a Registered Dietian. So, s/p undergraduate and

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graduate school, I do know what I am talking about. Maybe, if you
were not over weight, you would not have to worry, like me, about
lossing weight. But, keep up the weight gain, thanks to you I will
always have a a career. (smile)

Well actually I am a nurse and I share my office at work with our
Registered Dietitian, so what? (SMILE)
You are still here telling everyone your way is best when you seem to know
very little about how the actual diet works.
Why would you assume I am fat and unable to lose weight? Because I choose
not to follow the same prattle about diet and nutrition we were taught years
ago in training?
Why is it then that we are treating more and more younger bariatric patients
in long term care with out of control diabetes because they cannot follow
the strictures of a high carb low fat diet? My own mother believes it is
okay to eat sugar because her Dr. told her it was and her DM has been out of
control for over a year now.
I lost 60 pounds eating that way several years ago until I stalled and was
unable to lose any more without starving myself at 1100 calories a day.
I have lost three clothing sizes in the last three months eating this way.
Plus my Irritable Bowel symptoms are pretty much gone. I eat more veggies
now then I did following a low fat high carb diet I also eat fruit.
I can only assume that you believe like everyone else who has never taken
the time to actually research the Atkins diet that we eat only meat and
eggs. Get a clue.

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Registered Dietian. So, s/p undergraduate and

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graduate school, I do know what I am talking about. Maybe, if you
were not over weight, you would not have to worry, like me, about
lossing weight. But, keep up the weight gain, thanks to you I will
always have a a career. (smile)

Uh huh, sure you are. LOL You're *lossing* all credibility with this
post.

Cheri

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Well actually, I am a Registered Dietian. So, s/p undergraduate and
graduate school, I do know what I am talking about. Maybe, if you
were not over weight, you would not have to worry, like me, about
lossing weight. But, keep up the weight gain, thanks to you I will
always have a a career. (smile)

See, your problem is, you didn't research the Atkins Diet before you spouted
off about it. Your initial post shows several inaccuracies,
misunderstandings, and other goofy things. Now, be a good Dietitian (How
can we even believe you are something you cannot spell?) and learn something
before you shoot your mouth off. I, for one, do not believe your statement
to be a "registered dietian" because if you were one, you'd damn sure know
how to spell it! And that sentence about "lossing weight"--did you learn
that in graduate school?

Pat in TX

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Well actually, I am a Registered Dietian.

Obviously from a school with low standards!

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I do know what I am talking about.

You absolutely do not.

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Maybe, if you
were not over weight,

Overweight is one word. Maybe you were sleeping on the day they taught that.

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you would not have to worry, like me, about
lossing weight.

Lossing is not a word. Do you mean losing? Get a smell checker (sic) for
your PC and see how you fare.

C'mon, how the hell could you get through school with spelling like that? I
call BS.

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But, keep up the weight gain, thanks to you I will
always have a a career. (smile)

OK, so you're angry. Seems that you were posting to feel good about yourself
and you got called out. "Oh, oh, look at me, I'm so smart!"

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Well actually, I am a Registered Dietian.

Damn, I think I own you an apology! You're a Registered "Dietian"? I misread
that as Registered Dietician.

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I generally don't try fad diets, but I do know several people that
have tried a low-carb diets. I read that this diets lead to short
term weight loss instead of long term weight loss. These people did
experience weight loss, however it was mostly loss of water rather
than fat. The weight was regained with in a short time frame because
the diet was to restrictive.

You do lose 5-10 lbs of water when you go into ketosis. However, people
who have lost 100 lbs and more are unlikely to have just lost water.

I've been low-carbing for over a decade. I'll be sure to inform you
when it becomes too restrictive. 😉

A few years ago, I lost 50 lbs and it has stayed off. I seriously doubt
that was water.

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I found the most important thing to
consider when starting low carb diets, is to remember the difference
between simple and complex carbohydrates. Simple carbohydrates are
found in candies, concentrated beverages... and these carbohydrates
generally cause a quick burst of energy and are burned off rather
quickly. Where as complex carbohydrates, found in whole grain
products, beans... are broken down by the body at a more slower pace
and lead to satiety.

You are not distinguishing between the complex carbohydrates. Starches
are broken down in the body to sugar just the same as regular sugar is.
There's nothing particularly healthier about eating a lot of starch vs
eating a lot of sugar - biochemically, they're identical. Starch *is*
sugar.

Soluble fiber is broken down to a much lesser extent and insoluble fiber
not at all. And yes, fiber is good even though it's made of sugar -
mostly because your body doesn't break hardly any of it down.

Though research has shown that whole grains are healthier than processed
grains, very few people eat whole grains. This research is used to sell
[censored] like Cheerios, which is not a whole grain.

HINT: a whole grain is a seed. If you can take it out in the garden and
plant it and it grows, it's a whole grain. Cereals and breads don't
qualify - they are processed grains, not whole grains. Whole grains are
wheat berries, barley, brown rice, whole (not cut) oats, whole kernels
of corn, etc. Most whole grains are not even sold in supermarkets -
I've never seen a wheat berry in a grocery store.

Further, fruits and vegetables are a much healthier source of fiber than
even the whole grains as they contain gobs more vitamins, flavanoids and
phytochemicals than grains.

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We all need fiber, about 30+ grams a day, for
cholesterol control and bowel regulation, so it is important not to
eliminate complex carbohydrates from the diet.

I eat a low-carb diet. Recently, my diet has changed a great deal, but
it remains very low in carbs, as it must because I'm diabetic.

I eat somewhere between 10-15 lbs of low-sugar fruits and nonstarchy
vegetables every week. I know this because I know how much of the stuff
I buy when I grocery shop and it's PILES of the stuff. I pretty much
plan my meals around what is in danger of going bad next as I buy almost
too much fresh produce to be able to eat. I rarely eat a meal without
it being at least half vegetables and most of my meals include small
servings of fruit also.

I get MUCH more than the 30+ grams of recommended fiber a day and WAY
more nutrition than if I replaced those foods with grains.

I pretty much primarily focus on the fresh produce as my primary carb
source and add some pasture-raised protein to each meal for the protein
and fat. Fullfat dairy (yogurt, cottage cheese, cream cheese, colby,
mozzarella), meat or eggs to each meal. I get additional fat from olive
oil, coconut oil and lard that I use for various cookign and such.

Todays meals:

breakfast: artichoke with melted butter and plain yogurt flavored with a
sugarfree syrup

lunch: eggplant casserole made with tomato sauce, mozzarella and olive
oil and a whole kiwi

dinner: leftover stirfry from last night made with sirloin, napa
cabbage, sugar snap peas, onions, tomatoes, ginger, garlic and soy sauce
and a cup of cantalope

snack: avocado

Tonight, I will cut up a head of butterhead and radicchio to make a
salad for tomorrow, and cut up a whole watermelon for the next few days.
I also have a big bunch of colored bell peppers to fry up soon. And I
need to plan to eat the blueberries shortly also. I pretty much think
of my meals in terms of fresh produce nearly exclusively.

IMO, whether someone eats low-carb or high-carb, the most important bit
is that the diet consist primarily of low-sugar fruits and nonstarchy
vegetables. These foods are very low-calorie compared to nearly
anything else you can eat and full of nutrients. This is what people
need to eat to lose weight - not Atkins bars and shakes (for
low-carbers) or Snackwells (for low-fatters).

--
http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/

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Well actually, I am a Registered Dietian. So, s/p undergraduate and
graduate school, I do know what I am talking about.

I thought while writing my previous reply that I was speaking to someone
uneducated about macronutrients. My mistake.

Please explain how the amylose and amylopectin that you recommend people
eat differs in it's use by the body from the disaccharides that you oppose.

I await your educated response.

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PB said:

And you are giving advice about low carb dieting why ? Since it appears
you
have never been on one or read a book about it you certainly have no
business talking out of your ass about it.

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I generally don't try fad diets, but I do know several people that
have tried a low-carb diets. I read that this diets lead to short
term weight loss instead of long term weight loss. These people did
experience weight loss, however it was mostly loss of water rather
than fat. The weight was regained with in a short time frame because
the diet was to restrictive. I found the most important thing to
consider when starting low carb diets, is to remember the difference
between simple and complex carbohydrates. Simple carbohydrates are
found in candies, concentrated beverages... and these carbohydrates
generally cause a quick burst of energy and are burned off rather
quickly. Where as complex carbohydrates, found in whole grain
products, beans... are broken down by the body at a more slower pace
and lead to satiety. We all need fiber, about 30+ grams a day, for
cholesterol control and bowel regulation, so it is important not to
eliminate complex carbohydrates from the diet. Remember, weight loss
of 1-2# per week is recommended. I try to set a goal of 10% weight
loss with in 6 mths. Consider contacting a Registered Dietitian or go
to the American Dietetic Association's website atwww.eatright.org.
Good luck.- Hide quoted text -

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Well actually, I am a Registered Dietian. So, s/p undergraduate and
graduate school, I do know what I am talking about. Maybe, if you
were not over weight, you would not have to worry, like me, about
lossing weight. But, keep up the weight gain, thanks to you I will
always have a a career. (smile)

This is why it is so hard to have any respect for most of these so-called
registered dietians. obviously, they let anyone into these programs.

Roger Zoul said:

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PB said:

And you are giving advice about low carb dieting why ? Since it appears
you
have never been on one or read a book about it you certainly have no
business talking out of your ass about it.

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>I generally don't try fad diets, but I do know several people that
> have tried a low-carb diets. I read that this diets lead to short
> term weight loss instead of long term weight loss. These people did
> experience weight loss, however it was mostly loss of water rather
> than fat. The weight was regained with in a short time frame because
> the diet was to restrictive. I found the most important thing to
> consider when starting low carb diets, is to remember the difference
> between simple and complex carbohydrates. Simple carbohydrates are
> found in candies, concentrated beverages... and these carbohydrates
> generally cause a quick burst of energy and are burned off rather
> quickly. Where as complex carbohydrates, found in whole grain
> products, beans... are broken down by the body at a more slower pace
> and lead to satiety. We all need fiber, about 30+ grams a day, for
> cholesterol control and bowel regulation, so it is important not to
> eliminate complex carbohydrates from the diet. Remember, weight loss
> of 1-2# per week is recommended. I try to set a goal of 10% weight
> loss with in 6 mths. Consider contacting a Registered Dietitian or go
> to the American Dietetic Association's website atwww.eatright.org.
> Good luck.- Hide quoted text -

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Well actually, I am a Registered Dietian. So, s/p undergraduate and
graduate school, I do know what I am talking about. Maybe, if you
were not over weight, you would not have to worry, like me, about
lossing weight. But, keep up the weight gain, thanks to you I will
always have a a career. (smile)

This is why it is so hard to have any respect for most of these so-called
registered dietians. obviously, they let anyone into these programs.

Personally, I don't much care who they let in -- it's who they let
out, as opposed to throw out, that concerns me.

This one, obviously, should have been thrown out.

--
BlueBrooke
254/225/135

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:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
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:::: On Sep 27, 7:37 pm, "PB" <[email hidden]> wrote:
::::: And you are giving advice about low carb dieting why ? Since it
::::: appears you
::::: have never been on one or read a book about it you certainly have
::::: no business talking out of your ass about it.
:::::
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:::::: I generally don't try fad diets, but I do know several people
:::::: that have tried a low-carb diets. I read that this diets lead
:::::: to short term weight loss instead of long term weight loss.
:::::: These people did experience weight loss, however it was mostly
:::::: loss of water rather than fat. The weight was regained with in
:::::: a short time frame because the diet was to restrictive. I found
:::::: the most important thing to consider when starting low carb
:::::: diets, is to remember the difference between simple and complex
:::::: carbohydrates. Simple carbohydrates are found in candies,
:::::: concentrated beverages... and these carbohydrates generally
:::::: cause a quick burst of energy and are burned off rather quickly.
:::::: Where as complex carbohydrates, found in whole grain products,
:::::: beans... are broken down by the body at a more slower pace and
:::::: lead to satiety. We all need fiber, about 30+ grams a day, for
:::::: cholesterol control and bowel regulation, so it is important not
:::::: to eliminate complex carbohydrates from the diet. Remember,
:::::: weight loss of 1-2# per week is recommended. I try to set a
:::::: goal of 10% weight loss with in 6 mths. Consider contacting a
:::::: Registered Dietitian or go to the American Dietetic
:::::: Association's website atwww.eatright.org. Good luck.- Hide
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:::: Well actually, I am a Registered Dietian. So, s/p undergraduate
:::: and graduate school, I do know what I am talking about. Maybe, if
:::: you were not over weight, you would not have to worry, like me,
:::: about lossing weight. But, keep up the weight gain, thanks to you
:::: I will always have a a career. (smile)
:::
::: This is why it is so hard to have any respect for most of these
::: so-called registered dietians. obviously, they let anyone into
::: these programs.
::
:: Personally, I don't much care who they let in -- it's who they let
:: out, as opposed to throw out, that concerns me.
::
:: This one, obviously, should have been thrown out.

It's a good point. Sadly, though, since they set admission standards is a
good likelihood that if you get in, you get out. It's not 100%, but the
odds are fair.

Roger Zoul said:

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:: On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:01:08 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
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:::: On Sep 27, 7:37 pm, "PB" <[email hidden]> wrote:
::::: And you are giving advice about low carb dieting why ? Since it
::::: appears you
::::: have never been on one or read a book about it you certainly have
::::: no business talking out of your ass about it.
:::::
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:::::: I generally don't try fad diets, but I do know several people
:::::: that have tried a low-carb diets. I read that this diets lead
:::::: to short term weight loss instead of long term weight loss.
:::::: These people did experience weight loss, however it was mostly
:::::: loss of water rather than fat. The weight was regained with in
:::::: a short time frame because the diet was to restrictive. I found
:::::: the most important thing to consider when starting low carb
:::::: diets, is to remember the difference between simple and complex
:::::: carbohydrates. Simple carbohydrates are found in candies,
:::::: concentrated beverages... and these carbohydrates generally
:::::: cause a quick burst of energy and are burned off rather quickly.
:::::: Where as complex carbohydrates, found in whole grain products,
:::::: beans... are broken down by the body at a more slower pace and
:::::: lead to satiety. We all need fiber, about 30+ grams a day, for
:::::: cholesterol control and bowel regulation, so it is important not
:::::: to eliminate complex carbohydrates from the diet. Remember,
:::::: weight loss of 1-2# per week is recommended. I try to set a
:::::: goal of 10% weight loss with in 6 mths. Consider contacting a
:::::: Registered Dietitian or go to the American Dietetic
:::::: Association's website atwww.eatright.org. Good luck.- Hide
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:::: Well actually, I am a Registered Dietian. So, s/p undergraduate
:::: and graduate school, I do know what I am talking about. Maybe, if
:::: you were not over weight, you would not have to worry, like me,
:::: about lossing weight. But, keep up the weight gain, thanks to you
:::: I will always have a a career. (smile)
:::
::: This is why it is so hard to have any respect for most of these
::: so-called registered dietians. obviously, they let anyone into
::: these programs.
::
:: Personally, I don't much care who they let in -- it's who they let
:: out, as opposed to throw out, that concerns me.
::
:: This one, obviously, should have been thrown out.

It's a good point. Sadly, though, since they set admission standards is a
good likelihood that if you get in, you get out. It's not 100%, but the
odds are fair.

You have to pay all of that tuition, or have it paid for you.

Money is first here too, as in nearly all things.

If you pay, you have a better chance to get what you want.

Often, you still have to go to class and do the other things required.

Roger Zoul said:

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"PB" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

And you are giving advice about low carb dieting why ? Since it appears
you have never been on one or read a book about it you certainly have no
business talking out of your ass about it.

Quoted message said:

Well actually, I am a Registered Dietian. So, s/p undergraduate and
graduate school, I do know what I am talking about. Maybe, if you
were not over weight, you would not have to worry, like me, about
lossing weight. But, keep up the weight gain, thanks to you I will
always have a a career. (smile)

This is why it is so hard to have any respect for most of these so-called
registered dietians. obviously, they let anyone into these programs.

Sometimes it seems like they only let in folks who fail basic
literacy tests. Spouting nonsense about diet plans without ever
reading the books on the topic? No wonder folks laugh at the
incompetancy shown by registered dieticians.