Bicycle Ambulance

Tom Crispin said:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LTwxxMaiYg

Nice to see. I think I've heard of something similar at various
crowded venues such as fairs etc over here but not a formal regular
service.

OTOH 15 stone of kit?

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

John Kane said:

OTOH 15 stone of kit?

15 stone? Were you watching a different video to me ? She (Nadia
Sawalaha (?) ) states "over 5 stone of kit"
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soup said:

John Kane said:

OTOH 15 stone of kit?

15 stone? Were you watching a different video to me ? She (Nadia
Sawalaha (?) ) states "over 5 stone of kit"
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Must have been the British accent !

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

soup said:

John Kane said:

OTOH 15 stone of kit?

15 stone? Were you watching a different video to me ? She (Nadia
Sawalaha (?) ) states "over 5 stone of kit"
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Actually it was a typo. Still 5 stone is a LOT of kit.

John Kane said:

Still 5 stone is a LOT of kit.

Conjecture :-
Mmm 5 stone = 70lbs Maybe someone said we have to "move" 70 lbs
meaning the bike as well and whoever wrote the script for Nadia has
taken that to mean 70lbs and the bike.

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soup said:

John Kane said:

Still 5 stone is a LOT of kit.

Conjecture :-
Mmm 5 stone = 70lbs Maybe someone said we have to "move" 70 lbs
meaning the bike as well and whoever wrote the script for Nadia has
taken that to mean 70lbs and the bike.

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Maybe they meant 5Kg - that's what my panniers normally way. Hope the
ambulance doesn't have to be dispatched to assist run-down cyclist
paramedic any time soon! :-)

Last weeks killer hill in the comic was through the west end in London
by a cycle paramedic. He had to take a considerable amount of kit
(56kg springs to mind).

...d

Tom Crispin said:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LTwxxMaiYg

Seems a bit mad if they dispatch a normal ambulance as well, plus they
only cover 5sq km? Thats an area only 2250mx2250m?! Doesnt seem a lot
when you look at the "quantity of manpower per sq km"?

soup said:

Conjecture :-
Mmm 5 stone = 70lbs Maybe someone said we have to "move" 70 lbs
meaning the bike as well and whoever wrote the script for Nadia has
taken that to mean 70lbs and the bike.

Mmm looking a wee bit more into it 5 stone of kit plus the bike seems
reasonable.
Here is a photo of the kit they carry, that is a proper oxygen cylinder
and is *£%^!*% heavy.

http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dsc05953.jpg
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Coyoteboy said:

Seems a bit mad if they dispatch a normal ambulance as well,

Think of them as really good first aiders with a really big first aid
box their job is to get there quickly and keep the casualty alive until
the ambulance gets there alternatively if (as usual) it is "just"
someone who has tripped or whatever, and that person does not require or
want hospital help, (I would imagine) they can contact the ambulance
crew and get them to abort.

Quoted message said:

plus they only cover 5sq km? Thats an area only 2250mx2250m?! Doesnt
seem a lot when you look at the "quantity of manpower per sq km"?

AIUI and going by this page :-
http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/ambcycles1.htm
There are four cyclists involved, four people in 5sq kilometers does not
seem a lot to me (especially when that 5 Km² is in central London).

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soup said:

soup said:

Conjecture :-
Mmm 5 stone = 70lbs Maybe someone said we have to "move" 70 lbs
meaning the bike as well and whoever wrote the script for Nadia has
taken that to mean 70lbs and the bike.

Mmm looking a wee bit more into it 5 stone of kit plus the bike seems
reasonable.
Here is a photo of the kit they carry, that is a proper oxygen cylinder
and is *£%^!*% heavy.

http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dsc05953.jpg

Where do they carry it? The grab bags obvioulsy go in the panniers, but
the bottle????

Couldn't they seal and use the frame much like some touring bikes
parrafin store?

marc said:

Where do they carry it? The grab bags obvioulsy go in the panniers, but
the bottle????

No Idea (I live in Edinburgh 500 miles from London so have never seen
these bikes).

Quoted message said:

Couldn't they seal and use the frame much like some touring bikes
parrafin store?

Possibly some sort of Health and Safety issue that prohibits people from
sitting on pressurised gas containers. Also judging by the size of that
cylinder, the bike frame would be too small for the amount they have to
carry.

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soup said:

Coyoteboy said:

Seems a bit mad if they dispatch a normal ambulance as well,

Think of them as really good first aiders with a really big first aid
box their job is to get there quickly and keep the casualty alive until
the ambulance gets there alternatively if (as usual) it is "just"
someone who has tripped or whatever, and that person does not require or
want hospital help, (I would imagine) they can contact the ambulance
crew and get them to abort.

True.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

plus they only cover 5sq km? Thats an area only 2250mx2250m?! Doesnt
seem a lot when you look at the "quantity of manpower per sq km"?

AIUI and going by this page :-
http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/ambcycles1.htm
There are four cyclists involved, four people in 5sq kilometers does not
seem a lot to me (especially when that 5 Km² is in central London).

Its not 5km^2 though, its 5sq km, thats smaller than my local town
centre and from what I was told there are only 6 ambulance staff (3
crews) covering the whole town and its outlying areas (some 15x15km
area). So 4 in 2.25x2.25 is a high concentration of manpower. But then i
spose theres a high concentration of people too, it just seems excessive
on the face of it, especially when its already covered by normal ambulances!

Just seems a little bit like "making jobs", i mean ultimately it would
be a good idea to have someone stood on every street at 100m intervals
to relay info back to the control centre so no-one needed to dispatch
the cyclists or the ambulances too... 🙂 How far do you go? Where can
justify having these additional resources? What measure do you use to
select?
The only reason I can see for having them is if they cant get to people
within the allotted response time.

Coyoteboy said:

soup said:

There are four cyclists involved, four people in 5sq kilometers does
not seem a lot to me (especially when that 5 Km² is in central London).

Its not 5km^2 though, its 5sq km, thats smaller than my local town
centre

My bad. I meant 5 sq Kilometers, as I said at first, it was only in
the second instance I got it so terribly wrong. I (IMHO) still think
four people covering that area (with that density of population) is
reasonable even factoring in that there are "normal" ambulances as well .

Of course there will be the cost issue as well, one person on a
bike costs a lot less than two in a "proper" ambulance. How long before
someone comes on telly saying the bike paramedics are so successful four
more are going to be introduced, while quietly in the background two
"proper" ambulances are removed.

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Coyoteboy said:

What measure do you use to
select?

Cost with diminishing returns factored in.

Quoted message said:

The only reason I can see for having them is if they cant get to people
within the allotted response time.

Mm problems with the response time. Maybe full sized ambulances have
problems getting to "patients" within the alloted time due to the other
motorised traffic in central London.

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soup said:

Coyoteboy said:

What measure do you use to select?

Cost with diminishing returns factored in.

Quoted message said:

The only reason I can see for having them is if they cant get to
people within the allotted response time.

Mm problems with the response time. Maybe full sized ambulances have
problems getting to "patients" within the alloted time due to the other
motorised traffic in central London.

Their % of 8min response times successful were at national standard
according to their data, doesnt seem to be a major problem.

soup said:

Coyoteboy said:

soup said:

There are four cyclists involved, four people in 5sq kilometers does
not seem a lot to me (especially when that 5 Km² is in central London).

Its not 5km^2 though, its 5sq km, thats smaller than my local town centre

My bad. I meant 5 sq Kilometers, as I said at first, it was only in
the second instance I got it so terribly wrong. I (IMHO) still think
four people covering that area (with that density of population) is

reasonable even factoring in that there are "normal" ambulances as well .
Thats ok, im still reeling at the fact that you managed to put a
superscript in, ive not worked that out yet! 🙂

Quoted message said:

Of course there will be the cost issue as well, one person on a bike
costs a lot less than two in a "proper" ambulance. How long before
someone comes on telly saying the bike paramedics are so successful four
more are going to be introduced, while quietly in the background two
"proper" ambulances are removed.

True. Not being on the cutting edge of the ambulance service im not
really qualified to express whether those are needed or not I guess.

Coyoteboy said:

ive not worked superscripts that out yet! 🙂

All programs > Accesories > Character map 🙂
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