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LightSPIN generator-changing sides possible?

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  1. I have a couple of LightSPIN generators, ("dynamos" for our British
    friends) but now that I can't ride bikes any more, I would like to be
    able to put one of them on my Greenspeed trike.

    Unfortunately, the "handedness" of my LightSPINs is the opposite of
    what the Greenspeed's braze on requires. Needs to mount on the back
    side of the left "seat stay."

    Does anybody know if it's possible to switch the spring around in
    these?

    Sheldon "In The Dark" Brown
    +---------------------------------------+
    | There's nothing like not being dead |
    | to improve a fellow's outlook. |
    | -- Michael Flynn |
    +---------------------------------------+
    Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
    Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
    http://harriscyclery.com
    Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
    http://captainbike.com
    Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
    http://sheldonbrown.com

  2. Sheldon Brown said:

    I have a couple of LightSPIN generators, ("dynamos" for our British
    friends) but now that I can't ride bikes any more, I would like to be
    able to put one of them on my Greenspeed trike.
    Unfortunately, the "handedness" of my LightSPINs is the opposite of
    what the Greenspeed's braze on requires. Needs to mount on the back
    side of the left "seat stay."
    Does anybody know if it's possible to switch the spring around in
    these?
    Sheldon "In The Dark" Brown

    The springs wind with different chirality so you'd need a new spring.
    (unlikely, if Harris doesn't have one...)

    I suppose you've ruled out the other side of the bike for some reason or
    another (left front facing = right rear facing)?
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  3. Andy Muzi said:

    The springs wind with different chirality so you'd need a new spring.

    I was afraid of that.

    However, it was worth the effort to learn a cool new word:
    "chirality" ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    I suppose you've ruled out the other side of the bike for some reason or
    another (left front facing = right rear facing)?

    The Greenspeed has a very nice braze-on for this purpose, and it would
    seem excessively mono-buttocked to ignore it. Maybe I'll have to
    spring for Busch & Müller...

    Sheldon "Ambichiaral" Brown

  4. Sheldon Brown said:

    The Greenspeed has a very nice braze-on for this purpose, and it would
    seem excessively mono-buttocked to ignore it. Maybe I'll have to
    spring for Busch & Müller...

    Good idea..., uh how much do you want for the Lightspin? I'm no purist,
    I'll use a bracket, home made if necessary.

    Did anyone ever find out what caused Lightspin to cease production? Was
    it slow sales, undercaptilization, or was there some other reason?

  5. Maybe the aluminium bracket no. 406ALU from Busch & Müller could
    be useful

    Best Regards

    Carlos

    Sheldon Brown said:

    I have a couple of LightSPIN generators, ("dynamos" for our British
    friends) but now that I can't ride bikes any more, I would like to be
    able to put one of them on my Greenspeed trike.

    Unfortunately, the "handedness" of my LightSPINs is the opposite of
    what the Greenspeed's braze on requires. Needs to mount on the back
    side of the left "seat stay."

    Does anybody know if it's possible to switch the spring around in
    these?

    Sheldon "In The Dark" Brown
    +---------------------------------------+
    | There's nothing like not being dead |
    | to improve a fellow's outlook. |
    | -- Michael Flynn |
    +---------------------------------------+
    Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
    Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
    http://harriscyclery.com
    Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
    http://captainbike.com
    Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
    http://sheldonbrown.com

  6. Sheldon Brown said:
    Andy Muzi said:

    The springs wind with different chirality so you'd need a new spring.

    I was afraid of that.

    However, it was worth the effort to learn a cool new word:
    "chirality" ;-)

    I first saw that word a few months ago when Andy used it in a
    discussion of swapping a rim while reusing spokes. I'm pretty sure he
    made it up. 🙂

  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Andy Muzi said:

    The springs wind with different chirality so you'd need a new spring.

    Quoted message said:
    Sheldon Brown said:

    I was afraid of that.
    However, it was worth the effort to learn a cool new word:
    "chirality" ;-)

    Hank Wirtz said:

    I first saw that word a few months ago when Andy used it in a
    discussion of swapping a rim while reusing spokes. I'm pretty sure he
    made it up. 🙂

    One of my ex-employees is a hot researcher in organic chemistry.
    http://www.yellowjersey.org/JRJACK07.JPG

    Controlling chirality is a sticky problem for scaling up organic
    synthesis as you otherwise get reversed and upside down versions besides
    what you want.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  8. "Hank Wirtz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Sheldon Brown said:
    Andy Muzi said:

    The springs wind with different chirality so you'd need a new spring.

    I was afraid of that.

    However, it was worth the effort to learn a cool new word:
    "chirality" ;-)

    I first saw that word a few months ago when Andy used it in a
    discussion of swapping a rim while reusing spokes. I'm pretty sure he
    made it up. 🙂

    Try doing organic chemistry without coming across the term. See Thalidomide
    for a particularly spectacular example.

    More mundanely, it's what explains some things about sugar names. A chiral
    compound will rotate the plane of polarised light (see eg minerals between
    crossed polarising filters under a microscope - very pretty). So Dextrose
    (glucose) rotates the plane of polarised light to the right. Laevolose
    (fructose) rotates it to the left. Hence the original names for these (or
    rather the particular stereoisomers found in nature).

    Sugar/sucrose rotates the plane of polarised light to the right. Sucrose is
    a dimer of glucose and fructose, so if you hydrolyse it (split it), it'll
    give those two monomers. The fructose a strong rotator of polarised light,
    so the net result is that a partially hydrolysed solution of sucrose, ie a
    mix of sucrose, glucose and fructose, will rotate the plane of polarised
    light to the left. And this is where the "Invert" bit of "Invert sugar
    syrup" (eg Golden Syrup) comes from.

    cheers,
    clive

  9. A Muzi said:

    One of my ex-employees is a hot researcher in organic chemistry.

    Pot smoker?

  10. Quoted message said:
    A Muzi said:

    One of my ex-employees is a hot researcher in organic chemistry.

    Bill Sornson said:

    Pot smoker?

    Probably, give the general run of bike mechanics.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  11. Sheldon Brown said:
    Andy Muzi said:

    The springs wind with different chirality so you'd need a new spring.

    I was afraid of that.

    However, it was worth the effort to learn a cool new word:
    "chirality" ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    I suppose you've ruled out the other side of the bike for some reason or
    another (left front facing = right rear facing)?

    The Greenspeed has a very nice braze-on for this purpose, and it would
    seem excessively mono-buttocked to ignore it. Maybe I'll have to
    spring for Busch & Müller...

    Have you disassembled the generator mount and looked at the mechanical
    details? Before I gave up on the Lightspin, I'd at least try that.

    IME, generator mounts are simple devices. Winding a spring from hobby
    shop music wire isn't very difficult. There's a chance that you could
    turn things around - re-chiralitize it? ;-) - by inverting or by
    fabricating mirror-image versions of other components for the mount.

    If you do take it apart, it would be interesting to see a photo.

    - Frank Krygowski

  12. Quoted message said:
    Sheldon Brown said:
    Andy Muzi said:

    The springs wind with different chirality so you'd need a new spring.

    Quoted message said:

    I was afraid of that.

    Quoted message said:

    However, it was worth the effort to learn a cool new word:
    "chirality" ;-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I suppose you've ruled out the other side of the bike for some reasonor
    another (left front facing = right rear facing)?

    Quoted message said:

    The Greenspeed has a very nice braze-on for this purpose, and it would
    seem excessively mono-buttocked to ignore it. Maybe I'll have to
    spring for Busch & Müller...

    Have you disassembled the generator mount and looked at the mechanical
    details? Before I gave up on the Lightspin, I'd at least try that.

    IME, generator mounts are simple devices. Winding a spring from hobby
    shop music wire isn't very difficult. There's a chance that you could
    turn things around - re-chiralitize it?

    I did that with a Slinky once. Probably harder with a heavier spring.

  13. Hank Wirtz said:

    I did that with a Slinky once.

    Family newsgroup, buddy.

    (I still got it.)

  14. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Andy Muzi said:

    The springs wind with different chirality so you'd need a new spring.

    Quoted message said:
    Sheldon Brown said:

    I was afraid of that.
    However, it was worth the effort to learn a cool new word:
    "chirality" ;-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I suppose you've ruled out the other side of the bike for some reason or
    another (left front facing = right rear facing)?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The Greenspeed has a very nice braze-on for this purpose, and it would
    seem excessively mono-buttocked to ignore it. Maybe I'll have to
    spring for Busch & Müller...

    Quoted message said:

    Have you disassembled the generator mount and looked at the mechanical
    details? Before I gave up on the Lightspin, I'd at least try that.
    IME, generator mounts are simple devices. Winding a spring from hobby
    shop music wire isn't very difficult. There's a chance that you could
    turn things around - re-chiralitize it? ;-) - by inverting or by
    fabricating mirror-image versions of other components for the mount.
    If you do take it apart, it would be interesting to see a photo.

    I thought more about this. Since LightSpin offered both sides perhaps a
    trade could be arranged with some LightSpin owner?
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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