OT: Usenet History

Scott wrote on Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:30:58 -0500:

S> I was going to cross-post this to every group known to exist
S> since it relates to usenet but I probably would've [censored] some
S> people off.

S> http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/index.html

You damned well would! There are even some useful news-readers
that remove cross-posted "contributions"!

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Scott said:

I was going to cross-post this to every group known to exist since it
relates to usenet but I probably would've [censored] some people off.

http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/index.html

The funny thing is, Giganews' little history completely omits any
mention of Deja-news.

--Bryan

Bobo Bonobo® <[email hidden]> dropped this news:1190220822.768924.99920
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Scott said:

I was going to cross-post this to every group known to exist since it
relates to usenet but I probably would've [censored] some people off.

http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/index.html

The funny thing is, Giganews' little history completely omits any
mention of Deja-news.

--Bryan

I was there in the beginning. Usenet has completely evolved into it's own
world. I love it.

Michael

--
Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their
food, and tyrannize their teachers.
- Socrates

to email: dog3 at charter dot net

Michael \'Dog3\ said:

Bobo Bonobo® <[email hidden]> dropped this news:1190220822.768924.99920
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Quoted message said:

Scott said:

I was going to cross-post this to every group known to exist since it
relates to usenet but I probably would've [censored] some people off.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/index.html

Quoted message said:

The funny thing is, Giganews' little history completely omits any
mention of Deja-news.

Quoted message said:

--Bryan

I was there in the beginning. Usenet has completely evolved into it's own
world. I love it.

I discovered Usenet in '96. Since then, I've posted over 26,000
messages under this email address, plus quite a few more under other
addresses.

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Michael

--Bryan

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:53:42 -0000, Bobo Bonobo® <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Scott said:

I was going to cross-post this to every group known to exist since it
relates to usenet but I probably would've [censored] some people off.

http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/index.html

The funny thing is, Giganews' little history completely omits any
mention of Deja-news.

Why does it matter? You remember the name, so what???? They were
completely different. Deja News was a usenet archive not a commercial
news server.
--

History is a vast early warning system
Norman Cousins

<sf> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/index.html

The funny thing is, Giganews' little history completely omits any
mention of Deja-news.

Why does it matter? You remember the name, so what???? They were
completely different. Deja News was a usenet archive not a commercial
news server.

Accuracy counts. Would you excuse the history books if they left out the
first three Presidents?

In article said:

<sf> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/index.html

The funny thing is, Giganews' little history completely omits any
mention of Deja-news.

Why does it matter? You remember the name, so what???? They were
completely different. Deja News was a usenet archive not a commercial
news server.

Accuracy counts. Would you excuse the history books if they left out the
first three Presidents?

Geez, Ed, you really are an old fashioned bloke! These days History
gets rewritten all the time to suit the politicians of the day,
including the recently retired who want to be remembered well.

Just before he quit, our very own recently retired Premier of the
State of Queensland here in Oz handed out nearly a million dollars to
one of his mates to write an "official" history of the State in time
for the sesquicentenary in 2009. Clearly he didn't approve of another
historian's version published a few years ago (1999 IIRC) which could
have been updated for trivial cost.

Appropriate flattery out points accuracy any day in modern times.

Cheers, Phred.

--
[email hidden]

(Phred) said:

In article said:

<sf> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/index.html

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>The funny thing is, Giganews' little history completely omits any
>mention of Deja-news.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Why does it matter? You remember the name, so what???? They were
completely different. Deja News was a usenet archive not a commercial
news server.

Quoted message said:

Accuracy counts. Would you excuse the history books if they left out the
first three Presidents?

Geez, Ed, you really are an old fashioned bloke! These days History
gets rewritten all the time to suit the politicians of the day,
including the recently retired who want to be remembered well.

Are you saying that that's a good thing?

Quoted message said:

Just before he quit, our very own recently retired Premier of the
State of Queensland here in Oz handed out nearly a million dollars to
one of his mates to write an "official" history of the State in time
for the sesquicentenary in 2009. Clearly he didn't approve of another
historian's version published a few years ago (1999 IIRC) which could
have been updated for trivial cost.

Appropriate flattery out points accuracy any day in modern times.

Thing is, Deja-news was hugely important, and like it or not, Google's
continuation of that archive, combined with their whole GoogleGroups
thing, is the most significant single aspect of Usenet right now.

Quoted message said:

Cheers, Phred.

--Bryan

Bobo Bonobo® said:

Scott said:

I was going to cross-post this to every group known to exist since it
relates to usenet but I probably would've [censored] some people off.

http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/index.html

The funny thing is, Giganews' little history completely omits any
mention of Deja-news.

Deja probably isn't worth mentioning in that outline, but Google
Groups is slowly making a name for itself and will probably
eventually go down in infamy.

-sw

In article said:

(Phred) said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Edwin Pawlowski"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<sf> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]...
>>>http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/index.html

Quoted message said:

>>The funny thing is, Giganews' little history completely omits any
>>mention of Deja-news.

Quoted message said:

> Why does it matter? You remember the name, so what???? They were
> completely different. Deja News was a usenet archive not a commercial
> news server.

Quoted message said:

Accuracy counts. Would you excuse the history books if they left out the
first three Presidents?

Geez, Ed, you really are an old fashioned bloke! These days History
gets rewritten all the time to suit the politicians of the day,
including the recently retired who want to be remembered well.

Are you saying that that's a good thing?

Are you really that thick?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just before he quit, our very own recently retired Premier of the
State of Queensland here in Oz handed out nearly a million dollars to
one of his mates to write an "official" history of the State in time
for the sesquicentenary in 2009. Clearly he didn't approve of another
historian's version published a few years ago (1999 IIRC) which could
have been updated for trivial cost.

Appropriate flattery out points accuracy any day in modern times.

Thing is, Deja-news was hugely important, and like it or not, Google's
continuation of that archive, combined with their whole GoogleGroups
thing, is the most significant single aspect of Usenet right now.

Who's arguing? I dunno about "hugely important" in the grand scheme
of things; but certainly very useful for the then denizens of USENET.

Cheers, Phred.

--
[email hidden]

Bobo Bonobo® said:

Thing is, Deja-news was hugely important, and like it or not, Google's
continuation of that archive, combined with their whole GoogleGroups
thing, is the most significant single aspect of Usenet right now.

I think you give it *way* too much credit (oh - wait, you're
soaking in it!). Deja is nothing much more than an NSP that
harbors spammers and trolls.

Besides, this hist7ory was written by Giganews - another NSP.
Why would they mention a competitor? Their last two entries in
their account of Usenet history are misplaced as it is.

-sw

Bobo Bonobo® <[email hidden]> dropped this
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rec.food.cooking

Quoted message said:

(Phred) said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Edwin

Pawlowski said:

<sf> wrote in
messagenews:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

>>>http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/index.html

Quoted message said:

>>The funny thing is, Giganews' little history completely omits any
>>mention of Deja-news.

Quoted message said:

> Why does it matter? You remember the name, so what???? They were
> completely different. Deja News was a usenet archive not a
> commercial news server.

Quoted message said:

Accuracy counts. Would you excuse the history books if they left
out the first three Presidents?

Geez, Ed, you really are an old fashioned bloke! These days History
gets rewritten all the time to suit the politicians of the day,
including the recently retired who want to be remembered well.

Are you saying that that's a good thing?

I don't know if he's condoning it or saying that is just the way it is.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just before he quit, our very own recently retired Premier of the
State of Queensland here in Oz handed out nearly a million dollars to
one of his mates to write an "official" history of the State in time
for the sesquicentenary in 2009. Clearly he didn't approve of
another historian's version published a few years ago (1999 IIRC)
which could have been updated for trivial cost.

Appropriate flattery out points accuracy any day in modern times.

Thing is, Deja-news was hugely important, and like it or not, Google's
continuation of that archive, combined with their whole GoogleGroups
thing, is the most significant single aspect of Usenet right now.

Quoted message said:

Cheers, Phred.

--Bryan

I agree Bryan. Deja was the single most important archive at that time.
While I think the whole GoogleGroups thing is enormously significant, I'm
not sure if it is the single most important aspect. One can still find
archived articles on some of the university servers as well as other
archival services which have not be real successful. Usenet has evolved
into a completely different animal than was intended. Is this a good
thing? I'm not so sure. What I do know is that I use Usenet on a daily
basis. I also use Google to find information I need. Losing Google would
cause a huge rift in Usenet. I like Google's new gadget thingy. I've
been playing around with it.

Michael

--
Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their
food, and tyrannize their teachers.
- Socrates

to email: dog3 at charter dot net

Steve Wertz <[email hidden]> dropped this news:1pv1gngpcdj4o
[email hidden]: in rec.food.cooking

Quoted message said:

Bobo Bonobo® said:

Scott said:

I was going to cross-post this to every group known to exist since it
relates to usenet but I probably would've [censored] some people off.

http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/index.html

The funny thing is, Giganews' little history completely omits any
mention of Deja-news.

Deja probably isn't worth mentioning in that outline, but Google
Groups is slowly making a name for itself and will probably
eventually go down in infamy.

-sw

As long as their stock remains steady I'm happy.

Michael

--
Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their
food, and tyrannize their teachers.
- Socrates

to email: dog3 at charter dot net

In article <[email hidden]>,

Steve Wertz said:

Bobo Bonobo® said:

Thing is, Deja-news was hugely important, and like it or not, Google's
continuation of that archive, combined with their whole GoogleGroups
thing, is the most significant single aspect of Usenet right now.

I think you give it *way* too much credit (oh - wait, you're
soaking in it!). Deja is nothing much more than an NSP that
harbors spammers and trolls.

Besides, this hist7ory was written by Giganews - another NSP.
Why would they mention a competitor? Their last two entries in
their account of Usenet history are misplaced as it is.

-sw

I thought Google bought the DejaNews archives?
--
Peace, Om

Remove _ to validate e-mails.

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." -- Steve Rothstein

Omelet said:

I thought Google bought the DejaNews archives?

They did, but there are still some posts I can not find. I loved
DejaNews and I used it a lot. Google? Not so much.

Becca

Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Becca said:

Omelet said:

I thought Google bought the DejaNews archives?

They did, but there are still some posts I can not find. I loved
DejaNews and I used it a lot. Google? Not so much.

Becca

I understand.

Part of the problem with Google is that they sell search spots.

They are [censored] to corporate internet interests.

They're a business. Are Google employees supposed to donate
their time? Maybe you could expound a bit on how you donate
your own time for the benefit of others. That might lend some
credence to your complaint.

Besides, Google clearly marks sponsored links. Always has. If
you have any reason to believe otherwise I'd like to hear it.

--
Reg

Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Steve Wertz said:

I think you give it *way* too much credit (oh - wait, you're
soaking in it!). Deja is nothing much more than an NSP that
harbors spammers and trolls.

Besides, this history was written by Giganews - another NSP.
Why would they mention a competitor? Their last two entries in
their account of Usenet history are misplaced as it is.

I thought Google bought the DejaNews archives?

Yeah. And....?

-sw

Michael 'Dog3 said:

I also use Google to find information I need. Losing Google would
cause a huge rift in Usenet. I like Google's new gadget thingy. I've
been playing around with it.

It's searching capabilities are sporadic. Usually you can find
the same [technical] information on any number of web-based
discussion forums. I haven't missed using Deja-Google at all,
though I do use it for frivolous activities sometimes - That I
can live without.

As for Google Web Search - Have you tried
http://www.altavista.com recently?

-sw

Michael 'Dog3 said:

As long as their stock remains steady I'm happy.

I'd be unhappy if it remained steady.

-sw