running injuries

aegis said:

I've read reports suggesting that unless you have
a knee problem(pre-existing), then there is no
evidence to suggest that running will induce
knee problems. Yet, I've also read that
one should limit how much they run outside
to reduce the damage done to the knees.

Seems contradictory to me. I usually go
for two running days outside and the rest of my
week spent on a treadmill.

What's the consensus on this?

--
aegis

The vast majority of runners run their whole lives and never have knee
troubles beyond the occasional minor injurys. The people who "wear
out" their knees have back/hip/knee/ankle problems that they ignore
and run through, and eventually it can damage the knees, or any other
joint, or get damaged by bad shoes. It is not unavoidable.

aegis said:

I've read reports suggesting that unless you have
a knee problem(pre-existing), then there is no
evidence to suggest that running will induce
knee problems. Yet, I've also read that
one should limit how much they run outside
to reduce the damage done to the knees.

Seems contradictory to me. I usually go
for two running days outside and the rest of my
week spent on a treadmill.

What's the consensus on this?

--
aegis

No expert here, but a friend of mine who had bad knees (not a runner)
went to see an orthopod, who told her: Some people have Michelin
knees, some people have Goodyear knees, some people have Cooper
knees. You got Kmart knees. Your cartilage is thin and that's just a
fact.

He said that sensible activity, even running, is not likely to ruin
your knees, but for those born with Kmart knees, activities like
running will be how they discover they have bad knees.

brianj

brianj said:

No expert here, but a friend of mine who had bad knees (not a runner)
went to see an orthopod, who told her: Some people have Michelin
knees, some people have Goodyear knees, some people have Cooper
knees. You got Kmart knees. Your cartilage is thin and that's just a
fact.

He said that sensible activity, even running, is not likely to ruin
your knees, but for those born with Kmart knees, activities like
running will be how they discover they have bad knees.

brianj

Sounds like they got a Kmart Dr.

Quoted message said:

The vast majority of runners run their whole lives and never have knee
troubles beyond the occasional minor injurys.

of course there is no evidence to support your speech and imo it's not
a valid statement.

Quoted message said:

The people who "wear
out" their knees have back/hip/knee/ankle problems that they ignore
and run through, and eventually it can damage the knees, or any other
joint, or get damaged by bad shoes. It is not unavoidable.

wow, this ng has gone seriously down hill if this is the type of
nonsense that's spewed as fact. runners can have ligament, tendon,
patella, and or meniscus problems with zero back/hip/knee/ankle
problems of any kind. this might be a newsflash but we're not all
blessed with the same perfect mechanics & genetics to run for a
lifetime. meniscal wear & degeneration is real, well documented, and
you really don't know what you're talking about quite frankly.

"LSmith" wrote
| wow, this ng has gone seriously down hill if this is the type of
| nonsense that's spewed as fact.

Hmm!, Somebody here also makes same kind of statements
about ultras, DK, Jurek and etc. 🙂

aegis said:

I've read reports suggesting that unless you have
a knee problem(pre-existing), then there is no
evidence to suggest that running will induce
knee problems.

This is not really accurate. Running can and often does
cause running injuries.

However, recreational running does not substantial increase the risk of
osteo-arthritis. That is, you probably won't get irreversible cartilage
damage that reduces you to a cripple. You almost certainly will get some
injury that forces you to reduce your volume and/or intensity of running
at some stage.

Quoted message said:

Yet, I've also read that
one should limit how much they run outside
to reduce the damage done to the knees.

Why this obsession with the knees ? I'd say this is a myth largely pushed
by people who don't know much about running. There are lots of ways runners
can get injured (not just knees). There are precautions runners can take to
reduce their injury risk. The most common effect of a running injury is that
it makes it difficult to do much running. Most running injuries will not have
substantial impact on other activities.

Also, why should running on a treadmill prevent injuries ? You have repetitive
stress on a treadmill just as you do outside.

It seems to me that the source of this is not very familiar with running
injuries.

Cheers,
--
Elflord

LSmith said:

Quoted message said:

The vast majority of runners run their whole lives and never have knee
troubles beyond the occasional minor injurys.

of course there is no evidence to support your speech and imo it's not
a valid statement.

I know both some ageing runners and ex-runners. Their injuries tend to make it
harder for them to run, but they're not exactly cripples.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The people who "wear
out" their knees have back/hip/knee/ankle problems that they ignore
and run through, and eventually it can damage the knees, or any other
joint, or get damaged by bad shoes. It is not unavoidable.

wow, this ng has gone seriously down hill if this is the type of
nonsense that's spewed as fact. runners can have ligament, tendon,
patella, and or meniscus problems with zero back/hip/knee/ankle
problems of any kind.

Yes, but I think it's an oversimplification to say that running causes
irreversible cartilage damage that will interfere with other activities.

Cheers,
--
Elflord

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Quoted message said:

"LSmith" wrote
| wow, this ng has gone seriously down hill if this is the type of
| nonsense that's spewed as fact.

Hmm!, Somebody here also makes same kind of statements
about ultras, DK, Jurek and etc. 🙂

LMFAO!

aegis said:

I've read reports suggesting that unless you have
a knee problem(pre-existing), then there is no
evidence to suggest that running will induce
knee problems. Yet, I've also read that
one should limit how much they run outside
to reduce the damage done to the knees.

Seems contradictory to me. I usually go
for two running days outside and the rest of my
week spent on a treadmill.

What's the consensus on this?

--
aegis

I do all my running ( about 50 miles a week ) outside but ( am lucky )
the vast majority of it is on trails. I try to limit exposure to road/
concrete and asphalt as much as I can.