PHOTOS FROM INSIDE IRAN

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Bout time the Iranian people spoke to the idiots in their government then.

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Bout time the Iranian people spoke to the idiots in their government
then.

LOL You could say that about nearly every Govt, including mine :-))

Mick Brown

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Do not worry. When we bomb their nuclear facilities I'm sure our pilots
will try to miss these peaceful areas 😉

Frank

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Hmm ... not one picture from that symposium where Iran said the
Holocaust never occurred. This little piece of propaganda was pretty
weak. You could have found similar pictures of Germany in the 30s and
40s.

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Bout time the Iranian people spoke to the idiots in their government then.

The problem in Iran isn't so much the government as it is the clerical
class.

Ahmadenijad has very little power in Iran, but the Ayatollah's trump
even him.

A while back there was a British journalist who went into Tehran and it
was a bit disconcerting to me. It was one of those never think about it
issues but it's a modern city.

More to the point, the sentiment among the people is changing. The
Ayatollah's don't hold much power over the youth in the country. So we
could see change sooner than later.

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http://www.lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.html

Bout time the Iranian people spoke to the idiots in their government then.

The problem in Iran isn't so much the government as it is the clerical
class.

Ahmadenijad has very little power in Iran, but the Ayatollah's trump
even him.

A while back there was a British journalist who went into Tehran and it
was a bit disconcerting to me. It was one of those never think about it
issues but it's a modern city.

More to the point, the sentiment among the people is changing. The
Ayatollah's don't hold much power over the youth in the country. So we
could see change sooner than later.

Iranians hate the Shah but miss the lifestyle they had under him.
The people want a situation more like Turkey.

--Tedward

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Bout time the Iranian people spoke to the idiots in their government

then.

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The problem in Iran isn't so much the government as it is the clerical
class.

Ahmadenijad has very little power in Iran, but the Ayatollah's trump
even him.

A while back there was a British journalist who went into Tehran and it
was a bit disconcerting to me. It was one of those never think about it
issues but it's a modern city.

More to the point, the sentiment among the people is changing. The
Ayatollah's don't hold much power over the youth in the country. So we
could see change sooner than later.

All rational assessments claim that Iran, if they wanted to, could not
produce a weapon for 5-10 years. And from what the sources who were right
on Iraq are saying, they do not want to and there is no evidence that they
are. What they are doing just happens to be legal as they are a signatory
to the UN Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty. A treaty which Israel and India
are not signatories yet we give them nuclear technology and now even fuel.
There is every indication that a peaceful change of government could occur.
Don't forget that on 9-11 millions of Iranians marched in the streets of
Tehran with signs saying "we are all Americans today." Great strides had
been taken by the moderate, pro-western, government they had at the time.
That was all thrown into the garbage with Bush's "axis of evil" speech.
Without that speech, quite likely the moderate voices would prevail today.
As it was all we succeeded in doing was proving that we could not be trusted
and that is all the radicals needed to regain control.

War is coming. Of that there is no doubt. Even if the spineless democrats
wanted to, they'd not be able to stop it. And what will come of it will be
of global reach and will cause vast pain and misery for a long, long time.

Paul

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Interesting photos, thanks.

Although I completely oppose the idea of attacking Iran--and opposed the
invasion of Iraq--I find the choice of musical accompaniment rather
interesting, since the convert-to-Islam version of Cat Stevens came out in
public support of the fatwa calling for the murder of Salman Rushdie. Not
the action of a peace activist, hmmm?

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Interesting photos, thanks.

Although I completely oppose the idea of attacking Iran--and opposed the
invasion of Iraq--I find the choice of musical accompaniment rather
interesting, since the convert-to-Islam version of Cat Stevens came out in
public support of the fatwa calling for the murder of Salman Rushdie. Not
the action of a peace activist, hmmm?

Rushdie is still alive and making public appearances. The Fatwa was a
symbolic gesture. If they were serious, he would not have lasted a day.
Britain has a great many Muslims and I'm sure one would have gotten the job
done.

Paul

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Bout time the Iranian people spoke to the idiots in their government

then.

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The problem in Iran isn't so much the government as it is the clerical
class.

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Ahmadenijad has very little power in Iran, but the Ayatollah's trump
even him.

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A while back there was a British journalist who went into Tehran and it
was a bit disconcerting to me. It was one of those never think about it
issues but it's a modern city.

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More to the point, the sentiment among the people is changing. The
Ayatollah's don't hold much power over the youth in the country. So we
could see change sooner than later.

All rational assessments claim that Iran, if they wanted to, could not
produce a weapon for 5-10 years. And from what the sources who were right
on Iraq are saying, they do not want to and there is no evidence that they
are. What they are doing just happens to be legal as they are a signatory
to the UN Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty. A treaty which Israel and India
are not signatories yet we give them nuclear technology and now even fuel.
There is every indication that a peaceful change of government could occur.
Don't forget that on 9-11 millions of Iranians marched in the streets of
Tehran with signs saying "we are all Americans today." Great strides had
been taken by the moderate, pro-western, government they had at the time.
That was all thrown into the garbage with Bush's "axis of evil" speech.
Without that speech, quite likely the moderate voices would prevail today.
As it was all we succeeded in doing was proving that we could not be trusted
and that is all the radicals needed to regain control.

War is coming. Of that there is no doubt. Even if the spineless democrats
wanted to, they'd not be able to stop it. And what will come of it will be
of global reach and will cause vast pain and misery for a long, long time.

Paul

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So you are blaming the hatred of Jews by the Iranians on Bush's
speech? Come on! A.) "All rational assessments" = all of those you
agree with since the irrational ones, of course, are the ones with
much shorter time periods that you would rather not believe. B.)
Unfortunately, the Iranians themselves are contradicting your
statements regarding what they have and what their attentions are. I
know you would rather hide your head in the sand and hope it will all
go away, but the Iranian leadership has said many, many times that
they want to get rid of Israel. Their philosophy calls for it and even
dictates their salvation in an apocalypse scenario. C.) Umm, are you
saying it's legal for them to make a nuclear bomb? All "rational"
sources have said they are trying to get one. Why do you think the N.
Koreans are running around there? For the pleasant scenery? D.) Just
remember who elected their president in the first place.

Edward M. Kennedy said:

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Bout time the Iranian people spoke to the idiots in their government then.

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The problem in Iran isn't so much the government as it is the clerical
class.

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Ahmadenijad has very little power in Iran, but the Ayatollah's trump
even him.

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A while back there was a British journalist who went into Tehran and it
was a bit disconcerting to me. It was one of those never think about it
issues but it's a modern city.

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More to the point, the sentiment among the people is changing. The
Ayatollah's don't hold much power over the youth in the country. So we
could see change sooner than later.

Iranians hate the Shah but miss the lifestyle they had under him.
The people want a situation more like Turkey.

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And so they went out and elected who they did as their president. I
think your statements here are more wishful thinking and hoping than
anything else -- much like the German sympathizers before WWII.

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Bout time the Iranian people spoke to the idiots in their government then.

The problem in Iran isn't so much the government as it is the clerical
class.

Ahmadenijad has very little power in Iran, but the Ayatollah's trump
even him.

A while back there was a British journalist who went into Tehran and it
was a bit disconcerting to me. It was one of those never think about it
issues but it's a modern city.

More to the point, the sentiment among the people is changing. The
Ayatollah's don't hold much power over the youth in the country. So we
could see change sooner than later.

Your statement about they ayatollahs and the youth are simply wishful
thinking. True, the youth may want to wear their hair differently, but
they hate the Jews just as much as anyone in leadership or else they
wouldn't have elected those leaders in the first place.

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> Bout time the Iranian people spoke to the idiots in their government then.

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The problem in Iran isn't so much the government as it is the clerical
class.

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Ahmadenijad has very little power in Iran, but the Ayatollah's trump
even him.

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A while back there was a British journalist who went into Tehran and it
was a bit disconcerting to me. It was one of those never think about it
issues but it's a modern city.

Quoted message said:

More to the point, the sentiment among the people is changing. The
Ayatollah's don't hold much power over the youth in the country. So we
could see change sooner than later.

Iranians hate the Shah but miss the lifestyle they had under him.
The people want a situation more like Turkey.

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And so they went out and elected who they did as their president. I
think your statements here are more wishful thinking and hoping than
anything else -- much like the German sympathizers before WWII.

Do you know a anything about Iran? You probably think they are
Arabs too.

Public support for reform is strong -- see the previous president
who served two terms and was very popular, especially among the
women and youth. You might as well claim America is a bible
thumping nation just because we elected Reagan and the Bush clan.

Or you could read National Geographic's last article on the place.

There is a significant Islamic law faction, but it isn't so much
anti-West as anti-Israel and anti-America. Unfortunately they
got enough power to keep it -- they started keeping reformists
from running for office in 1994.

--Tedward

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Bout time the Iranian people spoke to the idiots in their government
then.

The problem in Iran isn't so much the government as it is the clerical
class.

Ahmadenijad has very little power in Iran, but the Ayatollah's trump
even him.

A while back there was a British journalist who went into Tehran and it
was a bit disconcerting to me. It was one of those never think about it
issues but it's a modern city.

More to the point, the sentiment among the people is changing. The
Ayatollah's don't hold much power over the youth in the country. So we
could see change sooner than later.

I guess Lebanon is similar in many ways, most people lead a life not that
far removed from many in the "Western World" but sadly the separation of
Church and State does not occur.

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Bout time the Iranian people spoke to the idiots in their government then.

The problem in Iran isn't so much the government as it is the clerical
class.

Ahmadenijad has very little power in Iran, but the Ayatollah's trump
even him.

A while back there was a British journalist who went into Tehran and it
was a bit disconcerting to me. It was one of those never think about it
issues but it's a modern city.

More to the point, the sentiment among the people is changing. The
Ayatollah's don't hold much power over the youth in the country. So we
could see change sooner than later.

Iranians hate the Shah but miss the lifestyle they had under him.
The people want a situation more like Turkey.

--Tedward

The Shah was a CIA backed puppet but a puppet who brutally put down
dissent in his own country.

That makes it easy to understand why people likes the lifestyle during
that time period but hated the Shah.

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> > Bout time the Iranian people spoke to the idiots in their government then.

> The problem in Iran isn't so much the government as it is the clerical
> class.

> Ahmadenijad has very little power in Iran, but the Ayatollah's trump
> even him.

> A while back there was a British journalist who went into Tehran and it
> was a bit disconcerting to me. It was one of those never think about it
> issues but it's a modern city.

> More to the point, the sentiment among the people is changing. The
> Ayatollah's don't hold much power over the youth in the country. So we
> could see change sooner than later.

Iranians hate the Shah but miss the lifestyle they had under him.
The people want a situation more like Turkey.

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And so they went out and elected who they did as their president. I
think your statements here are more wishful thinking and hoping than
anything else -- much like the German sympathizers before WWII.

Do you know a anything about Iran? You probably think they are
Arabs too.

Public support for reform is strong -- see the previous president
who served two terms and was very popular, especially among the
women and youth. You might as well claim America is a bible
thumping nation just because we elected Reagan and the Bush clan.

Or you could read National Geographic's last article on the place.

There is a significant Islamic law faction, but it isn't so much
anti-West as anti-Israel and anti-America. Unfortunately they
got enough power to keep it -- they started keeping reformists
from running for office in 1994.

--Tedward

I found the video I had mentioned in an earlier post, it's called Rageh
in Iran where BBC reporter Rageh Omaar visits. Even gets to kneel down
and pray with Amahdinejad at the opening of a new tunnel.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=554201962695917482

The video is an hour and a half.

Pete D said:

I guess Lebanon is similar in many ways, most people lead a life not
that far removed from many in the "Western World" but sadly the
separation of Church and State does not occur.

It does in Lebanon - or used to. The Prime Minister was, by law, a Christian
and the President a Muslim (or vice-versa, I forget). Lebanon was once the
Rivera of the Middle East: banking center, vacation spot, high standard of
living.

Then the PLO was evicted from Jordan and moved to Lebanon. The country's
been a basket case ever since.

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Pete D said:

I guess Lebanon is similar in many ways, most people lead a life not
that far removed from many in the "Western World" but sadly the
separation of Church and State does not occur.

It does in Lebanon - or used to. The Prime Minister was, by law, a Christian
and the President a Muslim (or vice-versa, I forget). Lebanon was once the
Rivera of the Middle East: banking center, vacation spot, high standard of
living.

Then the PLO was evicted from Jordan and moved to Lebanon. The country's
been a basket case ever since.

I was in Beirut a few times when I was in the US Navy in the late 50s.
It was a beautiful modern looking city, and I walked all over it,
sometimes alone, and always in uniform. Never had any problem, and most
times I was ignored. I and two others took a taxi up to Baalbek for a
visit to the ruins.
The best time was in September, when we would go ashore, and look at all
the latest new American cars riding around.
I spent 26 months over in the Med.
..

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
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Bout time the Iranian people spoke to the idiots in their government
then.

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The problem in Iran isn't so much the government as it is the clerical
class.

Quoted message said:

Ahmadenijad has very little power in Iran, but the Ayatollah's trump
even him.

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A while back there was a British journalist who went into Tehran and it
was a bit disconcerting to me. It was one of those never think about it
issues but it's a modern city.

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More to the point, the sentiment among the people is changing. The
Ayatollah's don't hold much power over the youth in the country. So we
could see change sooner than later.

I guess Lebanon is similar in many ways, most people lead a life not that
far removed from many in the "Western World" but sadly the separation of
Church and State does not occur.

I normally avoid looking at such threads, but made the mistake of
doing so for this one. You, at least, normally post reasonable stuff;
but when we're talking about blowing people into pieces, I think more
thought is needed than is put by most people here; and some personal
experience of what it actually involves (beyond parliamentary
discussions, I mean) should probably be mandatory-not much hope of
that, though. Hence wars...