Re: Fast Road to Fat City

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http://health.msn.com/dietfitness/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100167999&

After all that, he recommends low-fat milk. Sheesh.

With Fast Food places, this is a "just say no" moment.

I have not eaten at McDonalds, since 2003.

190/156/160 -originally 320
BMI: 23.6

Not since 1994 for me, since I got so majorly sick from one, and got really
bad service from another. This nation needs more yakisoba and ramen houses.

I'm all for "enjoy yourself" and "A treat is great as long as it remains a
treat (as in occasional)". I also advocate strongly the idea that if you
want to make a "lifestyle change" you need to give yourself some leeway...

BUT

If I feel like I need to splurge, if I think I want a treat, I'll head to a
great restaurant, and eat good quality food that is a little fattier than
what I would normally eat. I'll be darned if I waste my occasional "treat"
on a McDonald meal.. eeeeeeeeeew or any other places like that.

If I crave a burger, and judge that I think I can have a burger considering
how I've been doing lately, I'll MAKE MYSELF a burger.. it's going to be
tasty with freshly mixed meat, fresh veggies and the condiments that I
like. Same with sweet.. If I want chocolate, I'll have Godiva,
Ghirardelli... don't talk to me about a snicker bar!

If you gonna splurge, have some taste and eat real good quality food.. not
junk.. ooooffaaaaahhhh
Will~

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http://health.msn.com/dietfitness/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100167999&

After all that, he recommends low-fat milk. Sheesh.

With Fast Food places, this is a "just say no" moment.

I have not eaten at McDonalds, since 2003.

190/156/160 -originally 320
BMI: 23.6

In art. <[email hidden]>, Miaka Yuki wrote
in part:

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Not <eaten at McD's> since 1994 for me, since I got so majorly sick from
one, and got really bad service from another. This nation needs more
yakisoba and ramen houses.

I would say other than that cheap ramen that is available for cheap at
supermarkets and some dollar stores, at however many packets per dollar.

Not only do they have the high-salt "flavor packet" that a lot of cheap
packaged foods have, but they also have added fat - last time I checked
(it's been a few years) partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, the main
source of trans fats.

If you need cheap starchy food, I say go for macaroni and cheese. But
reduce the margarine by about 70%, and not only that but also replace it
with some mixture of olive oil and "less-unhealthy" version of buttery
semi-liquid "spread" such as the version of "I Can't Believe It's Not
Butter" in a squeeze bottle. Also toss half the flavor packet's content
into the trash can or the toilet bowl due to very high salt content. If
you want cheese flavor, use instead an ounce or so of shreded cheddar -
that may allow you to toss 2/3 or 3/4 of the contents of the flavor
packet.

Mac-and-cheese often uses milk - make it skim.

A minor warning - lower fat mac-and-cheese tends to have any leftovers
gelling into something at least halfway into "astronaut food". For a
quick repair, stir in a minimal amount of olive olive oil and a similar
to somewhat larger amount of water, then reheat in a microwave.

=============================================

If you eat this significantly, better make any breakfast cereal you eat
being something that is whole grain (which you should anyway). I eat
quite my share of cheap store brand shredded wheat cereal. Since I ride
bikes a lot for commuting, I burn off the sugar in the sugar-frosted
version of that stuff which I eat. (My "day job" is delivering by bike,
and that gives me more freedom to eat whatever I want).
If you make sandwiches, use whole wheat bread. Note that "wheat bread"
lacking the word "whole" is not the stuff with fiber content.
If you eat rice, I recommend brown rice since it has some fiber content.
I know it takes longer to cook, but there is brown "Minute Rice" and the
like, which cooks in 5 minutes or so.

One more thing - veggies! If you are on a cheap budget and home-cook
meals, one goodie is the frozen bags of "mixed vegetables" (corn, small
carrot cubes, "green beans", peas, and lima beans). That has fiber,
various vitamins and antioxidants, and I don't know if anything
less-documented that is good-for-you but I do feel better if I eat 2-3
pounds of this per week along with 1/4-1/2 pound of spinach per week and
1/2 to 1 pound of broccoli (preferably the "florets"😉 per week.

I eat this, I drink skim milk, and beyond that I figure I can eat some
fair amount of junkier stuff since I ride bikes about 200 miles per week.
However, salt content gets to be a bit of an issue. Also I do try to
some extent to keep down the intake of animal fats, palm and coconut oils
and cocoa butter (the main fat in chocolate candy and "white chocolate"😉,
hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated oils, french fries, sausages,
and salami and bologna and "loaf" meats, and non-skim cheese.
I also largely avoid mayo - high calorie density from fat content, even
though the fat content in mayo is usually from a not-so-unhealthy oil
such as unhydrogenated soybean oil.

- Don Klipstein ([email hidden])

If you are a low carber fat is not a treat, it's a daily intake.

Willow Herself wrote:
| I'm all for "enjoy yourself" and "A treat is great as long as it
| remains a treat (as in occasional)". I also advocate strongly the
| idea that if you want to make a "lifestyle change" you need to give
| yourself some leeway...
|
| BUT
|
| If I feel like I need to splurge, if I think I want a treat, I'll
| head to a great restaurant, and eat good quality food that is a
| little fattier than what I would normally eat. I'll be darned if I
| waste my occasional "treat" on a McDonald meal.. eeeeeeeeeew or any
| other places like that.
|
| If I crave a burger, and judge that I think I can have a burger
| considering how I've been doing lately, I'll MAKE MYSELF a burger..
| it's going to be tasty with freshly mixed meat, fresh veggies and
| the condiments that I like. Same with sweet.. If I want chocolate,
| I'll have Godiva, Ghirardelli... don't talk to me about a snicker bar!
|
| If you gonna splurge, have some taste and eat real good quality
| food.. not junk.. ooooffaaaaahhhh
| Will~
|
|
| "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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|| "Maddy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|| news:[email hidden]...
|||
http://health.msn.com/dietfitness/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100167999&
||
|| After all that, he recommends low-fat milk. Sheesh.
||
|| With Fast Food places, this is a "just say no" moment.
||
|| I have not eaten at McDonalds, since 2003.
||
|| 190/156/160 -originally 320
|| BMI: 23.6

Mac and cheese = poison.

Don Klipstein wrote:
| In art. <[email hidden]>, Miaka Yuki
| wrote in part:
|
|| Not <eaten at McD's> since 1994 for me, since I got so majorly sick
|| from one, and got really bad service from another. This nation
|| needs more yakisoba and ramen houses.
|
| I would say other than that cheap ramen that is available for cheap
| at supermarkets and some dollar stores, at however many packets per
| dollar.
|
| Not only do they have the high-salt "flavor packet" that a lot of
| cheap packaged foods have, but they also have added fat - last time I
| checked (it's been a few years) partially hydrogenated vegetable oil,
| the main source of trans fats.
|
| If you need cheap starchy food, I say go for macaroni and cheese.
| But reduce the margarine by about 70%, and not only that but also
| replace it with some mixture of olive oil and "less-unhealthy"
| version of buttery semi-liquid "spread" such as the version of "I
| Can't Believe It's Not Butter" in a squeeze bottle. Also toss half
| the flavor packet's content into the trash can or the toilet bowl due
| to very high salt content. If you want cheese flavor, use instead an
| ounce or so of shreded cheddar - that may allow you to toss 2/3 or
| 3/4 of the contents of the flavor packet.
|
| Mac-and-cheese often uses milk - make it skim.
|
| A minor warning - lower fat mac-and-cheese tends to have any
| leftovers gelling into something at least halfway into "astronaut
| food". For a quick repair, stir in a minimal amount of olive olive
| oil and a similar to somewhat larger amount of water, then reheat in
| a microwave.
|
| =============================================
|
| If you eat this significantly, better make any breakfast cereal you
| eat being something that is whole grain (which you should anyway). I
| eat quite my share of cheap store brand shredded wheat cereal. Since
| I ride bikes a lot for commuting, I burn off the sugar in the
| sugar-frosted version of that stuff which I eat. (My "day job" is
| delivering by bike, and that gives me more freedom to eat whatever I
| want). If you make sandwiches, use whole wheat bread. Note that
| "wheat bread" lacking the word "whole" is not the stuff with fiber
| content. If you eat rice, I recommend brown rice since it has some
| fiber content. I know it takes longer to cook, but there is brown
| "Minute Rice" and the like, which cooks in 5 minutes or so.
|
| One more thing - veggies! If you are on a cheap budget and
| home-cook meals, one goodie is the frozen bags of "mixed vegetables"
| (corn, small carrot cubes, "green beans", peas, and lima beans).
| That has fiber, various vitamins and antioxidants, and I don't know
| if anything less-documented that is good-for-you but I do feel better
| if I eat 2-3 pounds of this per week along with 1/4-1/2 pound of
| spinach per week and 1/2 to 1 pound of broccoli (preferably the
| "florets"😉 per week.
|
| I eat this, I drink skim milk, and beyond that I figure I can eat
| some fair amount of junkier stuff since I ride bikes about 200 miles
| per week. However, salt content gets to be a bit of an issue. Also I
| do try to some extent to keep down the intake of animal fats, palm
| and coconut oils and cocoa butter (the main fat in chocolate candy
| and "white chocolate"😉, hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated oils,
| french fries, sausages,
| and salami and bologna and "loaf" meats, and non-skim cheese.
| I also largely avoid mayo - high calorie density from fat content,
| even though the fat content in mayo is usually from a
| not-so-unhealthy oil such as unhydrogenated soybean oil.
|
| - Don Klipstein ([email hidden])

I'm no low carber.. moderation in all things.. carbs... fats... portions..

I do have fat every day. Healthy fats.. as I have carbs everyday, complex
carbs..

I've lost over 70 lbs and have been maintaining the loss for over 4 years
now..

Will~

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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If you are a low carber fat is not a treat, it's a daily intake.

Willow Herself wrote:
| I'm all for "enjoy yourself" and "A treat is great as long as it
| remains a treat (as in occasional)". I also advocate strongly the
| idea that if you want to make a "lifestyle change" you need to give
| yourself some leeway...
|
| BUT
|
| If I feel like I need to splurge, if I think I want a treat, I'll
| head to a great restaurant, and eat good quality food that is a
| little fattier than what I would normally eat. I'll be darned if I
| waste my occasional "treat" on a McDonald meal.. eeeeeeeeeew or any
| other places like that.
|
| If I crave a burger, and judge that I think I can have a burger
| considering how I've been doing lately, I'll MAKE MYSELF a burger..
| it's going to be tasty with freshly mixed meat, fresh veggies and
| the condiments that I like. Same with sweet.. If I want chocolate,
| I'll have Godiva, Ghirardelli... don't talk to me about a snicker bar!
|
| If you gonna splurge, have some taste and eat real good quality
| food.. not junk.. ooooffaaaaahhhh
| Will~
|
|
| "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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|| "Maddy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|| news:[email hidden]...
|||
http://health.msn.com/dietfitness/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100167999&
||
|| After all that, he recommends low-fat milk. Sheesh.
||
|| With Fast Food places, this is a "just say no" moment.
||
|| I have not eaten at McDonalds, since 2003.
||
|| 190/156/160 -originally 320
|| BMI: 23.6

don't agree at all, only too much is poison, Lee,... who could give you a
great product review of Mac and cheese individual portions!!!
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Mac and cheese = poison.

Don Klipstein wrote:
| In art. <[email hidden]>, Miaka Yuki
| wrote in part:
|
|| Not <eaten at McD's> since 1994 for me, since I got so majorly sick
|| from one, and got really bad service from another. This nation
|| needs more yakisoba and ramen houses.
|
| I would say other than that cheap ramen that is available for cheap
| at supermarkets and some dollar stores, at however many packets per
| dollar.
|
| Not only do they have the high-salt "flavor packet" that a lot of
| cheap packaged foods have, but they also have added fat - last time I
| checked (it's been a few years) partially hydrogenated vegetable oil,
| the main source of trans fats.
|
| If you need cheap starchy food, I say go for macaroni and cheese.
| But reduce the margarine by about 70%, and not only that but also
| replace it with some mixture of olive oil and "less-unhealthy"
| version of buttery semi-liquid "spread" such as the version of "I
| Can't Believe It's Not Butter" in a squeeze bottle. Also toss half
| the flavor packet's content into the trash can or the toilet bowl due
| to very high salt content. If you want cheese flavor, use instead an
| ounce or so of shreded cheddar - that may allow you to toss 2/3 or
| 3/4 of the contents of the flavor packet.
|
| Mac-and-cheese often uses milk - make it skim.
|
| A minor warning - lower fat mac-and-cheese tends to have any
| leftovers gelling into something at least halfway into "astronaut
| food". For a quick repair, stir in a minimal amount of olive olive
| oil and a similar to somewhat larger amount of water, then reheat in
| a microwave.
|
| =============================================
|
| If you eat this significantly, better make any breakfast cereal you
| eat being something that is whole grain (which you should anyway). I
| eat quite my share of cheap store brand shredded wheat cereal. Since
| I ride bikes a lot for commuting, I burn off the sugar in the
| sugar-frosted version of that stuff which I eat. (My "day job" is
| delivering by bike, and that gives me more freedom to eat whatever I
| want). If you make sandwiches, use whole wheat bread. Note that
| "wheat bread" lacking the word "whole" is not the stuff with fiber
| content. If you eat rice, I recommend brown rice since it has some
| fiber content. I know it takes longer to cook, but there is brown
| "Minute Rice" and the like, which cooks in 5 minutes or so.
|
| One more thing - veggies! If you are on a cheap budget and
| home-cook meals, one goodie is the frozen bags of "mixed vegetables"
| (corn, small carrot cubes, "green beans", peas, and lima beans).
| That has fiber, various vitamins and antioxidants, and I don't know
| if anything less-documented that is good-for-you but I do feel better
| if I eat 2-3 pounds of this per week along with 1/4-1/2 pound of
| spinach per week and 1/2 to 1 pound of broccoli (preferably the
| "florets"😉 per week.
|
| I eat this, I drink skim milk, and beyond that I figure I can eat
| some fair amount of junkier stuff since I ride bikes about 200 miles
| per week. However, salt content gets to be a bit of an issue. Also I
| do try to some extent to keep down the intake of animal fats, palm
| and coconut oils and cocoa butter (the main fat in chocolate candy
| and "white chocolate"😉, hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated oils,
| french fries, sausages,
| and salami and bologna and "loaf" meats, and non-skim cheese.
| I also largely avoid mayo - high calorie density from fat content,
| even though the fat content in mayo is usually from a
| not-so-unhealthy oil such as unhydrogenated soybean oil.
|
| - Don Klipstein ([email hidden])

Willow Herself said:

I've lost over 70 lbs and have been maintaining the loss for over 4
years now..

You are slowly killing yourself. Eat as much of anything that you want
and let your body find its right weight. You will be far healthier in
the end. It might take years to do all the damage done to your body
from dieting.

Dieting is deadly.

--

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Willow Herself said:

I've lost over 70 lbs and have been maintaining the loss for over 4
years now..

You are slowly killing yourself. Eat as much of anything that you want
and let your body find its right weight. You will be far healthier in
the end. It might take years to do all the damage done to your body
from dieting.

Hmmm....interesting. I've lost 90 pounds and have maintained it for over a
year now, and I feel much better than I did before I lost the weight. I
think my body likes being this weight. I never dieted--I just cut out all
the unhealthy habits I had formed, and chose a healthy lifestyle. Just ran
the first 5K of the season. (Actually, I walked) It was so much fun--lots
of people to chat with. I could never have done that had I still been the
weight I was before. "Dieting" may be deadly, but making healthy choices
surely isn't.

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Dieting is deadly.

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Willow Herself said:

I've lost over 70 lbs and have been maintaining the loss for over 4
years now..

You are slowly killing yourself. Eat as much of anything that you want
and let your body find its right weight. You will be far healthier in
the end. It might take years to do all the damage done to your body
from dieting.

Hmmm....interesting. I've lost 90 pounds and have maintained it for over
a year now, and I feel much better than I did before I lost the weight. I
think my body likes being this weight. I never dieted--I just cut out all
the unhealthy habits I had formed, and chose a healthy lifestyle. Just
ran the first 5K of the season. (Actually, I walked) It was so much
fun--lots of people to chat with. I could never have done that had I
still been the weight I was before. "Dieting" may be deadly, but making
healthy choices surely isn't.

I forgot to add--my blood pressure was at 200/100. That was the highest
reading--it probably ran 185/90 or 95 most of the time. Now it's at
117/68--a much healthier place to be.

"Real BBW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Willow Herself said:

I've lost over 70 lbs and have been maintaining the loss for over 4
years now..

You are slowly killing yourself. Eat as much of anything that you want
and let your body find its right weight. You will be far healthier in
the end. It might take years to do all the damage done to your body
from dieting.

Dieting is deadly.

--

You're right,

Eating that delicious teriaki salmon with a Spicy Barley Pilaf and grilled
asparagus, with a 16 oz home made strawberry and cantaloup smoothie made
with Greek yogurt (try it, seriously... pure creamy yumminess!!!)with a tiny
bit of vanilla is going to kill me.. how dare I restrict myself to such...
huh... yummy foods?

I don't do diets.. I just take time to enjoy real food..

Tonight, a beef curry with bulghur and most probably some kind of Dals.

Will~

Willow Herself said:

Eating that delicious teriaki salmon with a Spicy Barley Pilaf and grilled
asparagus, with a 16 oz home made strawberry and cantaloup smoothie made
with Greek yogurt...

The Teriaki salmon sounds good, the rest of it sounds gross... Barley
Pilaf? Asparagus? Oh gross, I almost puked right then. Then the
smoothie made with greek yogurt? I need a Cherry Coke just to wash the
taste out of my mouth, AND I DIDN'T EVEN EAT ANY OF THAT!

"Don Klipstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In art. <[email hidden]>, Miaka Yuki wrote
in part:

Quoted message said:

Not <eaten at McD's> since 1994 for me, since I got so majorly sick from
one, and got really bad service from another. This nation needs more
yakisoba and ramen houses.

I would say other than that cheap ramen that is available for cheap at
supermarkets and some dollar stores, at however many packets per dollar.

I was talking about the kind where they roll out the noodles by hand and
serve it up with seafood and vegetables, not that Maruchan [censored] you find at
Wal-Mart for 16 cents a pack.

Michael Lewis said:

Willow Herself said:

Eating that delicious teriaki salmon with a Spicy Barley Pilaf and grilled
asparagus, with a 16 oz home made strawberry and cantaloup smoothie made
with Greek yogurt...

The Teriaki salmon sounds good, the rest of it sounds gross... Barley
Pilaf? Asparagus? Oh gross, I almost puked right then. Then the
smoothie made with greek yogurt? I need a Cherry Coke just to wash the
taste out of my mouth, AND I DIDN'T EVEN EAT ANY OF THAT!

No your wrong, grilled fresh asparagus is quit good. What made me sick
was the cantaloup smoothie. Anything with cantaloup is just wrong.

Ragnar

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You're right,

Eating that delicious teriaki salmon with a Spicy Barley Pilaf and grilled
asparagus, with a 16 oz home made strawberry and cantaloup smoothie made
with Greek yogurt (try it, seriously... pure creamy yumminess!!!)with a
tiny bit of vanilla is going to kill me.. how dare I restrict myself to
such... huh... yummy foods?

I don't do diets.. I just take time to enjoy real food..

Tonight, a beef curry with bulghur and most probably some kind of Dals.

Will~

I just purchased a PS3, and at least 3 DDR games. In the summer heat, it
can get deadly to ride and run around here in Florida, but all those lakes
and video games like DDR make a great alternative. After all, dancing is
exercise, too. You just don't realise it when you are having so much fun.
It's all about the music.

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Quoted message said:

Eating that delicious teriaki salmon with a Spicy Barley Pilaf and
grilled
asparagus, with a 16 oz home made strawberry and cantaloup smoothie made
with Greek yogurt...

The Teriaki salmon sounds good, the rest of it sounds gross... Barley
Pilaf? Asparagus? Oh gross, I almost puked right then. Then the
smoothie made with greek yogurt? I need a Cherry Coke just to wash the
taste out of my mouth, AND I DIDN'T EVEN EAT ANY OF THAT!

I think I'd like to try some of Willow's recipes. It sounds very Cretan.
Crete has the lowest amount of deaths in the world due to heart disease, and
they've been using the same diet for over 3000 years or more. When you have
exotic tastes and an adventurous palate, all the world's cuisine is your
champagne and oysters.
Sadly, most of our holiday dishes and more fattening entrees are based on
English recipes. With a country as diverse as the US, you think we would be
able to break from that Colonial way of cooking.

Oh my... it so sad to be so close minded... the things you are missing..
Enjoy your Cherry coke!
Will~

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Willow Herself said:

Eating that delicious teriaki salmon with a Spicy Barley Pilaf and
grilled
asparagus, with a 16 oz home made strawberry and cantaloup smoothie made
with Greek yogurt...

The Teriaki salmon sounds good, the rest of it sounds gross... Barley
Pilaf? Asparagus? Oh gross, I almost puked right then. Then the
smoothie made with greek yogurt? I need a Cherry Coke just to wash the
taste out of my mouth, AND I DIDN'T EVEN EAT ANY OF THAT!

Willow Herself said:

Oh my... it so sad to be so close minded... the things you are missing..
Enjoy your Cherry coke!
Will~

Ever tried a deep fried twinkie? Neither have I, but I hear they are all
the rage at the state fair. Why don't you try one? Or are you closed
minded? And before you ask, yes I am being a smart @$$, because it works
both ways Willow.

"Willow Herself" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Oh my... it so sad to be so close minded... the things you are missing..
Enjoy your Cherry coke!
Will~

Goodness, go try something new! Want rich satisfying food, go for French or
Italian. Something healthy, Japanese, Greek, or Lebanese. Some exotic and
full of flavour, try, East Indian, Cuban or Jamaican, or even Cajun. Want
to wallow in something totally for the carnivore, try Brazilian. There's a
whole world of healthy and exotic dishes out there. Put down that burger
and try a souvlaki (mistakenly called a gyro here in the states). The mix
of tomotoes and cucumbers is worth it.
And if you must have fried foods, make sure they are fried in extra virgin
olive oil. So good for your skin. It's all I use, with the exception of
sesame.
Not close-minded here. let's trade recipes, Willow