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Death by Medicine, Part I

[ Part I, Ref. I, Part II, Ref. II, Appendix ] Next >>

By Gary Null PhD, Carolyn Dean MD ND, Martin Feldman MD, Debora Rasio MD, Dorothy Smith PhD

mercola.comdeath by medicine.htmOpen ↗

Never before have the complete statistics on the multiple causes of iatrogenesis been combined in
one paper. Medical science amasses tens of thousands of papers annually--each one a tiny fragment
of the whole

picture.

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To look at only one piece and try to understand the benefits and risks is

to

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stand one inch away from an elephant and describe everything about it. You have to pull back to
reveal the complete picture, such as we have done

here.

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Each specialty, each division of medicine, keeps their own records and

data

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on morbidity and mortality like pieces of a puzzle. But the numbers and statistics were always
hiding in plain sight. We have now completed the painstaking work of reviewing thousands and
thousands of studies. Finally putting the puzzle together we came up with some disturbing answers.
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Depressing! Would any current membersof the healthcare profession care to refute any

of

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the implications of this well referenced paper? I badly need some encouragement. Thanks. MikeV

This is probably a better indexed version: garynull.comArticle.aspxOpen ↗
iatrogenic/deathbymedicine/deathbymedicine1.htm

MikeV

Once upon a time, our fellow Mike V rambled on about "American Health Care Anyone?." Our champion
De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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Would any current membersof the healthcare profession care to refute any of the implications of
this well referenced paper?

I ain't no professional, but that "well referenced paper" was itself very poorly referenced. 🙁

No such paper exists in Medline under the title: "Death by Medicine." Gee, I wonder why?

The middle initial of the authors were *not* provided, so that you couldn't locate any such paper
under their full names. Gee, I wonder why?

And, a combined search under the first three names provided turned up Zip! Gee, I wonder why?

Doing a Google News search on "Death by Medicine" turns up only the Mercola, Illinois - Nov 25, 2003
articles. Gee, I wonder why?

Doing a Google Web search on "Death by Medicine" turns up:

Death by Medicine Gary Null PhD, Carolyn Dean MD ND, Martin Feldman MD Debora Rasio MD, Dorothy
Smith PhD Nutrition Institute of America, Inc. (NIA, Inc.) October 2003

nutritioninstituteofamerica.orgnutritioninstituteofamerica.orgOpen ↗ "Nutrition Institute of America, Inc. ("NIA"😉, is a New
York not-for-profit corporation that was founded in 1975 by health and nutrition expert Gary Null,
Ph.D., for humanitarian and philanthropic purposes."

Gee, you mean that the same Gary Null, lead author of this research, who runs a national radio talk
show network, who probably bought both his degree from a diploma mill as well as this research
paper, published this one-and-only one pieces of research on his own web site?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

And, do you mean that this same Gary is selling the rights to publish his paper to all the Quacks in
the land with enough money to pay him?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Could Gary possibly be motivated by making money off of your emotions?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

The Quack-Files geocities.comdeath by medicine.htmlOpen ↗ "Death by Medicine Does
American medicine "cause more harm than good"?

As part of an interesting discussion of a misleading article series on Mercola's website, Dr.
Harriet Hall wrote the following: ... Null: quackwatch.orgnull.htmlOpen ↗
"Gary Null..... is one of the nation's leading promoters of dubious treatment for serious disease."
Dubious promotions, Dubious credentials, Dubious Products.

Dean: canoe.ca24 dean can.htmlOpen ↗ "Dr. Carolyn Dean was defrocked in 1995
because of "disgraceful, dishonourable and unprofessional conduct," according to a College of
Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario (CPSO) document."

Mercola: mercola.comindex.htmOpen ↗ I consider Mercola (an osteopath, not an MD), and his website
to be among the most insidious purveyors of medical misinformation on the internet. Some of his
advice, such as anti-vaccination sentiments, can cause the needless deaths of many people."
==============

My conclusion is that this research is a piece of [censored]. It don't read like the full text of one of
those JAMA citations cited does. Or, for that matter it don't read like any normal piece of
research does.

As the saying goes, you cannot fight city hall. I suggest that you find something some more
constructive to do ... like working out. And, stop whining so much.

If you are running a web site, you might be able to do something with the references provided.

But, I see absolutely no reason to get worked up *NOW* over the conclusions of this research which
are quite frankly common knowledge about how the health care system operates.

I wouldn't say that "Mercola ... [is] among the most insidious purveyors of medical misinformation,"
but Mercola a few years back tried to personally CON me out of my mailing lists in one of his
website cross-linking scams.

I would say that Mercola is 100% motivated by money.

So, I ask you. Which is worst ... the disease ... or the cure offered by SCAMers like Mercola and
Gary Null?

All, that Mercola is selling is dependency upon who else but Mercola.

The final determination of what is best for the patient is both the right and responsibility of the
individual patient.
--
John Gohde, Patient Empowerment Advocate home.naturalhealthperspective.comempowerment.htmlOpen ↗
Email: [email hidden] www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com - Pioneering
De-Medicalization by handing back the power to the people, encouraging self care and autonomy, and
resisting the categorization of life's problems as medical.

"Mike V" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Death by Medicine, Part I

[ Part I, Ref. I, Part II, Ref. II, Appendix ] Next >>

By Gary Null PhD, Carolyn Dean MD ND, Martin Feldman MD, Debora Rasio MD, Dorothy Smith PhD

mercola.comdeath by medicine.htmOpen ↗

Never before have the complete statistics on the multiple causes of iatrogenesis been combined in
one paper. Medical science amasses tens of thousands of papers annually--each one a tiny fragment
of the whole

picture.

Quoted message said:

To look at only one piece and try to understand the benefits and risks is

to

Quoted message said:

stand one inch away from an elephant and describe everything about it. You have to pull back to
reveal the complete picture, such as we have done

here.

Quoted message said:

Each specialty, each division of medicine, keeps their own records and

data

Quoted message said:

on morbidity and mortality like pieces of a puzzle. But the numbers and statistics were always
hiding in plain sight. We have now completed the painstaking work of reviewing thousands and
thousands of studies. Finally putting the puzzle together we came up with some disturbing answers.
***********
Depressing! Would any current membersof the healthcare profession care to refute any

of

Quoted message said:

the implications of this well referenced paper? I badly need some encouragement. Thanks. MikeV

I guess the anwser is to stay away from medicine and listen to people who hang dead chickens without
their heads over your doorway. No one can claim they practice medicine so that is good right? Thanks
for the useful information.

Once upon a time, our fellow Robert rambled on about "Re: American Health Care Anyone?." Our
champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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I guess the anwser is to stay away from medicine

YES

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and listen to people who hang dead chickens without their heads over your doorway.

NO

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No one can claim they practice medicine so that is good right?

Huh?

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Thanks for the useful information.

Actually, the dude was asking a question.

I guess, with your superior intellect, that little detail went over your head?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!