snipped > VeloNews: As I understand it you were taking EPO, found out you had a much higher hematocrit than expected and went on a blood thinner to attempt to avoid the risk of a blood clot or other complication resulting from high hematocrit. Exactly how high did your hematocrit go?
Joe Papp: 58
VN: Did anyone suggest the blood thinner to you such as a medically- trained person?
JP: It was suggested to me by my team director, who was not medically- trained.
"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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Who was Joe Papp's recent Team Director? Was it Joe Sailing, part of the NJ "cycling mafia" as we called them.
JP: It was suggested to me by my team director, who was not medically- trained.
Well, I know that I would jump at the chance of taking dangerous drugs if it was suggested by a nobody without the slightest medical training. This is ALL on Joe Papp and no one else.
Who was Joe Papp's recent Team Director? Was it Joe Sailing, part of the NJ "cycling mafia" as we called them.
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JP: It was suggested to me by my team director, who was not medically- trained.
Well, I know that I would jump at the chance of taking dangerous drugs if it was suggested by a nobody without the slightest medical training. This is ALL on Joe Papp and no one else.
No [censored] Sherlock, but someone else was involved. e.g. someone else participated. He allowed it but ... Obviously
"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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Who was Joe Papp's recent Team Director? Was it Joe Sailing, part of the NJ "cycling mafia" as we called them.
JP: It was suggested to me by my team director, who was not medically- trained.
Well, I know that I would jump at the chance of taking dangerous drugs if it was suggested by a nobody without the slightest medical training. This is ALL on Joe Papp and no one else.
1) Joe Papp is fundamentally responsible for what goes into his body with his knowledge.
2) If someone else is encouraging Joe to put something into his body, and that someone else should know better (in this case, they ought to have known that they had no clue and were risking Joe's life), then they have moral culpability. The fact that in this case, consequences were dodged shouldn't mitigate that culpability, though for very good reasons it changes their legal culpability.
Blind men ought not to advertise themselves as sight-guides for the visually impaired,
-- Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/ "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
"Joe Papp Accepting Coaching Clients Added: 2007-08-29 15:35:46 Work with a USA Cycling-licensed elite coach who will help you reach your cycling goals, and encourage you to do so cleanly!"
What is it with all these people becoming 'coaches'? You got guys who didn't win [censored] as Cat 3's getting paid to tell people how reach their cycling goals?
What's the coach : racer ratio these days?
And what's worse ... all these people pretending to be coaches, or that people pay them?
What is it with all these people becoming 'coaches'? You got guys who didn't win [censored] as Cat 3's getting paid to tell people how reach their cycling goals?
So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?
On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>
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So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?
I think ability doesn't make one a good coach, but being a good coach requires some ability. (that seems to hold for other sports as well). Certainly there are exceptions ... but I wouldn't give money to someone who couldn't move out of the middle ranks of amateur cycling.
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On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>
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So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?
I think ability doesn't make one a good coach, but being a good coach requires some ability. (that seems to hold for other sports as well). Certainly there are exceptions ... but I wouldn't give money to someone who couldn't move out of the middle ranks of amateur cycling.
On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]> wrote:
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Quoted message said:
So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?
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I think ability doesn't make one a good coach, but being a good coach requires some ability. (that seems to hold for other sports as well). Certainly there are exceptions ... but I wouldn't give money to someone who couldn't move out of the middle ranks of amateur cycling.
well we all know we could coach better than our favorite team's coach did last Sunday.
in any event ... a quick Wikipedia check of current NFL coaches showed that they all (not 100% sure of Detroit) played college ball or higher.
So if ~100% of all NFL coaches are ex-players and ~90% of all players are not white but ~98% of coaches are... statistics obviously show Joe Papp is an excellent coaching candidate in the equal opportunity melting pot known as America. Speaking of Detroit Lions football coaches... anyone ever go through a drive through naked?
On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>
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So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?
I think ability doesn't make one a good coach, but being a good coach requires some ability. (that seems to hold for other sports as well). Certainly there are exceptions ... but I wouldn't give money to someone who couldn't move out of the middle ranks of amateur cycling.
The great coaches did not play the game at high levels. Scotty Bowman, Casey Stengal, Tom Landry to name but a few.
On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated?
I think ability doesn't make one a good coach, but being a good coach requires some ability. (that seems to hold for other sports as well). Certainly there are exceptions ... but I wouldn't give money to someone who couldn't move out of the middle ranks of amateur cycling.
The great coaches did not play the game at high levels. Scotty Bowman, Casey Stengal, Tom Landry to name but a few.
"Joe Papp Accepting Coaching Clients Added: 2007-08-29 15:35:46 Work with a USA Cycling-licensed elite coach who will help you reach your cycling goals, and encourage you to do so cleanly!"
What is it with all these people becoming 'coaches'? You got guys who didn't win [censored] as Cat 3's getting paid to tell people how reach their cycling goals?
What's the coach : racer ratio these days?
And what's worse ... all these people pretending to be coaches, or that people pay them?
Think Golf as the model. Golf pro's mostly coach, compete enough for cred and experience, but mostly they coach.
That seems to be what's evolving in the US for cycling. That's going to be the next essential accessory for all fatty masters, a coach. Unless I'm out of the loop and all the other fatty masters already have them.
On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]> wrote: > So you think cycling and coaching ability are correlated? I think ability doesn't make one a good coach, but being a good coach requires some ability. (that seems to hold for other sports as well). Certainly there are exceptions ... but I wouldn't give money to someone who couldn't move out of the middle ranks of amateur cycling.
The great coaches did not play the game at high levels. Scotty Bowman, Casey Stengal, Tom Landry to name but a few.
Landry was an excellent pro defensive back.
Stengal played 14 seasons of MLB as an outfielder.
