Super Record BB Options Please Help

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e Phil Wood bottom bracket? Is it possible to just replace the cups or is the spindle different
between the two versions? Should I spend the next month on eBay looking for a good used Super
Record BB? Are there other Campagnolo bottom brackets that fit these cranks. I searched the
archives and now I am even more confused. It seems that at some point Super Record cranks started
utilizing asymmetrical bottom brackets. Help.....

So many questions. Super Record BBs were always asymmetrical. You don't want an SR BB anyway. A
regular NR or Record will be fine. Your Italian spindle will be 2mm too wide but that's not a big
thing. Don't use a pista spindle-indentified by the -P- in the middle- unless you file the shoulders
of the crank. Just mix and match until you get the right chain line. I'm using Shimano cups and a
Campy pista spindle in mine-works fine. Phil Brown

boxboy-<< I am putting together a Fixed Gear bike and I have everything except the bottom bracket. I
am planning on using my old but beautiful super record cranks that I purchase new in 1985 or 86. The
bottom bracket that I have is Italian thread and I need a English threaded version. Are there any
modern options besides an expensive Phil Wood bottom bracket? >><BR><BR>

Not really. Since it is not symmetric, a Campagnolo AC-H will have the right crank arm hitting the
right chainstay.

Not possible to replace the cups as the center section, between the bearing races of the spindle,
are different eng-ITL.

Look for a used one on Ebay. If taken care of, these last forever-

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Ron Johnson said:

I am putting together a Fixed Gear bike and I have everything except the bottom bracket. I am
planning on using my old but beautiful super record cranks that I purchase new in 1985 or 86. The
bottom bracket that I have is Italian thread and I need a English threaded version. Are there any
modern options besides an expensive Phil Wood bottom bracket? Is it possible to just replace the
cups or is the spindle different between the two versions? Should I spend the next month on eBay
looking for a good used Super Record BB? Are there other Campagnolo bottom brackets that fit these
cranks. I searched the archives and now I am even more confused. It seems that at some point Super
Record cranks started utilizing asymmetrical bottom brackets. Help.....

Although there were Super Record (titanium) crank bearing assemblies, the more popular format was
"Super Record Reduced" , supplied with a regular 1046a Nuovo Record BB. All systems for the Record,
Nuovo Record and Super Record are asymmetric spindles.

Your 1046a will have the thicker cups with 'exclusion grooves' cut into the lip where the spindle
passes through and your spindle should be marked '70-SS'. By using the thinner Record or more
available Gran Sport cups ( thin ones can be identified by the lack of those spiral cuts in the
side) and by reversing your spindle so the short side is on the right, you should be able to get
great chainline with a single ring on that crank.

Use plenty of grease, a fresh pair of Campagnolo retainers ( or loose grade 25 balls) and do reuse
the plastic liner which fits between the cups to keep the bearings clean.

There are plenty of change gears available for your 144mm crank in the intermediate ( 44, 46, 48)
single-speed range.

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29 Nov 2003 18:49:41 -0600 A Muzi said:

Although there were Super Record (titanium) crank bearing assemblies, the more popular format was
"Super Record Reduced" , supplied with a regular 1046a Nuovo Record BB. All systems for the Record,
Nuovo Record and Super Record are asymmetric spindles.

Good, that's the way I remember it, too.

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Your 1046a will have the thicker cups with 'exclusion grooves' cut into the lip where the spindle
passes through and your spindle should be marked '70-SS'. By using the thinner Record or more
available Gran Sport cups ( thin ones can be identified by the lack of those spiral cuts in the
side) and by reversing your spindle so the short side is on the right, you should be able to get
great chainline with a single ring on that crank.

The ones I'm familiar with said 70-SS-120 or 68-SS-120.

If you tried to use Record or Gran Sport cups with a Nuovo Record spindle, wouldn't the adj cup just
end up screwed all the way inside the BB?

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Jim Adney [email hidden] Madison, WI 53711 USA
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_snip I have a ITA BB and a BSC frame-

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29 Nov 2003 18:49:41 -0600 A Muzi said:

Although there were Super Record (titanium) crank bearing assemblies, the more popular format was
"Super Record Reduced" , supplied with a regular 1046a Nuovo Record BB. All systems for the
Record, Nuovo Record and Super Record are asymmetric spindles.

Jim Adney said:

Good, that's the way I remember it, too.

(am)>>Your 1046a will have the thicker cups with 'exclusion

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grooves' cut into the lip where the spindle passes through and your spindle should be marked
'70-SS'. By using the thinner Record or more available Gran Sport cups ( thin ones can be
identified by the lack of those spiral cuts in the side) and by reversing your spindle so the
short side is on the right, you should be able to get great chainline with a single ring on
that crank.

(ja)> The ones I'm familiar with said 70-SS-120 or 68-SS-120.

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If you tried to use Record or Gran Sport cups with a Nuovo Record spindle, wouldn't the adj cup
just end up screwed all the way inside the BB?

Yes, you're right - _if_ you had a 68-SS spindle in a 68m frame.

This guy's specific problem is a 68mm frame with a wider 70mm spindle - should be OK with
skinny cups.

(ps - No year was mentioned so I wouldn't know whether his spindle would say 70-SS-120 or 70-SS-126
so I just left off the end part and left is at 70-SS)
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