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  1. The following is from Hal Higdon's half-marathon training plan for
    beginners, which is the plan that I'm following (with a few
    modifications):

    "Walking: Walking is an excellent exercise that a lot of runners
    overlook in their training. I don't specify walking breaks, but feel
    free to walk during your running workouts any time you feel tired or
    need to shift gears. When you go to the starting line in your twelfth
    week, nobody will care whether you run the full Half Marathon; they're
    more concerned that you finish! If this means walking every step in
    practice and in the race, do it! Be aware that I also offer a separate
    half marathon training program for those who plan to walk all the way."

    --
    Crossing the starting line is 90%.
    Crossing the finish line is the other 90%.

  2. Michelle said:

    The following is from Hal Higdon's half-marathon training plan for
    beginners, which is the plan that I'm following (with a few
    modifications):

    "Walking: Walking is an excellent exercise that a lot of runners
    overlook in their training. I don't specify walking breaks, but feel
    free to walk during your running workouts any time you feel tired or
    need to shift gears. When you go to the starting line in your twelfth
    week, nobody will care whether you run the full Half Marathon; they're
    more concerned that you finish! If this means walking every step in
    practice and in the race, do it! Be aware that I also offer a separate
    half marathon training program for those who plan to walk all the way."


    Doesn't change a GD thing. If a person has to walk, OK. Then at that
    point it becomes a walking program. That's fairly obvious. When you
    walk, that's a walking program, not that there's anything wrong with
    it. It's just too easy to say you are tired today and walk. The
    training effect is clearly not equal to running. If that's all a
    person can muster, then do it and move on, but don't deceive yourself
    into thinking you are running.

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Al Bundy said:

    Doesn't change a GD thing. If a person has to walk, OK. Then at that
    point it becomes a walking program. That's fairly obvious. When you
    walk, that's a walking program,

    If all you do is walk, it's a walking program.

    If I run one mile, walk one minute, and repeat that five times, I have
    run five miles, and walked about a fifth of a mile. If I repeat it 13
    times, I will have run almost a complete half marathon.

    You can say otherwise, but you will be wrong.

    --
    Crossing the starting line is 90%.
    Crossing the finish line is the other 90%.

  4. "Al Bundy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Doesn't change a GD thing. If a person has to walk, OK. Then at that
    point it becomes a walking program. That's fairly obvious. When you
    walk, that's a walking program, not that there's anything wrong with
    it. It's just too easy to say you are tired today and walk. The
    training effect is clearly not equal to running. If that's all a
    person can muster, then do it and move on, but don't deceive yourself
    into thinking you are running.

    Big Al, your knuckles are dragging on the ground and maybe your
    testicles. So according to you if someone has to walk a step in training
    or running you are a walker?

    Yo Dan, he's calling you and me a wussy!

    -DF

  5. On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:28:20 -0700, Michelle <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The following is from Hal Higdon's half-marathon training plan for
    beginners, which is the plan that I'm following (with a few
    modifications):

    "Walking: Walking is an excellent exercise that a lot of runners
    overlook in their training. I don't specify walking breaks, but feel
    free to walk during your running workouts any time you feel tired or
    need to shift gears. When you go to the starting line in your twelfth
    week, nobody will care whether you run the full Half Marathon; they're
    more concerned that you finish! If this means walking every step in
    practice and in the race, do it! Be aware that I also offer a separate
    half marathon training program for those who plan to walk all the way."

    The Higdon web pages have been reconfigured from the way they were a
    few years ago, so I couldn't find the quote just now, but in 2005 I
    printed out a paragraph from one of the training plans where he gave a
    description of the weekly "Long Run" where he said (I'm paraphrasing
    from memory), "Feel free to take walk breaks, or water breaks; pace is
    not important; finish the run without feeling totally drained; these
    runs should be enjoyable..." That advice has stayed with me.

    Enjoy,
    --
    Daniel ( [email hidden] )

  6. Michelle said:

    The following is from Hal Higdon's half-marathon training plan for
    beginners, which is the plan that I'm following (with a few
    modifications):

    "Walking: Walking is an excellent exercise

    Yes, it is.

    Quoted message said:

    that a lot of runners
    overlook in their training.

    Because they're runners, not walkers.

    Quoted message said:

    I don't specify walking breaks, but feel
    free to walk during your running workouts any time you feel tired or
    need to shift gears.

    That's fine, workouts shouldn't be strenuous.

    Quoted message said:

    When you go to the starting line in your twelfth
    week, nobody will care whether you run the full Half Marathon; they're
    more concerned that you finish!

    It shouldn't be about what the (often ill-informed) public think. Sure, most
    people think a 4hr marathon is better than a 4 minute mile. That doesn't
    make it so.

    Finishing a race is not an extraordinary achievement in itself. Not even
    a half marathon or marathon. Thousands do so on a weekly basis.

    Cheers,
    --
    Elflord

  7. Daniel said:

    The Higdon web pages have been reconfigured from the way they were a
    few years ago, so I couldn't find the quote just now, but in 2005 I
    printed out a paragraph from one of the training plans where he gave a
    description of the weekly "Long Run" where he said (I'm paraphrasing
    from memory), "Feel free to take walk breaks, or water breaks; pace is
    not important; finish the run without feeling totally drained; these
    runs should be enjoyable..." That advice has stayed with me.

    He's talking about long training runs, not races. Understanding the difference
    between training and racing is an important step towards both injury free
    training, and racing at your potential.

    Cheers,
    --
    Elflord

  8. Elflord said:

    Sure, most
    people think a 4hr marathon is better than a 4 minute mile. That doesn't
    make it so.

    Oh but it is so, isn't it? Just a fact.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Elflord said:

    Finishing a race is not an extraordinary achievement in itself. Not
    even a half marathon or marathon. Thousands do so on a weekly basis.

    But it is an achievement, nevertheless.

    --
    Crossing the starting line is 90%.
    Crossing the finish line is the other 90%.

  10. "Elflord" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Finishing a race is not an extraordinary achievement in itself. Not even
    a half marathon or marathon.

    For some people, a particular distance *is* an extraordinary achievement.
    Maybe it wouldn't impress *you*, but it can really impress the person who
    does it -- and hadn't thought before that s/he could, or had doubts, or had
    problems along the way (training or race day).
    bj

  11. "Elflord" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Finishing a race is not an extraordinary achievement in itself. Not
    even
    a half marathon or marathon. Thousands do so on a weekly basis.

    But let's be fair, one hell of lot more people never take a step so I
    think finishing with any combination of run, walk is an achievement
    especially for their first time at the distance with a bare bones
    schedule.

    -Doug

  12. Doug said:

    Yo Dan, he's calling you and me a wussy!

    I thought he was calling you and Dan two wussies. You think you're
    each only have a wussy? That's pretty low! ;-)

    I stopped and walked a few times throughout my run today (ought to
    write a report later). But my own wussitude comes as no surprise to
    anyone, I should think.

  13. Quoted message said:
    Doug said:

    Yo Dan, he's calling you and me a wussy!

    Pendejo said:

    I thought he was calling you and Dan two wussies. You think you're
    each only have a wussy? That's pretty low! ;-)

    Uh, "half a wussy".

    It'll come as quite the shock if I need to make that exact correction
    again any time in the future.

  14. In article <8RlDi.1472$h06.1190@trnddc03>,

    bj said:

    For some people, a particular distance *is* an extraordinary
    achievement. Maybe it wouldn't impress *you*, but it can really
    impress the person who does it -- and hadn't thought before that s/he
    could, or had doubts, or had problems along the way (training or race
    day).

    I'm sure that this is old hat to you all, but I'm still amazed at how
    many people say "I could never do that" when I tell them how far I ran
    on any given day--even back when it was only one mile.

    --
    Crossing the starting line is 90%.
    Crossing the finish line is the other 90%.

  15. bj said:

    "Elflord" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Finishing a race is not an extraordinary achievement in itself. Not even
    a half marathon or marathon.

    For some people, a particular distance *is* an extraordinary achievement.
    Maybe it wouldn't impress *you*, but it can really impress the person who
    does it -- and hadn't thought before that s/he could, or had doubts, or had
    problems along the way (training or race day).

    I do hope that the point of your post is to express your agreement with my view
    that it should not be about impressing others, and that you are not willfully
    misrepresenting my position.

    Cheers,
    --
    Elflord

  16. Michelle said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Al Bundy said:

    Doesn't change a GD thing. If a person has to walk, OK. Then at that
    point it becomes a walking program. That's fairly obvious. When you
    walk, that's a walking program,

    If all you do is walk, it's a walking program.

    If I run one mile, walk one minute, and repeat that five times, I have
    run five miles, and walked about a fifth of a mile. If I repeat it 13
    times, I will have run almost a complete half marathon.

    What makes two runners equal, or not, is not how fast they finish, or
    by what means of locomotion. It's mental toughness: the willingness to
    push it a little, to take a risk, to discover where the boundaries of
    the body and mind lie. Maybe not every time but at least sometimes.
    Certainly, nobody who considers himself or herself a runner will go
    through an entire training program deliberately planning to do less
    than best, come race day. Not doing your best is not planned, it's
    just something unfortunate that can happen.

    You could say that you have all that inner power inside you, and that
    your walk-run approach is how you claim the best possible place for
    yourself among the athletes. However, you can't make any rational
    argument to convince others. And by trying to convince others, you
    only make it seem as if you yourself are not convinced. If you were
    sure that you posess some virtue, you would remain silent, and not
    look for the approval of others by making it the subject of debate.

    The reason you can't make a rational argument to convince others is
    that the carefully measured walk-run approach cannot possibly be how
    someone runs his or her best possible race (in the inner sense, I do
    not mean by time). You do it in order that you have some certainty
    that you will complete the distance, something that you believe you
    cannot do by straight running. However, it's unlikely that the
    particular pattern of walk breaks you are following is the only
    possible way you could coax your body into completing that distance,
    that it's the toughest effort you can muster. You have no way of
    knowing, because those breaks are artificially timed. When you do
    finish, you will never know if you could have done it with fewer
    breaks. Or with shorter breaks. Or perhaps even no breaks at all. When
    you take that measured break, you know that you aren't switching to
    walking because you can no longer run. You're taking that preemptive
    break because you're too scared that a walk break--or worse, a full
    stop, or even an injury---will force itself upon you if you do keep
    running. You have two able legs which /can/ run, and which /can/ go
    the distance, but you aren't about to try. You are not rising to the
    challenge, but sparing yourself like a coward. Moreover, all training
    season, you planned it that way. And all of that makes you not equal
    to even the last person who completes the whole thing knowing that he
    or she gave it approximately everything, regardless of whether that
    person ran the whole way, limped, or crawled on his or her hands and
    knees to the finish.

    All the same, allow me to express gratitude for your financial
    contribution, which makes well-organized and electronically timed
    races possible.

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Kaz Kylheku said:

    Moreover, all training season, you planned it that way.

    Wrong; it's something I started to do about a third of the way through
    the training plan. And although I hope to eliminate the walk breaks
    (I'll be attempting four miles tomorrow without any walk breaks), I
    realize that I may not be able to complete the distance without them.

    Quoted message said:

    And all of that makes you not equal to even the last person who
    completes the whole thing knowing that he or she gave it
    approximately everything, regardless of whether that person ran the
    whole way, limped, or crawled on his or her hands and knees to the
    finish.

    Who the hell are you to say that if I have to take walk breaks that I
    wouldn't have given it my all?

    Quoted message said:

    All the same, allow me to express gratitude for your financial
    contribution, which makes well-organized and electronically timed
    races possible.

    How about taking your judgementalism and sarcasm and proctologically
    violating yourself with them, you sanctimonious ass?

    --
    Crossing the starting line is 90%.
    Crossing the finish line is the other 90%.

  18. Michelle said:

    ...
    Who the hell are you to say that if I have to take walk breaks that I
    wouldn't have given it my all?
    ...

    I thought Kaz's post was interesting (the sarcasm of the last line was
    a bit much though). I think what he was saying is that you DON'T have
    to take walk breaks. Try to see it as inspirational.

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,

    frank megaweege said:

    I thought Kaz's post was interesting (the sarcasm of the last line
    was a bit much though).

    It wasn't just the last line's sarcasm that was "a bit much".

    Quoted message said:

    I think what he was saying is that you DON'T have to take walk
    breaks.

    I didn't get that at all from his tirade.

    Quoted message said:

    Try to see it as inspirational.

    OK.

    <a few minutes later> I tried; I really tried, but the only thing it
    inspired in me was a revulsion of him.

    --
    Crossing the starting line is 90%.
    Crossing the finish line is the other 90%.

  20. Michelle said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    frank megaweege said:

    I thought Kaz's post was interesting (the sarcasm of the last line
    was a bit much though).

    It wasn't just the last line's sarcasm that was "a bit much".

    Quoted message said:

    I think what he was saying is that you DON'T have to take walk
    breaks.

    I didn't get that at all from his tirade.

    Quoted message said:

    Try to see it as inspirational.

    OK.

    <a few minutes later> I tried; I really tried, but the only thing it
    inspired in me was a revulsion of him.

    I don't have an opinion on planned walk breaks. It was the mental
    toughness and giving it your all stuff that caught my attention.
    Maybe it was just the right message at the right time for me. Lately
    I've been mentally lazy about running, and run a couple of races just
    for the "fun" of it, or so I told myself. But am I really happy
    finishing back there with all the gimps and yahoos? Nah, you get some
    atta boys and "I can't even run a mile!" from the clueless and that's
    not really very satisfying. I'll never be elite but I can do a hell
    of a lot better if I do the work.

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